buzuxi02
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From what I read in the Bible I believe this is the end time Israel nation spoken about by the prophets....it is Scripture that convinces me.
Also the scale of what has happened concerning present day Israel fits in with prophecy, and the miraculous nature of events and the preservation of Israel all add weight to my present conviction....it goes beyond a man-made attempt at restoration.
Not sure why you believe this, its currently a secular state, and the two state solution being pushed internationally calls for a divided city of Jerusalem as a palestinian/arab/muslim capital.
Well I believe G-d cares...Israel is the place where He has chosen to reveal Himself and His glory to mankind...the Jews are the people that He not only chose to show His glory to the world, but actually formed as a nation for Himself...and it is to Israel and Jerusalem that Jesus is going to return.
I guess here is where we differ somewhat. Yes, he has chosen the jews to reveal his glory to the world. But since he has already done that in Christ, the nation has become obselete. Through them the messiah came, and they fullfilled their role to the world.
For us, he will return for Israel his Church. Though we do believe the antichrist willl decieve the jews presenting himself as their long awaited messiah and set up a palace on the temple mount.
So I think present day Israel should be a wake up call to Christians that G-d is working, that He has not forgotten the Jewish people that they are at the centre of His plans and that they along with the Church are included in making His glory known throughout the earth in these last days which I believe we are living in.
The jews have always believed in an earthly kingdom and have always rejected the Messiah of the NT. As Christ taught, 'My Kingdom is not of this world'. He withered the fig tree overnight, foreshadowng the decades long withering away of the hebrew nation which came to fruition with the destruction of the temple in 70 a.d. and finally the destruction of Jerusalem in the early 2nd century.
It is inconceivable that Christians should not understand the heart of G-d for His people Israel, how He longs for them to return to Him and wants to bless and establish them in righteousness...their failure to recognize Him has meant such blessing for us Gentiles...we are supposed to provoke them to jealousy when they see what they have missed out on, but I am afraid most of what they see in the Church is not very pleasant.
Yes, he longs for them to return but that wont happen until the false messiah is revealed. At the times of tribulation many jews (and muslims) willl finally accept Jesus the Christ, recognizing the deception and fraud of the lawless one.
Those who are last will be first, and those who are first will be last. The first people to hear the gospel will be the last to recieve it. This is what Orthodox eschatology believes and teaches. But Political Israel is just that, a temporary jewish homeland till there exiled again, as history has shown over and over.
Sorry for the lack of reverence, but even the jews attempted to make the island of Cyprus their new homeland because it was so much better. Whether the Kitsos war or Theofore Herzl's original plan to occupy it. Palestine/ Israel whatever you want to call it, is not so much a promised Land but God's punching bag. You cant rewrite history, and history shows whoever lives there has a death wish, its masochism to believe it. Now if we were speaking for Hawaii or some other exotic locale you may have some credibility. But it just happens that the desert is at the crossroads, the center of the three continents and was ideal for the messiah to be born there and to start evangelizing the world from the center on out. When 'the fullness of time came' Jesus was born, which was the ideal time for the evangelization to begin. After that its significance came to an end.
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