Why do Leftists/Liberals support Muslims and not Christians?

[Skavau]

Assuming it to be a fact - The reason is: "Leftists" have lived under predominately Christian/Judeo-Christian/Deist (who'd identify their deity as the Judeo-Christian one) rule . . they don't like it because the world view conflicts with theirs (sins being wrong, more freedom - less government, laws that make sense . . . you know, everything the left hates). Leftists have not lived under Islamic rule and Moslems represent a rapidly breeding voting block. Leftists also believe that if Moslems vote for them now, it is because they have supporters who are Moslem, not Moslems who will quietly climb their ranks and subbvert their party. In short, the left supports Islam because they think they can control it and use the votes.

Christopher Hitchens would like a word. He does consider himself a leftist still.

And by the way, I hold Islam in far less regard than Christianity. For Humanist and secular reasons.

 

[Marek]

And you're Catholic?

Anyone care to fill me in?

I consider myself a cultural/secular Catholic. I was raised Catholic and identify with the traditions, history, holidays, etc., but just can't bring myself to believe all the supernatural stuff. Sorry for the confusion!

 

[lawtonfogle]

Protip - It's only in America that Catholics are largely aligned with conservative parties over moral issues. Other places, Catholics tend to be aligned with liberal parties over socioeconomic issues.

Is it also only in America that Catholics are generally considered not atheist?

 

[lawtonfogle]

I consider myself a cultural/secular Catholic. I was raised Catholic and identify with the traditions, history, holidays, etc., but just can't bring myself to believe all the supernatural stuff. Sorry for the confusion!

Got it.

 

[marlowe007]

When it comes to depictions of Islam, Hinduism, etc for a mass audience, we're still back in the 40s and 50s. The practitioners of these religions are always depicted as good and devout adherents to traditions worth preserving; when a Moslem, for instance, is presented as religious rather than secular, his 'simplicity' isn't the dangerous, hypocritical, brain-dead (read 'Christian') sort of simplicity - but the clear-eyed, unwaveringly moral, keeper of the flame sort of simplicity.

In other words, Christians are depicted as spittle-slavering headstone-defacers, while Moslems/Buddhists/Hindus are depicted as ascetic souls who inevitably wake up to find their sacred burial grounds have been horribly defaced during the night previous.

That's an odd sort of anti-clericalism indeed. Particularly when you ask one of the true believers of these Better Religions just what it is they truly believe about the traditional lib-left holies like women's equality and the inalienable right to gay marriage.

Part of me wants nothing more than to see the silver-spoon left get their wish: to eradicate the only religion that introduced the concepts of mercy and tolerance to the nations of the earth, thereupon to fall into the tender hands of these Underdog Faiths they champion so fervently. But as enjoyable as it would be to watch a Jihadist wearing Barbara Boxer's scalp like a Davy Crockett hat, or to hear NPR broadcasting the ear-splitting screams of the Sierra Club infidels as they enjoyed Shintoist interrogation techniques, or to throw every libertine to the Wahhabi wolves for some Sharia 'punishment', I'm not quite ready for wash my hands of civilisation just yet.

 

[quatona]

Why do the Leftists (liberals, progressives, atheists, pagans, marxists, western socialists and communists, south and central American socialists and communists, the Hollywood crowd, the press etc., etc.,) support Muslims and even Jihadist Muslims and repressive Islamic regimes and countries, but they are literally vitriolic and extremely oppositional towards Evangelical Christians???

I´m not sure I want Muslims to be given rights Evangelical Christians don´t have. Please fill me in.
I´m as oppositional to Islamic fundamentalism as I am to Christian fundamentalism.
I think both groups are entitled to their opinions and should be allowed the freedom to express them, but then I think I entitled to criticize their opinions, as well.

 

[kiwimac]

Well dont worry Wolfwing, we will all be out of here one day, then you can go crazy, and do whatever you want, and you wont have us pesky Christians to bother you.

Ah, another one dreaming of the Rapture for God to take them away from the messes they have helped create. Were I God, I'd leave you all in situ until you'd put things right!

 

[kiwimac]

When it comes to depictions of Islam, Hinduism, etc for a mass audience, we're still back in the 40s and 50s. The practitioners of these religions are always depicted as good and devout adherents to traditions worth preserving; when a Moslem, for instance, is presented as religious rather than secular, his 'simplicity' isn't the dangerous, hypocritical, brain-dead (read 'Christian') sort of simplicity - but the clear-eyed, unwaveringly moral, keeper of the flame sort of simplicity.

In other words, Christians are depicted as spittle-slavering headstone-defacers, while Moslems/Buddhists/Hindus are depicted as ascetic souls who inevitably wake up to find their sacred burial grounds have been horribly defaced during the night previous.

That's an odd sort of anti-clericalism indeed. Particularly when you ask one of the true believers of these Better Religions just what it is they truly believe about the traditional lib-left holies like women's equality and the inalienable right to gay marriage.

Part of me wants nothing more than to see the silver-spoon left get their wish: to eradicate the only religion that introduced the concepts of mercy and tolerance to the nations of the earth, thereupon to fall into the tender hands of these Underdog Faiths they champion so fervently. But as enjoyable as it would be to watch a Jihadist wearing Barbara Boxer's scalp like a Davy Crockett hat, or to hear NPR broadcasting the ear-splitting screams of the Sierra Club infidels as they enjoyed Shintoist interrogation techniques, or to throw every libertine to the Wahhabi wolves for some Sharia 'punishment', I'm not quite ready for wash my hands of civilisation just yet.

You might want to get a smaller brush.

 

[marklbernard]

Ah, another one dreaming of the Rapture for God to take them away from the messes they have helped create. Were I God, I'd leave you all in situ until you'd put things right!

I see Kiwi, and what specific mess have I myself helped to create???

 

[marlowe007]

You might want to get a smaller brush.

???

Not sure I follow you.

 

[SithDoughnut]

???

Not sure I follow you.

Over-generalisation is bad. Avoid it where possible.

 

[Husayn]

Why do the Leftists (liberals, progressives, atheists, pagans, marxists, western socialists and communists, south and central American socialists and communists, the Hollywood crowd, the press etc., etc.,) support Muslims and even Jihadist Muslims and repressive Islamic regimes and countries, but they are literally vitriolic and extremely oppositional towards Evangelical Christians???

Because evangelical Christians are dumb, by and large, Eastern/Oriental Orthodox is where it's at.

 

[Gishin]

Not if evidence is a guide.

You tend to show a profound lack of ability to interpret evidence.

 

[HasturX]

Not if evidence is a guide.

Which you are lacking.

 

[Verv]

Why do the Leftists (liberals, progressives, atheists, pagans, marxists, western socialists and communists, south and central American socialists and communists, the Hollywood crowd, the press etc., etc.,) support Muslims and even Jihadist Muslims and repressive Islamic regimes and countries, but they are literally vitriolic and extremely oppositional towards Evangelical Christians???

You just opened a can of worms.

On face value, it seems sometimes like they do that but their argument would be that they are moreso against American intervention in these radical Islamist affairs than they are in support of them.

Liberals support a sense of cultural relativism, though, which allows them to be more tolerant of Muslims.

They also are large supporters of diversity, and it is harder for them to criticize diverse groups. They want to hide the fact that they secretly want everyone to be identical to them and in actuality oppose Islam just as much as they oppose moderate Christendom.

This is a hard question to answer and litearlly books could be written on the topic.

I would probably be best off avoiding this thread as no doubt it will be the largest mud flinging fest since Woodstock.

 

[HasturX]

Part of me wants nothing more than to see the silver-spoon left get their wish: to eradicate the only religion that introduced the concepts of mercy and tolerance to the nations of the earth

Hahahah, are we going to pretend that these concepts didn't exist before christianity? Or that either of these concepts are actually christian only concepts? Your lack of tolerance shows the truth to that lie.

 

[katautumn]

Why do the Leftists (liberals, progressives, atheists, pagans, marxists, western socialists and communists, south and central American socialists and communists, the Hollywood crowd, the press etc., etc.,) support Muslims and even Jihadist Muslims and repressive Islamic regimes and countries, but they are literally vitriolic and extremely oppositional towards Evangelical Christians???

I, personally, have never had a negative interaction with a Muslim. I've never had one approach me in the store and tell me I was going to hell (I have, however, had a Christian do that to me in the past). I've never had one leave Muslim tracts in the Dungeons & Dragons booster packs at the local hobby shop. I have, however, opened packs of D&D figures and found Chick Tracts telling me how I was "satanic" for playing the game inside.

I will always defend someone who is unfairly being labeled. If a Muslim person proves themselves to be a royal jerk, then I just chalk it up to extreme fundamentalism. Unfortunately, I've had more bad interactions with Christians than Muslims. That's not to say that one is better than the other. Of course, I've also been around more Christians than Muslims. The problem is that Muslims tend to be unfairly marginalized, especially since 9/11. Did we not just have a state senator from South Carolina call a gubernatorial candidate a "raghead" because of her Sikh background, despite her converting to Christianity over a decade ago?

Do we not hear how "all Muslims want to kill Christians and Jews" or "all Muslims want to destroy America" or "they're going to take over the world!"? I don't so much support the oppressive ideology of Islam so much as I support the right to live peacefully and without people casting aspersion on them because of their race. For the most part, it's about racism, not objection to their religion. Little is said about Caucasian Muslim converts. It's always about "the Arabs".

 

[HasturX]

More cyber floggings today.

My first cyber persecution for standing for the faith wasn't enough!!!

Really op? Cyber floggings? Cyber persecution?

You create threads attacking people and you claim to be persecuted?

 

[MoonLancer]

Why do the Leftists (liberals, progressives, atheists, pagans, marxists, western socialists and communists, south and central American socialists and communists, the Hollywood crowd, the press etc., etc.,) support Muslims and even Jihadist Muslims and repressive Islamic regimes and countries, but they are literally vitriolic and extremely oppositional towards Evangelical Christians???

Why do right wing Christians want America to be a theocracy like the middle east? seems like you and extreme Muslims have a lot in common.

 

[kiwimac]

I see Kiwi, and what specific mess have I myself helped to create???

The same ones we all have, pollution, extinction of animal species, damage to the ozone layer, global warming, etc, et.al.