WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SATURDAY

[SabbathBlessings]

See the first quote above.

Exodus 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work

Not sure where God said the first day is anything other than a working day. These are Gods Words, not mine.

 

[Albion]

Exodus 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work

Not sure where God said the first day is anything other than a working day. These are Gods Words, not mine.

As I said, there are God's words--some of which you cite all the time. But he didn't just say those particular words.

It is pointless for anyone to say that he or she goes by God's words (as though other people do not) before proceeding to pick and choose which of the words of God are going to be acknowledged and which are going to be ignored.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

As I said, there are God's words--some of which you cite all the time. But he didn't just say those particular words.

It is pointless for anyone to say that he or she goes by God's words (as though other people do not) before proceeding to pick and choose which of the words of God are going to be acknowledged and which are going to be ignored.

Like I said previously, I am open to scripture where God declared Sunday the Lords day. Jesus resting and keeping Sabbath in death and rising on Sunday is not God telling us Sunday is Sacred, should be kept Holy and the new day of worship. Until scripture is provided that corrects what God has told us previously, I am going to keep to the scriptures. But I think God telling us He is unchanging is everything I need to know. Hebrews 13:8 God bless.

 

[Albion]

Like I said previously, I am open to scripture where God declared Sunday the Lords day. Jesus resting and keeping Sabbath and rising on Sunday is not God telling us Sunday is Sacred, should be kept Holy and the new day of worship. Until scripture is provided that corrects what God has told us previously, I am going to keep to the scriptures. But I think God telling us He is unchanging is everything I need to know. Hebrews 13:8 God bless.

What a determined effort to uphold your contention! First, Sunday is ruled out as a day of worship because God did not say that Sunday is the Lord's Day, even if that has nothing to do with the issue. Then, Sunday is ruled out because he kept the Jewish regulations (which would mean we should all be Messianic Christians...but you aren't one). Then, the Resurrection is "not God telling us Sunday is Sacred," as though the Resurrection is not very significant and ought not be treated as though it is. Then, we are told that nothing that was part of the Old Covenant can ever be modified (although Christ did exactly that in many ways and very explicitly).

And yet, the actual issue as it has been laid out for all readers here, and repeatedly so, is never addressed in that post.

 

[DamianWarS]

You are free to call whatever day you want, but God said Sunday, the first day was not "The Lords day" but a working day. Your disagreement is with God's Words, not mine. God bless.

In a old testament vacuum perhaps, but then that's not all of God's word.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What a determined effort to uphold your contention! First, Sunday is ruled out as a day of worship because God did not declare Sunday the Lord's Day. Then, Sunday is ruled out because he kept the Jewish regulations (which would mean we should all be Messianic Christians...but you aren't). Then, the Resurrection is "not God telling us Sunday is Sacred," as though the Resurrection is not very significant. Then, we are told that nothing that was part of the Old Covenant can ever be modified (although Christ very explicitly did exactly that in many ways).

And yet, the actual issue as it has been laid out for you repeatedly is never addressed in that post.

Probably because I follow scriptures. It's not about your perceived view of my contention or even my opinion that matters. God told us His Sabbath is sacred Exodus 20:8. That its a sign between Him and His people and that it is a perpetual covenant. Exodus 31:13-16, Ezekiel 20:20 What you a rebuking are God's Words, not mine. If you think the 10 commandments are only for Jewish people and that those same 10 commandments are not repeated in the New Testament than we are probably reading a different Bible version. There is not a different God from the OT to the NT. I appreciate your commentary, but I only believe in scriptures inside the Bible anything that is different than what God told us, we are cautioned about and I think for good reasons. I believe we are in a spiritual war, we are told His presence will be lessened during end times, not because He doesn't love each of us, because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. Mathew 24:12 I see it clearly with the word around us. God has so many promises for us Revelations 22:14 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. I just don't understand the contention around God's 4th commandment. His Sabbath is very much a blessing.

 

[Lukaris]

Early Christians understood that Isaiah prophesied of the end of sabbath keeping ( per Isaiah 1:11-20). St. Paul affirms in Colossians 2:11-23.

Someone may ask how this is interpreted so? St.Ignatius of Antioch,writing in about 100 AD, states, “If then, those who lived in antiquated customs came to newness of hope, no longer keeping the Sabbath ( Isaiah 1:13) but live in accordance with the Lord’s day ( Revelation 1:10) on which our life arose through Him and His death ( though some deny it), and by this mystery we received the power to believe, and for this reason we endure so that we may be recognized as disciples of Jesus Christ our only teacher...how shall we be able to live apart from him of whom even the prophets were disciples in the Spirit, Him whom they expected as their teacher? And therefore when He came, He whom they righteously awaited raised them from the dead ( Matthew 27:52).”

from a letter to the Christians of Magnesia.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello LGW, the law showed us that we are sinners...So being under the law is being under the ' power of Sin' both Jews and Gentiles..as it written; All have sinned and fall short of Glory of God... So here is a question for you; if the law gives us the knowledge of Sin, then how long would it takes for you to turn to Christ for the forgiveness of those sins?

As posted in the post you are quoting from the purpose of the law is to give us a knowledge of what sin is and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith, repentance and confession of our sins (Acts of the Apostles 2:38; 1 John 1:9; Galatians 3:22-25; 1 John 5:4)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Who is WE kemosabe?

[Acts of the Apostles 15:28-29]
"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:
that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell."

Your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 has Paul contradicting himself after the council of Jerusalem when he then goes to the Corinthian believes and says...

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

Acts of the Apostles 15 was not over new Gentile believers being lawless it was over the question "is circumcision a requirement for salvation for new gentile believers?" It was this question that was being discussed at Jerusalem as shown in the scripture context of Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2. The outcome in Acts of the Apostles 15:20 was because they would be continuing to learn God's Word every Sabbath *Acts of the Apostles 15:21.

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Even the decision at Jerusalem shows the dietary laws. Where do you think the command not to eat food with the blood in it comes from? Do you eat red meat as a gentile believer? If so why is the meat red?

Something to pray about.

 

[PaulCyp1]

Because the early leaders of the Christian (Catholic) Church rightly believed it was more appropriate to worship on the day of Jesus Christ's glorious Resurrection, than on the day He layed dead in the tomb.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You really have to read the account in John.

I have and added many scriptures in the diagrams post you are quoting from did you read them?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

the early church jumped to these conclusions as well. I'm not sure how calling a day of the week the Lord's day incorrectly from its biblical usage can be called sinful except if it's being used to identify the Sabbath (then I understand that). However, hypothetically, if an individual were to separate the Lord's day from the Sabbath what sin is being committed if they incorrectly identity the Lord's day from its biblical counterpart? (which is limited Rev 1:10). it seems to put a lot on a single verse. I missed your scriptural support too, can you repost it?

You need to get your facts right here. The early Church kept the Sabbath.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

those are verses about the Sabbath day. I'm referring to the scriptural support that identifies the Lord's day as the Sabbath day. I get the impression you are defending this idea that the Sabbath has not moved to Sunday. If that's so I agree with you and it's scripturally unsupported and there isn't a single place in the bible that suggests that, however, that's not what I'm saying. The Sabbath is the Sabbath, the day of rest, the 7th day. The Lord's day is the day Christ resurrected, it is on the first day of the week, the modern-day of Sunday. Scripture does support the early church worshiping on the first day of the week (and Christ did rise on the first day) also historically the early church worshiped on the first day of the week and it was called the Lord's day, it has always been called that and still is in Greek. Literally, the word for Sunday in Greek is the Lord's day. There is no explicit verse in the bible that says the Lord's day is Sunday but mainly because it's not a common line in the bible. It is mentioned once, and it's the last book written.

I get you have a strong identity with the name of the Lord's day with the Sabbath and so any suggestion that the Lord's day is on a different day feels like an attack on the Sabbath. It's not and that's not what I intend it to be. Historically speaking the Lord's day is without question on Sunday. The single biblical reference is ambiguous but the bible does support the early church valuing Sunday as a day to gather. I accept your desire to call the Sabbath the Lord's day and that it fits that day but this is more of a recent change that is unsupported throughout history. It's a none issue to me if you want to call the Sabbath the Lord's day but it is an issue if you reject the day I call the Lord's day simply because you want it to be the Sabbath. I don't share that identity with the name and I'm not attacking the Sabbath day so I'm confused about what the issue is?

There is no scriptural support that says that "the Lords day" is Sunday or the first day of the week. There is no scripture linking Sunday or the first day of the week to "the Lords day" anywhere in the bible. This is a teaching and tradition of men that is not biblical

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I have and added many scriptures in the post you are quoting from did you read them?

I've read all the accounts of the crucifixion.

Isn't it interesting that the women, who intended to prepare Jesus' body for burial and went to his tomb on the first day for that purpose, are so prominently mentioned in the narrative, after this had already been done? Curious.

John 19:38-40 King James Version

38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.

39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.

40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

 

[Lukaris]

You need to get your facts right here. The early Church kept the Sabbath.

No.

 

[Freth]

The Lord's Day

Revelation 1:10 is the only verse in the Bible that has the phrase "Lord's day" (KJV).

Revelation 1:10-11 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.
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Who is the Alpha and Omega? Who is the Lord?

Revelation 1:1-2 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.​

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
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What day does the Lord Himself claim as His day?

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Luke 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
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The seventh day Sabbath is the Lord's day, not Sunday.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

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[Albion]

The Lord's Day
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Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Luke 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
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The seventh day Sabbath is the Lord's day, not Sunday.

and yet, none of those verses support your claim. Interesting, huh?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Because the early leaders of the Christian (Catholic) Church rightly believed it was more appropriate to worship on the day of Jesus Christ's glorious Resurrection, than on the day He layed dead in the tomb.

A more appropriate day than what God told us. Really?

 

[Albion]

A more appropriate day than what God told us. Really?

Once again with the claim that part of the Bible is God's word but other parts of it are not.