Why Would We Need to Obey God's Laws?

[ToBeLoved]

I think people quote random scripture in isolation without considering the whole message. It is true you must read the Bible as a cohesive whole. Then they run into trouble answering questions put to them

I agree. I always post the context of verses with a verse or two before and after.

Hopefully it gets people thinking to do the same when they study.

 

[Thursday]

BTW
Justification of observing law does not allow for failure. Perfect obedience or no justification:

For whoever keeps the whole law yet stumbles at JUST ONE POINT is guilty of breaking all if it
James 2:10

Gal3:10&11 states in effect the same

That's why we need repentance and the confession of our sins. That doesn't mean we can return to a life of unrepentant sin and still expect salvation. Scripture is quite clear, only those who endure will be saved.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It's not what I say that matters, it's what Jesus said. The road is narrow.

How narrow is narrow?

 

[Thursday]

How narrow is narrow?

How can we know? God judges. We do know that he is just and that to whom much is given much is expected.

 

[ToBeLoved]

How can we know? God judges. We do know that he is just and that to whom much is given much is expected.

The to whom much is expected is about the saved. The road is narrow to the unsaved.

 

[stuart lawrence]

It's not what I say that matters, it's what Jesus said. The road is narrow.

It's what you haven't said that is revealing! And it seems your road is not quite so narrow as you made out
It seems this justification of observing law you believe you are under isn't exactly what it seemed

 

[stuart lawrence]

That's why we need repentance and the confession of our sins. That doesn't mean we can return to a life of unrepentant sin and still expect salvation. Scripture is quite clear, only those who endure will be saved.

Well you are not enduring very well under the law are you! Much of it appears to pass you by

 

[stuart lawrence]

Those who believe the Christian is expected to look to each and every command of Christ and strive to obey them don't understand the truth of the matter, according to Paul:

Carry each others burdens( love them) and so FULFILL the law if Christ
Gal6:2

It mystifies me, people say they believe they are under a justification of obeying law they are reluctant to say they try and obey.
It may sound nice to make statements such as: justification is obeying Christ's commands. But when that has no bearing on the reality of one's life, it becomes preaching what you do not practice. That is a very grave matter according to Jesus:

The teachers of the law and Pharisees sit in Moses seat, so you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and place them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them
Matt23:2-4

 

[Thursday]

Well you are not enduring very well under the law are you! Much of it appears to pass you by

You conflate the Jewish Law with obedience to Jesus. That's not the same thing.

Matt 28
19Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them inb the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.

 

[stuart lawrence]

You conflate the Jewish Law with obedience to Jesus. That's not the same thing.

No I'm not. You may say justification is obeying Christs commands.
However, that is just making empty statements that have no bearing on the reality of your life.
It doesn't bring forth any meaningful discussion

 

[Thursday]

The to whom much is expected is about the saved. The road is narrow to the unsaved.

That doesn't make sense.

 

[Thursday]

No I'm not. You may say justification is obeying Christs commands.
However, that is just making empty statements that have no bearing on the reality of your life.
It doesn't bring forth any meaningful discussion

I said no such thing.

Salvation is by grace through faith and works. Grace enables us to please God, but it doesn't force us to.

Heb 12:14
Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I said no such thing.

Salvation is by grace through faith and works. Grace enables us to please God, but it doesn't force us to.

Heb 12:14
Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

Now you are backtracking. When I asked you what justification entailed you quoted Jesus words:
If you love me obey my commandments

 

[Thursday]

Now you are backtracking. When I asked you what justification entailed you quoted Jesus words:
If you love me obey my commandments

We can't obey Jesus without grace, but that doesn't mean we don't have to obey Jesus.

I'm not backtracking, you are just making too many assumptions in order to defend your dogma.

 

[stuart lawrence]

We can't obey Jesus without grace, but that doesn't mean we don't have to obey Jesus.

I'm not backtracking, you are just making too many assumptions in order to defend your dogma.

Well obviously you don't think you have to obey Jesus in regards to obeying his individual commands do you, for you don't even try to obey many of them

 

[stuart lawrence]

We can't obey Jesus without grace, but that doesn't mean we don't have to obey Jesus.

I'm not backtracking, you are just making too many assumptions in order to defend your dogma.

And I made no assumptions, just stated what you response with to my question

 

[Thursday]

Well obviously you don't think you have to obey Jesus in regards to obeying his individual commands do you, for you don't even try to obey many of them

Yes, I do try to obey the commands of Jesus. Don't you?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Yes, I do try to obey the commands of Jesus. Don't you?

Let's go through some of them one by one
You don't invite friends or family home for a meal but rather the lame, poor, blind and beggars.
Is that correct?

 

[Thursday]

Let's go through some of them one by one
You don't invite friends or family home for a meal but rather the lame, poor, blind and beggars.
Is that correct?

I have before. Haven't you?

 

[stuart lawrence]

I have before. Haven't you?

Are you saying you only have to obeyJesus commands some of the time not all of the time?