stuart lawrence
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You think you understand Pauls message. Let's see.Why keep responding when the understanding is not there?
Why are sinfull passions aroused in people by the law if they live under it?
Rom7:5
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You think you understand Pauls message. Let's see.Why keep responding when the understanding is not there?
But they did the best they could didn't they? At least those that God chose to give His Spirit to such as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David etc.If you want to discuss Psalms:
Do not bring your servant Into judgement, for NO ONE living us righteous before you
Psalms143:2
No one was truly righteous under the OC by observing the law, as they are not under the NC either
Oh boy.But they did the best they could didn't they? At least those that God chose to give His Spirit to such as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David etc.
You seem to have added your own idea into it. "A righteousness of faith in Christ not observing the law" is NOT in the passage. Leave it like it is and take it to mean exactly what it saysAs I said, you don't understand the message:
Do we then nullify the law by this faith( a righteousness of faith in Christ not observing the law) Not at all! Rather we uphold the law
Rom3:31
Their best was not enough to save them from God's wrath though, was it?But they did the best they could didn't they? At least those that God chose to give His Spirit to such as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David etc.
You must read the Bible as a cohesive whole to properly understand it. Paul has spent the previous ten verses stressing the Christian has a righteousness apart from observing the law. They are justified apart from observing the law. They are justified by faith( in Christ)You seem to have added your own idea into it. "A righteousness of faith in Christ not observing the law" is NOT in the passage. Leave it like it is and take it to mean exactly what it says
"Do we, then, nullify the Law by this faith? By no means! Instead, we uphold the Law."
Does it nullify the law because we have faith? NO! Does it say don't try to keep the law because we can't do it perfectly? NO! Does it say the law is upheld? YES! Believe what it says.
Are those Bible verses or your opinion?You seem to have added your own idea into it. "A righteousness of faith in Christ not observing the law" is NOT in the passage. Leave it like it is and take it to mean exactly what it says
"Do we, then, nullify the Law by this faith? By no means! Instead, we uphold the Law."
Does it nullify the law because we have faith? NO! Does it say don't try to keep the law because we can't do it perfectly? NO! Does it say the law is upheld? YES! Believe what it says.
Oh boy, they looked forward to Christ who will make them truly righteous when they are resurrected, but they did not refuse to keep the law and God called them righteous because He too knew that Christ would perfect them in the resurrection. Look, don't keep the law if that's what you believe, as for me I will continue to keep it by the Spirit of Christ in me and I will continue to live under His forgiveness.Oh boy.
The best they could do didn't make them truly righteous before God did it!
You mean you struggle with sin and massive temptations. You exaggerate the epistle of John by connecting a struggle of massive temptations with our being liars and the truth not in you. The very reason you struggle is because you live by the law and not grace. The more you focus on the law the more it magnifies sin. But magnification does [not] increase the sin. A tiny bug viewed under a magnifier will make the bug appear huge, but it is still a little bug. You have massive temptation because you magnify the temptation by dwelling upon it.WE do struggle with massive temptations, if we didn't then we would be liars and the truth would not be in us.
The reason for talking about this to those who are called Christian but think that they have no need to stop sinning, or that they don't sin at all, is because that mindset is a very dangerous thing to have especially at this point in time.
I am very sorry that you don't understand but that is between you and God. You will see one day.
You make the fundamental mistake so many make.Oh boy, they looked forward to Christ who will make them truly righteous when they are resurrected, but they did not refuse to keep the law and God called them righteous because He too knew that Christ would perfect them in the resurrection. Look, don't keep the law if that's what you believe, as for me I will continue to keep it by the Spirit of Christ in me and I will continue to live under His forgiveness.
I am sad for you, to think you can ignore the law of God and live as you want. I will pray for you.You must read the Bible as a cohesive whole to properly understand it. Paul has spent the previous ten verses stressing the Christian has a righteousness apart from observing the law. They are justified apart from observing the law. They are justified by faith( in Christ)
What are some of his readers going to think? The same as you think!
If we are justified apart from observing the law, we can ignore the law and live as we want.
So to stop that false impression Paul wrote verse31.
And what I inserted for your convenience is true. If you understood Pauls core message you would know it to be true
Quote my post where I stated I am free to ignore the law of God.I am sad for you, to think you can ignore the law of God and live as you want. I will pray for you.
You have not even begun to support your position clearly with any type of theology. I would not feel sorry for someone else if you cannot explain what you believe clearly enough for someone else to understand. That is on you brother.I am sad for you, to think you can ignore the law of God and live as you want. I will pray for you.
I am a woman and I have been walking with Christ for 32 years and as a child of His I know better than to condemn anyone. For those who would follow Christ and their desire is to live as He lived I will always encourage them to love the law of God and to know that it is holy and righteous and good and the only way to understand that is to obey them. And those that try to turn the righteous away from obeying God will receive their own payment from God the Father.You mean you struggle with sin and massive temptations. You exaggerate the epistle of John by connecting a struggle of massive temptations with our being liars and the truth not in you. The very reason you struggle is because you live by the law and not grace. The more you focus on the law the more it magnifies sin. But magnification does increase the sin. A tiny bug viewed under a magnifier will make the bug appear huge, but it is still a little bug. You have massive temptation because you magnify the temptation by dwelling upon it.
You assume the worst in the body of Christ. How can you edify the saints if you are convinced everyone is struggling with sin like you? You can bring hope and joy to anyone with your cause. The more you champion obeying the law, even the law of Christ, the more help the devil.
Sir, I have walked with Jesus for 31 years. I know what my Lord expects of me. I am sorry for you, because you live in condemnation when in Christ there is no condemnation.
All Christians know Gods laws are holy righteous and good, and Christians in their hearts want to obey God.I am a woman and I have been walking with Christ for 32 years and as a child of His I know better than to condemn anyone. For those who would follow Christ and their desire is to live as He lived I will always encourage them to love the law of God and to know that it is holy and righteous and good and the only way to understand that is to obey them. And those that try to turn the righteous away from obeying God will receive their own payment from God the Father.
I am a woman and I have been walking with Christ for 32 years and as a child of His I know better than to condemn anyone. For those who would follow Christ and their desire is to live as He lived I will always encourage them to love the law of God and to know that it is holy and righteous and good and the only way to understand that is to obey them. And those that try to turn the righteous away from obeying God will receive their own payment from God the Father.
Now I'm sure you are going to answer honestly aren't you.
Do you even try to obey each and every literal command of Christ.
If you don't, how can you be justified according to what you quoted?
Obedience to Christ is not the law. As a matter of fact, Christ gave us two new commandments.I am a woman and I have been walking with Christ for 32 years and as a child of His I know better than to condemn anyone. For those who would follow Christ and their desire is to live as He lived I will always encourage them to love the law of God and to know that it is holy and righteous and good and the only way to understand that is to obey them. And those that try to turn the righteous away from obeying God will receive their own payment from God the Father.