Why do Progressives follow the racist Jim Crow One-Drop rule

[Tuur]

disagree. Southern whites at the time would not have mentioned a black person that can write novels. Furthermore, the character that said it was the German.

It was far more complex than you think. If you're looking for a simplistic reason, you'll not find it.

 

[Daniel Peres]

It was far more complex than you think. If you're looking for a simplistic reason, you'll not find it.

I know how complex it is. I have a degree in Political Science with a concentration on American Politics. But anyway, my point is that Quentin Tarantino's motivation was simplistic. He wanted to shock people, and he really considers Alexandre Dumas to be black even though he only had one black grandparent.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I recall Barrack Obama answered the question on whether he considers himself white or black by saying
when he stops at a gas station in Chicago, he's seen as being black.

Yeah, he was raised by his mother and grandparents who are white. So, he identifies himself with
white people too. However, being half black, society views him as black and can't tell that he
has a white mother, unless they learn about him.

 

[Daniel Peres]

I recall Barrack Obama answered the question on whether he considers himself white or black by saying
when he stops at a gas station in Chicago, he's seen as being black.

Yeah, he was raised by his mother and grandparents who are white. So, he identifies himself with
white people too. However, being half black, society views him as black and can't tell that he
has a white mother, unless they learn about him.

It seems pretty obvious to me he is also white.

 

[RDKirk]

Well French passports include their ancestry, so it’s not all Europeans.

French law has always, however, still considered colonial subjects to be full French citizens, unlike other colonizer nations.

 

[RDKirk]

New Orleans was so racist that it actually has the record for the largest mass lynching. But it wasn’t blacks who were hanged. It was 11 Italians. The people of New Orleans did not even consider Italians to be white. After the incident Teddy Roosevelt wrote that the Mass lynching was a good thing.

Do you have a link to that? Because Roosevelt's other writings and actions would indicate differently.

 

[RDKirk]

I know how complex it is. I have a degree in Political Science with a concentration on American Politics. But anyway, my point is that Quentin Tarantino's motivation was simplistic. He wanted to shock people, and he really considers Alexandre Dumas to be black even though he only had one black grandparent.

Most black people call him one of us, too.

 

[RDKirk]

It seems pretty obvious to me he is also white.

It's not obvious to me. He's not particularly light-skinned or Euro-featured, compared to a great many of American descendants of slavery who have not had a full white person in their lineage for over a hundred years. His skin tone is the same as mine, for instance, and my last fully white ancestor was back in 1865.

Your experience in Cuba should tell you that much.

Unless you consider anyone with any Caucasian DNA to be white...the one-drop rule in reverse.

 

[RDKirk]

I recall Barrack Obama answered the question on whether he considers himself white or black by saying
when he stops at a gas station in Chicago, he's seen as being black.

Yeah, he was raised by his mother and grandparents who are white. So, he identifies himself with
white people too. However, being half black, society views him as black and can't tell that he
has a white mother, unless they learn about him.

Let's say that race is a social construct (which is an easy argument to make, inasmuch as we can even pin down when and how it was invented).

If race is a social construct, then it's entirely a matter of how society perceives a person. If society perceives a person as black, he is black, regardless how he identifies, because that's how social constructs work.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Let's say that race is a social construct (which is an easy argument to make, inasmuch as we can even pin down when and how it was invented).

If race is a social construct, then it's entirely a matter of how society perceives a person. If society perceives a person as black, he is black, regardless how he identifies, because that's how social constructs work.

Everyone has a first impression of a person when they see them. People of color have and identity among the majority
white society which stands out.

Go to China, and your race will identify you to other Chinese as soon as they look at you.

The problem becomes when we judge the person by that first impression. Things like, "a black guy, he
could be a criminal, I better keep my distance." The same happens in the reverse. I white man in a
black community is going to stand out and will often face discrimination there. I know, I was there in
Washington DC years back. There were black only night clubs where the black bouncers would not
allow my friends and myself in. We were easily identified as white guys.

 

[RDKirk]

Everyone has a first impression of a person when they see them. People of color have and identity among the majority
white society which stands out.

Go to China, and your race will identify you to other Chinese as soon as they look at you.

The problem becomes when we judge the person by that first impression. Things like, "a black guy, he
could be a criminal, I better keep my distance." The same happens in the reverse. I white man in a
black community is going to stand out and will often face discrimination there. I know, I was there in
Washington DC years back. There were black only night clubs where the black bouncers would not
allow my friends and myself in. We were easily identified as white guys.

They probably wouldn't have let me in either. It takes more than just being the acceptable color. Any male also must also be flashing the right "bling" and sporting the right "drip" so that they know you'll be spending enough money. How much gold did you have on display?

 

[Daniel Peres]

Everyone has a first impression of a person when they see them. People of color have and identity among the majority
white society which stands out.

Go to China, and your race will identify you to other Chinese as soon as they look at you.

The problem becomes when we judge the person by that first impression. Things like, "a black guy, he
could be a criminal, I better keep my distance." The same happens in the reverse. I white man in a
black community is going to stand out and will often face discrimination there. I know, I was there in
Washington DC years back. There were black only night clubs where the black bouncers would not
allow my friends and myself in. We were easily identified as white guys.

I know what you mean. I get racially profiled in airports for looking like a middle easterner, and I am not even a middle easterner.

I have a white friend who married a Nigerian woman. When he went to Nigeria to meet his mother-in-law the cops kept pulling him over every time they spotted his white head in a car, and he would have to pay them to avoid arrest.

My dad worked in Mexico for a while. Apparently they don’t have many white Hispanics there so he stuck out and he too was always being pulled over by the cops.

 

[Tuur]

I know what you mean. I get racially profiled in airports for looking like a middle easterner, and I am not even a middle easterner.

I have a white friend who married a Nigerian woman. When he went to Nigeria to meet his mother-in-law the cops kept pulling him over every time they spotted his white head in a car, and he would have to pay them to avoid arrest.

My dad worked in Mexico for a while. Apparently they don’t have many white Hispanics there so he stuck out and he too was always being pulled over by the cops.

My wife and I have been asked by American Indians if we are members of a specific Indian nation. Legally the answer is no. Genetically it's more iffy.

 

[BPPLEE]

When Barack Obama first emerged as a presidential candidate, I thought of his ethnicity similarly: With a black father and a white mother, he's biracial, equal parts "black" and "white".

What I saw during his presidency, though, was that a significant number of white American citizens were treating him as black, in the negative sense of "he's not one of us", "it's scandalous that a person like him should have power over white people", birther nonsense, etc. If your country is treating you according to the one-drop rule, and has been treating you this way for much of your life, then that's a particular experience you're living, and that experience is different from my life experience as a person with no recent African ancestry.

I'm not surprised that Cuban culture is different on this. Good for them.

What about all the white people who voted for him? He didn’t get elected from just minorities voting for him

 

[Daniel Peres]

My wife and I have been asked by American Indians if we are members of a specific Indian nation. Legally the answer is no. Genetically it's more iffy.

My ancestry.com dna results do show I have 1% North African and 1% Mauritania. However, I realized there is a flaw that n the way we read those reports. Does my report really show that I am part North African or do North Africans have some southern European DNA? After all, Cleopatra, an Egyptian, was genetically Greek.

 

[Daniel Peres]

What about all the white people who voted for him? He didn’t get elected from just minorities voting for him

This is an excellent point. I often tell people that while it’s true that whites owned black slaves, it was the whites that freed the slaves. In other words, whether people want to admit it or not, if the entire American white population wanted black slavery to continue then it would certainly have continued.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

What about all the white people who voted for him? He didn’t get elected from just minorities voting for him

Heck, I voted for Obama.

I was condemned to hell at CAF when it still had forums.

 

[Diamond72]

I have been confused as to why in America people like Barak Obama, Alicia Keys, Halle Berry, and Meghan Markle are considered black. It seems the racist one-drop rule is still in effect.

I see a lot of things to be a reflection of what they are free from but choose to be subject to. They want their own culture and identity and about the only thing that upsets them is if people do not recognize & respect that.

 

[Diamond72]

if the entire American white population wanted black slavery to continue then it would certainly have continued.

There were fighting and continue to fight against white slavery. People in the north consider someone that is only 1/8 black to be a white person. Yet in the south if their mother was a slave, they were a slave. Even if their father was their owner. Often black children and white children were raised together. 40% of the owners were women wanting someone to do their work for them.

 

[RDKirk]

Heck, I voted for Obama.

I was condemned to hell at CAF when it still had forums.

Obama was the first of six or seven serious black candidates who actually got the black vote. And Obama was not getting black votes until white Iowans voted for him.