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SteveCaruso

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[Staff edit].

Do you say halleluYeh, or do you say halleluYah?

The New Testament, itself, has "Yeshua" (Ἰησοῦς = /iesous/) and "Haleluyah" (ἀλληλούϊα = /allēlouia/).

Throughout the entire Biblical record, theophoric elements are well-recorded as /y(eh)o-/ as a prefix and /-ya(hu)/ as a suffix.

Ἰωάννης, Ἰησοῦς, Ιωσαφατ, Ιωας, etc... = /y(eh)o-/​

And yet:

Ἠσαΐας, Ἠλίας, Ἰερεμίας, etc... = /-ya(hu)/​

"Yah" is certainly used and not deleted in the New Testament. It is simply as a suffix – never as a prefix.

So, if it is – as you assert – that these are "Rabbinic corruptions to prevent God's name from being spoken," why is "Yah" as a suffix, untouched and still used all over the place? Your argument breaks down quickly at this point.

If your premise was correct, we'd be seeing Elijah's name as "Eliy(eh)o." This form does not occur even once. Yah is there for all to see, pronounce, and write.
 
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That's not what it says

There is no 'ayin in the Tetragram, nor would dropping 'ayins in any way prevent pronouncing the Tetragram.

This does not make any sense at all...

With all of this in mind, I respectfully request that – at this point – you do the honorable thing and confront the fact that you do not have the requisite understanding of the languages in question.
ישוע Yeshua
יְהוֹשֻׁעַ Yehoshua
 
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Looks to me like it has been done to death, and beyond. All possible views have been aired, unless you want battles in the same vein with other people.
I think you are right, the thread should be closed.
 
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A vowel between Yah and wah, and Yah shua, is one vowel to many. I pronounce the U in Yahshua with a W sound.
You pronounce it, but you don't translate the letter waw? How does that work grammatically? Please write the phonetic way you pronounce Yahshua and Yahwah.
 
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I admit that I didn't notice that this was a messianic type of group thread, but I will speak out against a false gospel wherever I encounter it. Jesus plus law equals false gospel, period. Mosaic law does not save you. You can't save you. Jesus saves. Jesus is God.

And gravity holds you down. That is self-evident.
As I said, we were you until we learned more.

Assume you are married if you are not.
Did you make vows to her, and do you
honor them? If so, why?

Why would you treat God any less?
 
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You pronounce it, but you don't translate the letter waw? How does that work grammatically? Please write the phonetic way you pronounce Yahshua and Yahwah.
Yah shoo wah. U=WU

Some words with a U have a double U sound. Before the use of the letter U, the shape V stood for both the vowel U and the consonant V.

History of that letter: Letter W Greek upsilon Y Hebrew uau waw
 
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Yah shoo wah. U=WU
That is what I thought. Therefore, you not only do not represent the waw with an English letter, but you do not even pronounce it. There is no waw in Yah shoo wah.

One more question to clarify your position. How do you spell Yahshua in Hebrew?
 
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And gravity holds you down. That is self-evident.
As I said, we were you until we learned more.

Assume you are married if you are not.
Did you make vows to her, and do you
honor them? If so, why?

Why would you treat God any less?
The mosaic law was a covenant between God the Father and the Isrealites. I'm not Jewish, neither myself nor my ancestors were under that law. Jesus saves. The apostle Paul is crystal clear on what the Jesus plus law gospel is; false and a form of slavery. Jesus was not crucified in vain.
 
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I admit that I didn't notice that this was a messianic type of group thread, but I will speak out against a false gospel wherever I encounter it. Jesus plus law equals false gospel, period. Mosaic law does not save you. You can't save you. Jesus saves. Jesus is God.
Did someone in this thread say we are saved by the Mosaic Law? If I missed that post, let me state how the Law relates to me. I am saved by grace through faith in Messiah Yeshua. Obedience to the Law is a fruit of my salvation, not the means to it. I would think most MJs view the Law similarly. Also, the true Gospel proclaims Yeshua is the Son of God, not God Himself. I have no desire to discuss either topic with you in this thread and thereby derail it. I am merely correcting your misunderstanding of those issues. Feel free to PM me if need be.
 
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Did someone in this thread say we are saved by the Mosaic Law? If I missed that post, let me state how the Law relates to me. I am saved by grace through faith in Messiah Yeshua. Obedience to the Law is a fruit of my salvation, not the means to it. I would think most MJs view the Law similarly. Also, the true Gospel proclaims Yeshua is the Son of God, not God Himself. I have no desire to discuss either topic with you in this thread and thereby derail it. I am merely correcting your misunderstanding of those issues. Feel free to PM me if need be.
1 John 2:22
Those who deny Jesus' deity are of the antichrist.

Hebrews 1:6
Why does God the Father command angels to WORSHIP Jesus?
 
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