Why do Leftists/Liberals support Muslims and not Christians?

[HELENz]

I'm a pagan, slightly left of center and I support neither radical Islam nor Fundamentalist Christianity. Actually I am against radical, fundamentalist anything. But that's just me.

You couldn't have said it better. I agree wholeheartedly!

(Except for the fact that I'm Christian... and possibly a little bit more left of center. I grow more and more liberal everyday... But that's not important. )

 

[Nathan Poe]

You just opened a can of worms.

On face value, it seems sometimes like they do that but their argument would be that they are moreso against American intervention in these radical Islamist affairs than they are in support of them.

Liberals support a sense of cultural relativism, though, which allows them to be more tolerant of Muslims.

it's actually quite simple -- if you spend decades kicking a dog, who's to blame when it turns around and bites you?

 

[JGG]

Honestly, I do not see much difference between extremist Christianity, and extermist Islam. I do not support either.

However, I have to regularly deal with Christians with extreme views on a regular basis, so the opportunity for me to speak against it comes up far more often. The most extreme version of Islam I have had to personally deal with is a woman who wore a headscarf, took part in prayer, and wouldn't eat lobster (which it turns out is also true for me). Other than that, the Muslims I know tend to have more moderate beliefs, or even secularist beliefs that allowed for mutual respect and comraderie. The same has not been true for Christianity. Not a surprise really, Muslims here are a minority, and there is more pressure to fit in, than show their dominance.

On the other hand, when my wife died, three of my Muslim friends attended the funeral, which was kind of interesting as she was Jewish. On the other hand, Christians sent me letters of congratulations. That might kind of tip the scales in their favour a little bit.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Honestly, I do not see much difference between extremist Christianity, and extermist Islam. I do not support either.

Same here -- I worry about raving loons more based on proximity than ideology.

 

[QuakerOats]

I don't support extremists of any religion or ideology.

 

[tulc]

Not if evidence is a guide.

...you presented evidence?
tulc(could you say which post that was?)

 

[tanzanos]

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[katautumn]

Total derail here, but tanzanos, I love this part of your signature:

Anyone believing that God made the human body perfect; has not experienced a toothache

Man, I have had a raging toothache since Friday. I'm finally getting in to see the dentist tomorrow afternoon. I was laying in bed shaking my fist in a violent, anguished rage the other night, wondering why we have nerves in our teeth. Not only that, but I'm convinced teeth have independent, sadistic brains. It's like they know it's a weekend and your dentist is closed, so they seize the opportunity to hurt. Or they know when you're about to go to sleep and that's when the pain kicks into high gear.

 

[QuakerOats]

Total derail here, but tanzanos, I love this part of your signature:



Man, I have had a raging toothache since Friday. I'm finally getting in to see the dentist tomorrow afternoon. I was laying in bed shaking my fist in a violent, anguished rage the other night, wondering why we have nerves in our teeth. Not only that, but I'm convinced teeth have independent, sadistic brains. It's like they know it's a weekend and your dentist is closed, so they seize the opportunity to hurt. Or they know when you're about to go to sleep and that's when the pain kicks into high gear.

I had the root in one of my teeth die several years ago. After the root canal, I jokingly asked my dentist if he could do it to all of my teeth. lol

 

[tanzanos]

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[Phinehas2]

DRD4Him,
Its fear. We know the answer, because Jesus Christ is the truth and an offense to the proud. People are scared of Islam so they tend to want to appease rather than lose things like possessions and confortable lifestyles.

 

[quatona]

DRD4Him,
Its fear. We know the answer, because Jesus Christ is the truth and an offense to the proud. People are scared of Islam so they tend to want to appease rather than lose things like possessions and confortable lifestyles.

Adorable logic.

 

[QuakerOats]

DRD4Him,
Its fear. We know the answer, because Jesus Christ is the truth and an offense to the proud. People are scared of Islam so they tend to want to appease rather than lose things like possessions and confortable lifestyles.

I don't fear Islam, and from what I've observed, neither do many others here who fall under the OP umbrella. Indeed, the only fear of Islam that I've observed has come from a number of folks like DRD4Him and yourself, keen on painting Islam and Muslims with as broad a brush as can be found. I find it disgusting, to be quite honest, and it certainly does nothing to compel me back to a more traditional Christianity.

 

[Phinehas2]

Quatona,

I don't fear Islam,

Good for you.

Indeed, the only fear of Islam that I've observed has come from a number of folks like DRD4Him and yourself, keen on painting Islam and Muslims with as broad a brush as can be found.

Sadly the evidence indicates you don’t understand Islam. As we spend so much time arguing about Christianity I am not sure we both understand that the same either.

 

[quatona]

Quatona,

Good for you.
Sadly the evidence indicates you don’t understand Islam. As we spend so much time arguing about Christianity I am not sure we both understand that the same either.

Not sure why you address me when responding to quotes that aren´t mine.

 

[QuakerOats]

Sadly the evidence indicates you don’t understand Islam.

I understand that the Islam you perceive is not the be all and end all of the religion. I've been acquainted with enough Muslims, in America and elsewhere, to know this to be true. I realize that for someone who may not have had such interactions it may be difficult to see, but if you go looking for the bad in everyone, it's no wonder.

As we spend so much time arguing about Christianity I am not sure we both understand that the same either.

I think you're right. The Jesus that I recognize appears to be much different from yours.

 

[tanzanos]

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[Phinehas2]

QuakerOats,

I understand that the Islam you perceive is not the be all and end all of the religion.

I am sorry but you are just generalising again., I would say the Islam you perceive is not representative, from the arguments I am giving

I've been acquainted with enough Muslims, in America and elsewhere, to know this to be true.

You see the thing is I have been acquainted with enough Muslims in the UK and in some Middle Eastern Islamic countries to know why you are saying is actually part of a deception. Not sure why you think Muslims in the west don’t want Sharia law when all Islamic countries have it in some form and Islam itself requires it.

but if you go looking for the bad in everyone, it's no wonder.

But I am not, it is Islam that I have an issue with, Islam isnt a person.

I think you're right. The Jesus that I recognize appears to be much different from yours.

or the one whose testimony is in the Bible. But in fairness that’s the division we are seeing between the two factions here, liberal and conservative call them what we will.

 

[QuakerOats]

I would say the Islam you perceive is not representative, from the arguments I am giving

The arguments you're presenting relate largely to some of the more conservative and extremist factions of Islam. I don't doubt your experiences with some of those Muslims in the UK and in the Middle East, but you're making it seem as though that's all there is - that there are no moderate or liberal Muslims, or even conservative ones that simply wish to live in peace.

or the one whose testimony is in the Bible. But in fairness that’s the division we are seeing between the two factions here, liberal and conservative call them what we will.

I'd be interested to know what you believe Jesus' testimony is, and why you think mine is quite different.

 

[DRD4Him]

And where is your evidence that everyone in this wide group of people supports oppressive Muslim regemes and oppresses Christians?

Reality.