Why exactly is rock music Satanic?

[BookofMatt]

No its just the association, depends on the drummers intent.
A lot of rock bands actually do have occult links and the bible says to avoid appearance of evil.

Okay, but which bands? Again, you're making these bold claims with no evidence. Yes, there are bands with actual occult links, but they're largely underground metal bands which most people would have never heard of. If we're talking about rock music in general, you're going to have to be a lot more specific than "a lot of bands".

That's where most of these "associations" come from: absolutely unfounded accusations. You can point at any song with the word "hell" in the title and scream "Satanism!", but it doesn't change the fact that the song could not even be about Hell, the devil or the occult. You could point to a band like KISS and claim their makeup is Satanic, but that doesn't change the fact that none of their songs are about religion or Satan. If someone is going to claim that Satanists are rampant in rock music, the least they could do is actually name some.

 

[WolfGate]

The reason why rock beats appeal to our sensual nature is because 4/4 time is close to what our heartbeat rate is.

This statement makes no sense. Do you understand what 4/4 is? It has absolutely zero to do with the rate as you called it of the music. It tells you how many beats are in each measure and the note value to be given to each beat. It does not indicate anything about how fast or slow the music is played.

 

[Goodbook]

Heart rhythms. Tempo.
Sorry if you dont understand.

Anyway. Satan knows how to appeal to the flesh. One vehicle he does use is through music which he appropriated for his own worship.

Anyway, just do your research and youll find out that most rock stars are anti christian, and not born again. Some actively court an association with the devil. Its about fame and fortune for them and the dark side.

 

[squirrel123]

The reason why rock beats appeal to our sensual nature is because 4/4 time is close to what our heartbeat rate is.

Heart rhythms. Tempo.

You're not making any sense.

1. 4/4 time has NOTHING to do with speed, and everything to do with rhythm/phrasing. 4/4 can be 30 beats/minute or 120 beats/minute, or even more extreme - whatever the musician wants it to be.
2. If you were to assign any musical "timing" to a person's heart, it wouldn't be 4/4. Maybe 2/4 or 2/2, I'm not exactly sure, but what I am sure of is that my heart beats a two-part rhythm, not a 4-part rhythm.

 

[Citanul]

And if you're throwing out music in 4/4 time, that's most classical music gone as well...

 

[Citanul]

Anyway, just do your research and youll find out that most rock stars are anti christian,

That's not how it works. You're the one making the claim, so you need to provide evidence to support it (i.e. that more than 50% of all rock stars are anti-Christian). Telling people to go and do the research is really the equivalent of saying that you've got nothing to back it up because if you did then there's no reason not to present it.

 

[Spiritlight]

Name some. If you're going to make claims that "most" rock music is anti-Christian

Re read my reply in that my belief is that music could be satanic is hogwash fundamentalist nonsense from the 70's and 80's.

Instrumental music is meaningless noise.

Lyrics are meaningful but you still give them meaning yourself.

 

[WolfGate]

Heart rhythms. Tempo.
Sorry if you dont understand.

Anyway. Satan knows how to appeal to the flesh. One vehicle he does use is through music which he appropriated for his own worship.

Anyway, just do your research and youll find out that most rock stars are anti christian, and not born again. Some actively court an association with the devil. Its about fame and fortune for them and the dark side.

I understand that from a musical technical perspective, you are wrong. You brought up the wrong 4/4 statement as support for your viewpoint when 4/4 is totally not applicable to your point. It appears to me you are picking a single genre of music and blaming it for the sins of some of the artists. Of course, you could do that for country, or classical, or adult contemporary, or big band, or any genre of music out there.

 

[BookofMatt]

Anyway, just do your research and youll find out that most rock stars are anti christian, and not born again. Some actively court an association with the devil. Its about fame and fortune for them and the dark side.

Who? Name some. You can't make claims like "most" rock stars "actively court an association with the devil" and expect us to believe you without giving the remotest shred of evidence. You're the one making the claims, so the burden of proof is on your end. If you can't back up your claims with any tangible proof, then you might as well be claiming that "most" rock stars worship a talking purple dog named Jamal.

I'm the only one in this thread who's actually named a few 'Satanist' bands, but not only are they all underground metal bands without any mainstream influence, the few members who actually are Satanists are just LaVeyan-brand atheists. However, this thread and your posts are about rock music in general. There's no argument if you're going to claim that Norwegian black metal has ties to Satanism, but if you're going to widen the scope that broadly to encompass literal millions of bands and artists within the spectrum "rock music" as a whole, then yes, it's your own obligation to at least give us some examples.

 

[Dave-W]

Instrumental music itself is just a noise much like any other and has no meaning outside the one you give it.

In most cases - I agree; but not in ALL cases.

I have heard demonic elements showing thru instrumental music. Jimi Hendrix toward the end of his life believed much of his uncanny prowess on the guitar was from demonic inspiration.

 

[supersoldier71]

As a musician and songwriter, I agree, there's power in music, but I think the intent matters; context matters.

4/4 time, even 4/4 time with a hard backbeat, is no more inherently evil than the color green because context and intent matter.

 

[Dave-W]

The reason why rock beats appeal to our sensual nature is because 4/4 time is close to what our heartbeat rate is.

Do you prefer 5/4 or 7/8?

Here is 5/4:

And here is a familiar 4/4 tune being played in 7/8:

 

[WannaWitness]

It seems to me that this big "music debate" has been going on for years and years - since way before I was even born. I've been doing some casual studies here and there on this issue, so I am well aware of the "rock music is evil" mentality. Now, I understand that everybody has different tastes when it comes to various things like music, and many people (more than we think) are more traditionalist when it comes to the music they listen to, and they have their reasons. But that doesn't give a license to say someone is evil for listening to rock (or any other contemporary music styles) simply because they don't care for it. I'm pretty sure that ragtime and "tin pan alley" music was viewed in the same way about a century ago, as were jazz, big band, boogie-woogie, and blues in the pre-rock era. In my opinion, the reasoning behind this is quite weak, seeing as how all music at some point in time was considered "contemporary".

I myself listen to various styles of music, mainly with Christian, inspiring, or at least wholesome lyrics that do not go against Biblical standard. I also like a lot of clean novelty/comedy music and instrumentals with no lyrics at all. And yes, I am aware that some will disagree with even that, but that's a topic for another thread.

I do not wish to debate here; I'm just sharing my personal thoughts and observations when it comes to this matter.

 

[WannaWitness]

Do you prefer 5/4 or 7/8?

Here is 5/4:

And here is a familiar 4/4 tune being played in 7/8:

Hey, I like those! I am always on the lookout for the unique and unusual when it comes to music, and that includes rhythms.

But those pieces sound quite normal compared with these Don Ellis compositions (in 19/8 and 33/8, respectively):

 

[Dave-W]

Yeah - 5/4 or 7/8 are not THAT odd.

I always liked the 11/8 intro to "Whipping Post" by the Allman Brothers.

 

[Citanul]

I'm not sure if any of the time signatures in Dream Theater's Dance Of Eternity qualify as odd, but it has over 100 changes.

And here's a drum cover with the time signatures provided.

 

[WannaWitness]

Yeah - 5/4 or 7/8 are not THAT odd.

I always liked the 11/8 intro to "Whipping Post" by the Allman Brothers.

Pretty neat!

 

[Goodbook]

It is just something that in rock music is why its called rock music because of the beat. Or backbeat.

If you dont want to make anything of it then just be ignorant, but that is what i heard from some music experts because 7 is like the perfect timing in music.

There is this book called 'season of the witch' its not written by any christian fundie its just observing that a lot of rock music has appropriated ideas from occult. Whether its to glorify self or just to get people interested in the dark side, that is the purpose of it, I dont find rock music to be anything special or great myself...its a lot of agression which when played doesnt make me think heavenly thoughts, and often well its just depressing and makes ppl want to drink, do drugs and kill themselves ...well kurt cobain and amy winehouse anyone?

 

[Goodbook]

You can also watch this documentary and make up your own mind..

I havent seen the whole thing but then I dont care for rock music myself.

 

[Citanul]

I dont find rock music to be anything special or great myself...its a lot of agression which when played doesnt make me think heavenly thoughts, and often well its just depressing and makes ppl want to drink, do drugs and kill themselves ...well kurt cobain and amy winehouse anyone?

Are you seriously trying to suggest that Amy Winehouse is aggressive rock (or even just rock for that matter)? Because that's how your post reads, and it does your argument no favours. In any case, if you were to refuse to listen to any style of music whose practitioners drank/took drugs or committed suicide then you wouldn't be left with anything.