WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SATURDAY

[SabbathBlessings]

Once again with the claim that part of the Bible is God's word but other parts of it are not.

So you're saying the Roman Catholic Church is above God? If there is scripture you have, why don't you share it. There is nothing that says the Lords day is on the first day otherwise it would have been provided by now. Even the Catholic church admits Sunday worship is a catholic commandment and not a Biblical one.

 

[Lukaris]

Once again with the claim that part of the Bible is God's word but other parts of it are not.

It is interesting that the Lord was being condemned for not keeping His sabbath by the sabbath keepers.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It is interesting that the Lord was being condemned for not keeping His sabbath by the sabbath keepers.

Jesus kept His Fathers commandments, which includes the 4th commandment. No Sabbath keeper believes anything different.

 

[Albion]

So you're saying the Roman Catholic Church is above God?

I never said anything of the sort.

 

[SkyWriting]

NO YOU DON'T! That is a fallacy!

That is an unsubstantiated posh poor rebuttal!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I never said anything of the sort.

You might want to go back and read the post you quoted me, I was quoting another poster about them saying the Catholic church said Sunday was a more appropriate day to worship. Your response to me would make it seem like you agree with that statement.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

That is an unsubstantiated posh poor rebuttal!

No it isn't...it is the truth...and if you knew anything about the Torah, you would agree with me...but you don't, that is why you say silly things like you do...

 

[Albion]

You might want to go back and read the post you quoted me, I was quoting another poster about them saying the Catholic church said Sunday was a more appropriate day to worship. Your response to me would make it seem like you agree with that statement.

I'm not finding any post like that and I'm not interested in any deflections. Identify the post you are referring to and quote the line in question. Then we may be able to figure out where you went wrong.

 

[SkyWriting]

No it isn't...it is the truth...and

if you knew anything about the Torah, you would agree with me

That is an unsubstantiated poor rebuttal frosted with new false logic!

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

That is an unsubstantiated poor rebuttal frosted with new false logic!

No it isn't. YOU said "If you wish to keep the Law, then you must keep all 613 laws." That is a blatant fallacy! Only a person that knows nothing regarding Torah would say something so silly! No one could or was ever required to keep ALL "613"...it is impossible for any one person to do...

 

[SkyWriting]

No it isn't. YOU said "If you wish to keep the Law, then you must keep all 613 laws." That is a blatant fallacy! No one could or was ever required to keep ALL "613"...it is impossible for any one person to do...

Correct. That why we all require forgiveness for our sins.
That's the reason for the new covenant. Because the old one
is a failure. But mankind actually needed to be SHOWN what a failure
the first covenant was. And the Jews were used as a demonstration
of how the law cannot save.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Correct. That why we all require forgiveness for our sins.
That's the reason for the new covenant. Because the old one
is a failure. But mankind actually needed to be SHOWN what a failure
the first covenant was. And the Jews were used as a demonstration
of how the law cannot save.

That has NOTHING to do with what I said. You said "If you wish to keep the Law, then you must keep all 613 laws." That is a fallacy because no one person could or was ever required to keep ALL "613". You really know nothing about Torah...

 

[atpollard]

First you need to define what sin is. We are told sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4. Previously you indicated there is no law as it was made only to Jews. Now you’re saying there is sin so that means there must be laws.

No, I do not need to define sin. YOU brought up sin by asking me if we were "free to sin". In point of fact, YES, we are free to sin because if we do sin, we have an advocate in heaven who is faithful to forgive our sins [1 John 2:1-2]; we also know that there is no judgement for those that believe [John 3:18]. So the issue is not "MAY WE SIN" ... the question to be asked is "DO YOU WANT TO SIN?" If you are "born from above" [John 3:3-8], then the answer will be "NO" [Philippians 2:13] [Romans 8:28-30] [Romans 6:1-23].

We are compelled by LOVE rather than the LAW to want/desire to please God.
The Pharisees obeyed every dot and tittle of the letter of the Law far better than any SDA ever dreamed, and utterly failed to even comprehend that they had completely violated the SPIRIT of the LAW. We have been given the GRACE to walk in the Spirit without ever needing to fear the letter of the LAW.

Follow your conscience, but you have my sympathy.
The Covenant with Israel passed through Moses on Sinai WAS between God and the Jews.

 

[atpollard]

That remark has nothing to do with what I said...

Does the fact that you cannot keep all 613 laws permit you to violate those two laws that you COULD keep but CHOOSE NOT TO KEEP?
That is the point and it IS relevant to what you said.
so I repeat ...

I trust that you are not wearing blended fabrics or cutting your hair!

 

[SkyWriting]

No it isn't. YOU said "If you wish to keep the Law, then you must keep all 613 laws." That is a blatant fallacy! Only a person that knows nothing regarding Torah would say something so silly! No one could or was ever required to keep ALL "613"...it is impossible for any one person to do...

Reverence Yahweh by Keeping His Laws. (All of them that are worth our trouble)
Read (study and meditate on) the Book of the Law.
Teach the Book of the Law to our children.
Bind the Law upon our hands.
Bind (write) the Law upon our minds.
Preach and publish Yahweh's Law.
Gather for the reading of the Law every seventh year.
A king must acquire and apply the Book of the Law.
We must confess our sins to Yahweh, repent for them, and be converted to the keeping of Yahweh's Laws.
Our conduct must be according to Yahweh's Law during times of persecution.

 

[atpollard]

That has NOTHING to do with what I said. You said "If you wish to keep the Law, then you must keep all 613 laws." That is a fallacy because no one person could or was ever required to keep ALL "613". You really know nothing about Torah...

You are splitting hairs.
No person was ever allowed to VIOLATE any of the 613, even if it fell to a High Priest to KEEP some of them.
Why do you willfully violate so many that you could keep if you wanted to?

(I believe that they are not for Gentiles, and will answer to God for my actions if I am wrong. What reason will YOU give for refusing to obey the Law that you believe applies to you?)

 

[SkyWriting]

Does the fact that you cannot keep all 613 laws permit you to violate those two laws that you COULD keep but CHOOSE NOT TO KEEP?
That is the point and it IS relevant to what you said.
so I repeat ...

I trust that you are not wearing blended fabrics or cutting your hair!

I get around that by letting a nice Russian girl cut it for me.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No.

Yep...

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Acts of the Apostles 13:14, But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Act of the Apostles 13:27, For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Acts of the Apostles 13:44, And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts of the Apostles 15:21, For Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Acts of the Apostles 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spoke to the women which resorted thither.

Acts of the Apostles 17:2, And Paul, as his manner was, went in to them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures

Acts of Apostles 18:4, And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Revelation 1:10, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I've read all the accounts of the crucifixion.

Isn't it interesting that the women, who intended to prepare Jesus' body for burial and went to his tomb on the first day for that purpose, are so prominently mentioned in the narrative, after this had already been done? Curious.

John 19:38-40 King James Version

38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.

39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.

40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

This does not address the posts you have been quoting from so not sure what you are talking about here.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You are splitting hairs.
No person was ever allowed to VIOLATE any of the 613, even if it fell to a High Priest to KEEP some of them.
Why do you willfully violate so many that you could keep if you wanted to?

(I believe that they are not for Gentiles, and will answer to God for my actions if I am wrong. What reason will YOU give for refusing to obey the Law that you believe applies to you?)

He (@Yeshua HaDerekh) is talking about the Torah laws for woman if your a man. Or the Torah laws for men if your a women so he is correct.