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Ode to the Forgotten Few
The term means someone who does not believe in a God. Anti-Theist is not the same thing as an Atheist.Here is the problem with this debate. Your general parameters are to ignore the points I actually make and instead fabricate counter-arguments based on claims I did not make. Consequently, my response to this:
Would be to ask if you understand what the term often means.
Yeah. That's on my to-watch list.Earlier I embedded a link to the FOX television show "Lucifer." The precept of that series is Lucifer, the devil himself, decides to take a vacation from his duties in hell and relocate to Los Angeles.
Should that show being critically acclaimed bother me?
Perhaps because they thought it'd make a well-watched and good selling series.I read the background and watched the first episode. It is your typical sophomoric low-brow network television crap, laced with juvenile humor written governed by the assumed stupidity of the potential viewer. The narrative champions hedonism and moral relativism combined with imagery embedded with occult symbolism. In regard to the series being produced and aired, the question is why FOX decided to produce it?
What a surprise you think the second answer is more likely.FOX believed the show would draw enough viewers to render it profitable via advertising revenue.
FOX executives are on the band-wagon of taking every opportunity to stick their finger in the eye of Christians.
Someone is promoting an agenda.
Possibly. I doubt it'd have been as successful. Christianity has waned since then though so it is more an indicator of how less seriously people take Christianity.Of course each of these raises more questions. At least for those rational enough to ask. But the underlying truth in regard to this series is clear. Without a cultural construct molded to be accommodating the ability to produce a television series featuring satan as the male lead would not be possible. Do you believe this series could have been green-lighted during the 1970's, or the 1980's?
I didn't refer to television or rock having been invented to "promote satanism". I said that Satanism, the emergence of it is the consequence of the occult being present in popular culture.I never said it did. I have stated quite clearly television was not invented for satanist or the promotion of satanism or the occult. I said satanist have availed themselves of the media in order to promote their agenda. The exact same is true of rock music. Rock music, or if you wish music in general, wasn't invented as an art form in order to promote the occult. But occultist have certainly taken advantage of its power and influence to promote their agenda.
This would be you, of course, taking to extremes the themes of suggestive media and arguing as if everyone who enjoys a raunchy or dark song takes their lyrics literally.If so then these people have a warped idea of what is fun. Alcoholism, drug addiction, over indulgence, sexual promiscuity, sexual depravity, rage rebellion, narcissism, nihilism, depression, suicide, these are all self-destructive practices.
You are a Puritan. You're also a Prude.Based on your prior post this is where you start screaming "Puritan! Outcast Unclean!" But understand I am not talking about a behavior, I am talking about irresponsible behavior.
You'd be at home in Pleasantville.
Curiously the societal standards needed to support "Do What Thou Wilt" involve the implementation of human rights. You can do what thou wilt so long as it does not inflict upon the others to do the same.The underlying maxim of many rock and pop music anthems is based on the Aleister Crowley dictate of "Do What Thou Wilt." A dictate more commonly embraced as moral relativism.
I'd always prefer a slightly satanic and rebellious edge to live over the restrictive, excessively puritan and prudish behavioural restrictions that derive from religious fundamentalism.
There is no single philosophy behind Rock music. We have Progressive Rock, Stoner Rock, Post-Rock, Indie Rock, Folk Rock, Alternative Rock, Gothic Rock, Industrial Rock, Shoegaze, Math Rock, Noise Rock, Garage Rock, Post-Hardcore, Punk Rock, Emo, Dream Pop, Grunge, Symphonic Rock, Latin Rock, Neo-Prog, Avant-Prog etc, most of which have managed some form of success and effect in the public consciousness.Very few care what Tom Cruise thinks. Rock music as a genre however has embraced the philosophy of Crowley.
Imagine being so prude that The Rolling Stones and The Beatles are too suggestive for you.His image was included on the cover of the Beatles album "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band." The Rolling Stones were devotees of both Crowley and Anton LeVay for a time. This is the original cover scheduled for their album "Goats Head Soup." Considered too controversial for the time it was eventually changed to an image of Jagger wrapped in silk, or something. The Stones also evidenced their allegiance on the cover for the album "Their Satanic Majesty's Request." And by producing an album by that name. And the fact they just admitted it. Crowley's philosophy also influenced other notable bands such as Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Metallica. And a lot of other guys. Quote:
Fantasy borrows from popular culture. Most forms of fantasy have their own interpretation of the occult in some form.Fantasy is a genre. The occult is a practice.
I am not moving any goalpost. Most forms of Fantasy include a satanic and occult-esque element. Presumably you object to all of them.Moving the goalpost. Prior it was all just fantasy.
How do you know they take themselves seriously behind just being a stage act?They take themselves seriously. And apparently so does the music industry. I think they are idiots, but what matters is what their fans think, and what their fans get from the music. Music appreciation is subjective, the term good relative.
The music industry takes their music seriously, not their image. Their imagery is more of a curiousity to the industry. They actually produce very high quality music.
I quickly looked up one link about Katy Perry admitting that and it looks extremely doctored with grainy image. No lip matches. Give sources on all of them please, and with context.Have you looked at how many music artist are making this claim? Lada Gaga, Beyonce, Kesha, Kenya West, Katy Perry, just to cite a small sample, are all on video openly confessing to their conversion.
Because people always believe in what they sing about.The Lada Gaga video for "Bad Romance" graphically details her conversion, the act of selling her soul. Because of the imagery employed I can't even link it here.
If you believe the entertainment industry and the music industry are pro-satan and interested in promoting pro-satan music acts and television shows, this is definitely what you believe.Another strawman. That isn't what I said.
Why is the glorification of pagan cultural practices by folk metal bands a problem?Wicca is not a cultural heritage. But again, I very clearly stated what I stated. The issue isn't nature themes in music. The issue is pagan and occult practices glorified in music.
Lol really. Give me a link of a fanatical Pagan trying to promote Paganism or complaining about a Pro-Christian bias of popular culture.A statement which tells me you didn't bother to do any research.
I don't do any 'research' in this because I am not obsessed with things like Reptilians and the Illuminati like a huge % of your sources are.
I regard the occult as being part of fantasy, just so you know. I'll ask again:Sidestep. My question was for you to explain what aspect of the fantasy genre you believed was being promoted via those particular album covers.
So do you actually believe that Kanye West, Rihanna and Black Sabbath are Satanists?
Seeing as your standards are so low for what constitutes satanic promotion, it does not surprise me that you think this.Irrelevant. The point is a percentage of album covers promote satanic theme, imagery, and ideology.
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