What is God's name and His son's name?

[daq]

Yisra'El

It's interesting that you instinctively wrote this with an uppercase E to highlight the theophoric suffix El.
If you happened to be writing in Greek you would have written it as ΙσραΗλ, (or perhaps Ισρα·Ηλ).
If you counted it as a nomen sacrum the obvious form would have been Ι̅Η.

 

[AbbaLove]

It's interesting that you instinctively wrote this with an uppercase E to highlight the theophoric suffix El.
If you happened to be writing in Greek you would have written it as ΙσραΗλ, (or perhaps Ισρα·Ηλ).
If you counted it as a nomen sacrum the obvious form would have been Ι̅Η.

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i'm 1/2 Swedish plus some French, English, Irish, German, but most of all Messianic Christian which allows for more tolerance as well as less tolerance of the whole wide world of Believers (capitalized). Afterall we're all still a work in progress (at least me).

FWIW i prefer Bible translations with personal pronouns of Father/Son capitalized.

 

[daq]

FWIW i prefer Bible translations with personal pronouns of Father/Son capitalized.

Therefore I would strongly suggest that the best translations would have the simple transliteration YHWH for the Tetragrammaton because there is no justification for adding any vowels whatsoever.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

In later Jewish tradition, the vowel associated with the word "Adonai" was added to the middle consonants of the Tetragrammaton as a reminded to say Adonai in place of the name.

And yet none of that has any bearing on it...

 

[AKAE777]

And yet none of that has any bearing on it...

Modern Hebrew does not count.

 

[AbbaLove]

Therefore I would strongly suggest that the best translations would have the simple transliteration YHWH for the Tetragrammaton because there is no justification for adding any vowels whatsoever.

Come now daq - - you know "W" is not among the 22 classic Hebrew letters

Hebrew to English (more classically correct) transliteration of YaHVeH

(is it possible that daq is too accepting of the English version as an authority?)
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Note that Yahweh is most likely also an incorrect transliteration, since there is no "w" sound in classical Hebrew. Perhaps the preferred pronunciation would be "Yahoveh," since the morpheme YAH is undoubtedly correct for the first syllable with the inversion of the Masoretic nikkudot following ...​

Hebrew Accent Marks

General rules for Hebrew accent marks.

hebrew4christians.com

 

[daq]

Come now daq - - you know "W" is not among the 22 classic Hebrew letters

Hebrew to English (more classically correct) transliteration of YaHVeH

(is it possible that daq is too accepting of the English version as an authority?)
​

Note that Yahweh is most likely also an incorrect transliteration, since there is no "w" sound in classical Hebrew. Perhaps the preferred pronunciation would be "Yahoveh," since the morpheme YAH is undoubtedly correct for the first syllable with the inversion of the Masoretic nikkudot following ...​

Hebrew Accent Marks

General rules for Hebrew accent marks.

hebrew4christians.com

 

[AKAE777]

 

[AKAE777]

The Catholic church reaffirmed its view that translations should not attempt to transliterate the divine name. The Catholic Church believes that the divine name is too sacred to be spoken aloud, following the Jewish tradition of not pronouncing the tetragrammaton (YHWH).

In 2008, the Catholic church reaffirmed its view that translations and liturgical texts should not attempt to transliterate the divine name because using 'the Lord' (or equivalent) has been the church's tradition from the beginning and it preserves the mysterious holiness of God.

Yahuah is old English. Yahwah is modern English. Ancient Hebrew did not have an "e" vowel.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Modern Hebrew does not count.

I never said it did lol!

 

[AbbaLove]

Yahuah is old English. Yahwah is modern English. Ancient Hebrew did not have an "e" vowel.

Why even compare English when you're more into ancient Hebrew? Are you implying that the English language has seemingly replaced Hebrew within Christendom?

Modern Hebrew does not count.

Does that also hold true within today's Messianic Judaism or Orthodox Judaism ?

I never said it did lol!

It's doubtful the original Hebrew followers of the 'Way" would have disputed about the Hebrew pronunciation (e.g. Yah'shua, Ye'shua, etc) of their Lord and Savior as is evident in this thread

Did the Apostles know how ancient Hebrew words were pronounced? Afterall can't even a supposed correct spelling/pronunciation be for naught if one's heart(spirit) isn't right (sinful).

 

[AKAE777]

Why even compare English when you're more into ancient Hebrew? Are you implying that the English language has seemingly replaced Hebrew within Christendom?

Does that also hold true within today's Messianic Judaism or Orthodox Judaism ?

It's doubtful the original Hebrew followers of the 'Way" would have disputed about the Hebrew pronunciation (e.g. Yah'shua, Ye'shua, etc) of their Lord and Savior as is evident in this thread

Did the Apostles know how ancient Hebrew words were pronounced? Afterall can't even a supposed correct spelling/pronunciation be for naught if one's heart(spirit) isn't right (sinful).

There is (Translations) and there is (Interpretations.) Which do you prefer?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

It's doubtful the original Hebrew followers of the 'Way" would have disputed about the Hebrew pronunciation (e.g. Yah'shua, Ye'shua, etc) of their Lord and Savior as is evident in this thread

Correct, there was no dispute...Yeshua from YeHoShua...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The Catholic church reaffirmed its view that translations should not attempt to transliterate the divine name. The Catholic Church believes that the divine name is too sacred to be spoken aloud, following the Jewish tradition of not pronouncing the tetragrammaton (YHWH).

In 2008, the Catholic church reaffirmed its view that translations and liturgical texts should not attempt to transliterate the divine name because using 'the Lord' (or equivalent) has been the church's tradition from the beginning and it preserves the mysterious holiness of God.

Yahuah is old English. Yahwah is modern English. Ancient Hebrew did not have an "e" vowel.

 

[AKAE777]

OK. So he agrees with me. There is no Hebrew word (weh)

The letter "V" comes from the Phoenician letter "waw".
During the Late Middle Ages, two minuscule glyphs of U developed which were both used for sounds including /u/ and modern /v/. The Romans used the symbol for both the vowel "u" and the consonant "w".

UAH=WAH
The U is ancient and the W is modern.
Yahuah is Yahwah. Pronounced the same way. That U has a double U sound.

 

[AKAE777]

Correct, there was no dispute...Yeshua from YeHoShua...

Yeshua=Y'shua=Yahshua

The initial letter Y stands for Yah. Ancient Hebrew had no e vowel.

 

[AbbaLove]

There is are (Translations) and there is are (Interpretations.) Which do you prefer?

same as most (both) as long as they are CRRCT.

It's doubtful the original Hebrew followers of the 'Way" would have disputed the Hebrew pronunciation (e.g. Yah'shua, Ye'shua) of YHVH and their Lord and Savior.

There was the original Hebrew (Torah/Tanach) with nowits correct interpretation by godly men. Now thanks to so-called advances in learning there exists a seemingly unending discussion and debate as to who has the best/correct understanding. Thus an indication of the ongoing religiousity of mankind whether among Messinic Jews or Christians.

 

[AbbaLove]

Yeshua=Y'shua=Yahshua

The initial letter Y stands for Yah. Ancient Hebrew had no e vowel.

How did they know how to pronounce HBRV ... Hobrow, Hubruw, Hibriw, Habraw, Hebrev or other cominations using different vowel sounds (Hebrav). With different dialects which one is correct? Who estblished a uniform Pronunciation or were there different pronunciations of the same word?

 

[AKAE777]

How did they know how to pronounce HBRV ... Hobrow, Hubruw, Hibriw, Habraw, Hebrev or other cominations using different vowel sounds (Hebrav). With different dialects which one is correct? Who estblished a uniform Pronunciation or were there different pronunciations of the same word?

The word "Hebrew" in English, referring to the language and people, ultimately stems from the Biblical Hebrew word "Ivri" (עברי), which is believed to mean "from the other side" or "migrant."

The word "Ivri" was then translated into Ancient Greek as Ἑβραῖος (hebraîos), then into Latin as Hebraeus, and finally into Old French as Ebrau, from which the modern English word "Hebrew" is derived

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yahuah is Yahwah. Pronounced the same way. That U has a double U sound.

And he would disagree with that too...Yahu is NOT a prefix used in Hebrew...