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Why teach creationism in public school science classes?
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IreneAdler
more binah in her finger than in your whole body
the idea that there are other theories and thoughts should be presented but not any faith specific education, no. My teacher (against the law btw) taught creation, creational evolution and evolution to us and stated "this is your choice, this is what science teaches, I will not present a biased view, either for or against any of these ideas". I loved it. It was great.
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"You can either believe 2+2=4 or 2+2=purple. This is your choice, this is what mathematics teaches, I will not present a biased view, either for or against any of these ideas."
*shudders*
*shudders*
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IreneAdler
more binah in her finger than in your whole body
it was at the time, I'm old, gimme a break.
And I really don't think science thinks creation is true (I didn't even say that).
and it's not 2+2 - it's simplistic to even say that
And I really don't think science thinks creation is true (I didn't even say that).
and it's not 2+2 - it's simplistic to even say that
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It was simplified on purpose to illustrate the point. The Theory of Evolution is actually just as demonstrable.
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J
Jazer
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Creation is the proof for a Creator. If we did not have a Creator, then there would be no creation. The Bible starts off: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.". Not everyone can read the whole Bible, but everyone can read the first sentance. We learn that it was God who created the heavens and the earth. If you keep reading, then you will get more details about creation and the Creator. It is amazing how many people never read the Bible, yet they seem to have opinions about something they know nothing about.
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IreneAdler
more binah in her finger than in your whole body
It was erroneously simplified into something it doesn't equate to. By all means, believe the way you wish, but promoting ignorance of any idea doesn't lead to discovery and open mindedness.
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CaliforniaSun
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It's a fine line, isn't it? I read the bible, which is precisely why I don't believe anymore.
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So who created the creator?
So a crystal requires that something create it?
So do you have an opinion about the reality of evolution and deep time?
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The point was, it's probably not a good idea, when teaching children about something the first time, to give them options and let them pick which one they think is right.
It's not promoting ignorance at all. They can learn about creation in Sunday school -- that's where I learned about it. It just turns out that as I got older, I started to lean more toward believing only in the things have have evidence to support them. It's the nature of skepticism.
When you're in a science class, you're there to learn science -- not religious beliefs. That's what church is for. At the very best, a social studies class there to objectively learn about religions.
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IreneAdler
more binah in her finger than in your whole body
Not all children go to religious training. (so no they can't learn it there)
Science grows and develops constantly, it's like an organism. It is not stagnant nor are it's ideas (or you could go back to 1930 and have surgery... I don't think so). The idea that you should limit contributions to thought processes simply because they're controversial would have meant that evolution would NEVER have been taught. Education should be broad and complete, not limited.
Science grows and develops constantly, it's like an organism. It is not stagnant nor are it's ideas (or you could go back to 1930 and have surgery... I don't think so). The idea that you should limit contributions to thought processes simply because they're controversial would have meant that evolution would NEVER have been taught. Education should be broad and complete, not limited.
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You're partially right. However science isn't about having baseless ideas and exploring them -- that's leaning more toward philosophy.
Most of it starts with a question or observation, or if a guess, at least one based on prior knowledge (called hypothesis). "How does this work/happen? Maybe this way? Nope. This way? Ah, yes! This is how it works!"
Creationism, on the other hand, starts with a solution, then attempts to support itself upon apologetics. "The bible says this, so that's how it was -- now, how do I prove it's right without any material evidence?"
Yes, religion does have a place in education - I just believe it should be taught in a class about world cultures or religions... definitely not science.
If you think science should be open to teaching creationism as scientific fact, then why specifically the Christian version? There are hundreds of creation stories from many different religious beliefs. Why only the one you believe in?
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IreneAdler
more binah in her finger than in your whole body
I didn't say that (putting words in my mouth). I said it was presented as an idea and not supported or decried.
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Sorry, if that's how I came off. You indeed didn't say that. But which version to you consider scientific fact?
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MoonLancer
The Moon is a reflection of the MorningStar
You seem to be confused about teach the controversy. There is nothing controversial about creationism. It simply isn't science and has no evidence to support its claims. creationists try to wedge it into the class room using less then honest methods. Hence the dover trial.
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