Yes offended indeed and arrogant to think that man, a creature, has any say whatsoever on how God deals with His creation. I have yet to see how they interpret Romans 9.Just another man exalting man instead of God : why do these people hate God so much : They are so offended if God is in control of all things : especially them : Seems to be just the pride of man : though I don't know what they have to be proud about since they can do nothing !
Throughout scripture... when you reconcile the scriptures that talk about man's (free) will and predestination of or by God...And where in scripture is that taught?
Nah this is mans sinful tendency. To elevate himself as god. Definitely not scripturalThroughout scripture... when you reconcile the scriptures that talk about man's (free) will and predestination of or by God...
Guess some of you don't know how to do that though...?
God Bless!
Look I'm not gonna dig up "all the scriptures" and connect "all" the dots for you...Not sure why you assume this if it’s not scriptural
K, again, you explain to me why you think God is in control of "every little thing", and I'll respond, K...?Nah this is mans sinful tendency. To elevate himself as god. Definitely not scriptural
Gods commanding doesn’t equate to mans ability. You make the same God dishonoring claims as Pelagius. So amazed how this heresy is so widely accepted today. And how ignorant so many who promote free will sovereignty are blind to the fact they hold and believe this heresyQuite the opposite. Scripture clearly presents mankind as having free will. Hence the requirement to obey the Gospel.
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mk 16:15,16)
Only if sinners can freely respond to the Gospel could something be stated in this manner. So we see it illustrated on the day of Pentecost when Peter preached to all the Jews gathered in Jerusalem (Acts 2):
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. [THE GOSPEL]
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? [THE CONVICTION]
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. [THE COMMANDMENT TO OBEY THE GOSPEL]
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. [THE FREE RESPONSE]
I see no scripture in there...?Gods commanding doesn’t equate to mans ability. You make the same God dishonoring claims as Pelagius. So amazed how this heresy is so widely accepted today. And how ignorant so many who promote free will sovereignty are blind to the fact they hold and believe this heresy
God has ordained and decreed all things, including evilSo you just admitted that God is not responsible for the wicked deeds of men.
All Bible-believing Christians will acknowledge that God USES evil men for His own purposes. But He compels no one to sin and do evil. And that is exactly what you just admitted. Which means that God does not *decree* (order, command, authorize, demand) evil.
Reread the thread and many other threads relating to this topic. I’m sure I’m casting pearls before swineI see no scripture in there...?
Guess that must be your (own) (man's) reasoning or logic then, right...?
How is it God dishonoring again...?
Cause I think your point of view is...
God Bless!
If he was, (as I have said over and over and explained in this thread already), a perverted view of God's (absolute, extreme) sovereignty, leads to God being absolutely responsible for everything, including man's (our) sins, meaning God is the guilty one...Nah you are the one who said God doesn’t. So you prove from scripture God isn’t in control of every little thing
Your saying he (God) is the cause and source of all evil, and we are completely innocent of any and all wrongdoing...?God has ordained and decreed all things, including evil
Like I said you make the same claims any sinner would make. Romans 9, Paul rebukes such assertions and arrogance by anticipating your question. Although God decrees, man carries out what is decreed of him willingly. So therefore held accountable for his own sinful desires and actions. As in the case with Pharaoh. And the example of those evil men who carried out Christ’s murder. Is God unjust? Has not the potter have the right to do as He pleases with the clay? According to you He doesn’t. What is meant for evil in man, God means it for goodIf he was, (as I have said over and over and explained in this thread already), a perverted view of God's (absolute, extreme) sovereignty, leads to God being absolutely responsible for everything, including man's (our) sins, meaning God is the guilty one...
Are you claiming that... Cause you basically are...
And, if your not claiming that, can you explain how you "are not" claiming that...?
The burden of proof is on you, so you provide the scripture and I'll try to explain, if not, then I'm done here...
I would direct you to my posts #44, 47, 48, 49 for explanations, and also #158, 159, 225, 229, 231, 237,and 238 for the rest, along with many other responses by many other in and throughout this thread...
God Bless!
So, God knows what we are going to choose, before we choose it...? How does that make God (and not us) accountable...?Like I said you make the same claims any sinner would make. Romans 9, Paul rebukes such assertions and arrogance by anticipating your question. Although God decrees, man carries out what is decreed of him willingly. So therefore held accountable for his own sinful desires and actions. As in the case with Pharaoh. And the example of those evil men who carried out Christ’s murder. Is God unjust? Has not the potter have the right to do as He pleases with the clay? According to you He doesn’t. What is meant for evil in man, God means it for good
BTW, even Paul himself said He "had not counted himself to, as of yet, to have fully apprehended" (all)... yet... when he (they) was/were writing about such things...Like I said you make the same claims any sinner would make. Romans 9, Paul rebukes such assertions and arrogance by anticipating your question. Although God decrees, man carries out what is decreed of him willingly. So therefore held accountable for his own sinful desires and actions. As in the case with Pharaoh. And the example of those evil men who carried out Christ’s murder. Is God unjust? Has not the potter have the right to do as He pleases with the clay? According to you He doesn’t. What is meant for evil in man, God means it for good
Or how do you explain (cause I think Paul did know something about this) where Paul said things like "We (those chosen by God, chosen vessels of his) are slaves, but you (who are not) are free...?" And, "whatever state in which each one was called, let him so remain in it...?" (In Christ) (In the express will of God)... "Whether slave, or free"...Like I said you make the same claims any sinner would make. Romans 9, Paul rebukes such assertions and arrogance by anticipating your question. Although God decrees, man carries out what is decreed of him willingly. So therefore held accountable for his own sinful desires and actions. As in the case with Pharaoh. And the example of those evil men who carried out Christ’s murder. Is God unjust? Has not the potter have the right to do as He pleases with the clay? According to you He doesn’t. What is meant for evil in man, God means it for good
You will be for ever talking past those who make God responsible for all the sin and evil in the world and claim they are upholding God's *sovereignty*.So, God knows what we are going to choose, before we choose it...? How does that make God (and not us) accountable...?