Why worry about global warming?

[dad]

You keep saying that as if it means something.

The reliable news sites generally take the gibberish of complicated papers, that shroud the basic issues, and simplify them, giving sources. I haven't seen you make a case, you just say things and feel people ought to accept it by faith.

I'm saying this as a scientist: when I see a popular news article regarding any field of research which I know well, the popular news article almost always gets it wrong.

Example?

So, your line of argument is, "I doesn't matter how big a mess I make of things! God will come and clean it up for me!"

No, it doesn't matter what a mess the wicked make, God's people respect His creation, the difference is we do not worship it above Him.

He will clean earth up yes. On the other hand, He will send judgements that will do a lot more than anything man could dream of before that, and cause more destruction. No way to avoid the end of this world of man. None at all. It is as good as already happened. Literally. So, the best thing for man to do, even while global warming goes on, is to thank God for the good creation we still have. The changes will not be gradual in the end, but fast fast fast. Until then, there is a lot to be very happy about, and thankful for. There is still good water, and air, and nature...etc.

The only reason that He doesn't end it now, or hasn't already, is because of His people here, they are the only reason the inevitable is not yet here. Be thankful for God's people too, they are the reason earth is here as we know it today. Did anyone think that abortions and killings, and all the evil men do was getting away with something, and God was asleep? No. The harvest is coming. Hold on.

 

[Chalnoth]

The reliable news sites generally take the gibberish of complicated papers, that shroud the basic issues, and simplify them, giving sources. I haven't seen you make a case, you just say things and feel people ought to accept it by faith.

That's just wishful thinking. Here's one example that happened recently:
The Body Odd - Drink wine, don't get sunburned

 

[dad]

That's just wishful thinking. Here's one example that happened recently:
The Body Odd - Drink wine, don't get sunburned

So a site that is sensationalist is what you offer?

"Strange news on the wonderfully weird human body and the medical curiosities that make you go huh, eww or ouch!"

your site..

I said reputable... And if anyone ever offers a link to a story that needs be questioned, one can cross check other sources. Red herring.

Not sure why some seem to think they they alone disseminate truth to mankind about what we know!

 

[Chalnoth]

So a site that is sensationalist is what you offer?

"Strange news on the wonderfully weird human body and the medical curiosities that make you go huh, eww or ouch!"

your site..

I said reputable... And if anyone ever offers a link to a story that needs be questioned, one can cross check other sources. Red herring.

Not sure why some seem to think they they alone disseminate truth to mankind about what we know!

So, you're saying MSN is not a reputable news source?

What is, pray tell?

 

[Cabal]

No idea what you are talking about. A rainbow verse rules out a worldwide flood?? Explain?

Right. It only ruled out total destruction by a flood. Doesn't mean there can't be a significant part of the world flooding due to some cause like global warming.

 

[Chalnoth]

Right. It only ruled out total destruction by a flood. Doesn't mean there can't be a significant part of the world flooding due to some cause like global warming.

Well, it doesn't mean anything at all because it's just an impossible myth (it is not physically possible to flood the entire world: there isn't enough water). But yeah, even if we were to accept the myth as true, it still wouldn't rule out a rise in sea levels of tens of meters (which would, for example, put nearly all of Florida and a good fraction of the American Midwest underwater).

 

[Cabal]

Well, it doesn't mean anything at all because it's just an impossible myth (it is not physically possible to flood the entire world: there isn't enough water). But yeah, even if we were to accept the myth as true, it still wouldn't rule out a rise in sea levels of tens of meters (which would, for example, put nearly all of Florida and a good fraction of the American Midwest underwater).

Right. It's a pretty simple point, and I wonder why I'm still having to explain it. But I guess some want their excuse to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend that this is not a serious issue.

 

[dad]

So, you're saying MSN is not a reputable news source?

What is, pray tell?

Well, if we looked at snake oil ads from any magazine, or etc, we ought to know that a grain of salt is needed. When it comes to hiring a scientist to say whatever some sponsor says, and calling it a study...well, that sort of thing has been going on a long time. One year coffee or wine or butter are great, the next they is death on toast...etc

When a major find in space or dino bones or etc occurs, it does get out, though.

 

[dad]

Well, it doesn't mean anything at all because it's just an impossible myth (it is not physically possible to flood the entire world: there isn't enough water). But yeah, even if we were to accept the myth as true, it still wouldn't rule out a rise in sea levels of tens of meters (which would, for example, put nearly all of Florida and a good fraction of the American Midwest underwater).

Irrelevant. There was not enough water to flood the earth either. The connections to deep space were opened...windows of heaven. Stuff can come and go to and from earth that way.

 

[dad]

Right. It only ruled out total destruction by a flood. Doesn't mean there can't be a significant part of the world flooding due to some cause like global warming.

Oh, I see. Yes, I would tend to agree, sorry if I don't take the fear mongering of so called science seriously in the least way.

 

[Greatcloud]

The ice in Greenland is growing and I don't think we need to worry about any world wide flooding from there.

ADD GREENLAND TO THE LIST OF GROWING ICE SHEETS

 

[Chalnoth]

The ice in Greenland is growing and I don't think we need to worry about any world wide flooding from there.

ADD GREENLAND TO THE LIST OF GROWING ICE SHEETS

This is what is known as cherry picking. When we measure the change in mass over all of Greenland, we find it is losing mass. This is done most accurately by the GRACE satellite:
NASA's Grace Sees Rapid Spread in Greenland Ice Loss - NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory

If you look closely, you do notice that while some parts of the interior are showing mass gain (the white areas), the area experiencing mass loss are much, much larger (the purple areas).

 

[Tim the Plumber]

Strange when I look at the map I read it as the green areas are showing gain in ice in both 2005 and 2008.

There is an easy way to measure the change in sea level. Day length. If ice melts and moves from the poles to the ocean to be spread around the globe at sea level it will, due to the conservation of momentum, reduce the spin rate of the earth a bit. This has not happened.

How you otherwise measure sea level to an accuracy of milimeters is utterly beyond me.

 

[Chalnoth]

Strange when I look at the map I read it as the green areas are showing gain in ice in both 2005 and 2008.

Green is neutral: no or little gain/loss.

There is an easy way to measure the change in sea level. Day length. If ice melts and moves from the poles to the ocean to be spread around the globe at sea level it will, due to the conservation of momentum, reduce the spin rate of the earth a bit. This has not happened.

I'd like to see you put some numbers to this.

How you otherwise measure sea level to an accuracy of milimeters is utterly beyond me.

Google is your friend:
Current sea level rise - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Tim the Plumber]

Earth Rotation Studies: Earth Science in Space 4

geology.about.com/od/tectonicsdeepearth/a/lodresearch.htm - CachedSimilar
Earth Science in Space 4: What a difference a day's length makes. By Andrew ...


Not sure if this is exactly what I was after. Perhaps you can tell me if it fits or shows me to be wrong. I am not sure. (really)

 

[AV1611VET]

Google is your friend:
Current sea level rise - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From our friend:

The sea level will rise above its current level if more polar ice melts.

Basic physics: Take a glass and fill it with ice cubes.

Now fill the glass to the brim with water, then let the ice melt in the glass.

What happens? the level of the water goes down.

 

[Tim the Plumber]

Satellite Measurement of Sea Level.

It's not the same line at all.

 

[Chalnoth]

From our friend:
Basic physics: Take a glass and fill it with ice cubes.

Now fill the glass to the brim with water, then let the ice melt in the glass.

What happens? the level of the water goes down.

1. The ice melt that rises sea levels is land ice melt. You're actually putting more water into the oceans, so obviously the oceans rise.
2. If you actually do that experiment right, with the ice floating, the water level will be unchanged as the ice melts. This is why sea ice is not included when considering sea level rise (the primary effect of sea ice melt is in temperature: the darker water absorbs a lot more sunlight than ice).

 

[Chalnoth]

Satellite Measurement of Sea Level.

It's not the same line at all.

Clearly because other things than sea level impact the rotation speed of the Earth, and sea level rise isn't even the dominant factor.

 

[Tim the Plumber]

From our friend:
Basic physics: Take a glass and fill it with ice cubes.

Now fill the glass to the brim with water, then let the ice melt in the glass.

What happens? the level of the water goes down.

Take the glass, fill it with water, put some ice in it so that the water flows over the side but not so much that the ice touches the bottom. Let the ice melt. The result will be that the water level does not change.

The water level will only change if the ice was being supported by the floor of the glass rather than just floating.

Polar ice that is on land can increase the sea level.

There is very little non-floating ice that is vunerable to melting.

The worst case scenarios for global warming have a sea level rise of less than 3 feet. These scenarios are exagerations.