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See thank you THIS is useful in helping meNo. It wasn't until almost a thousand years that the Catholic church became similar to what you may know it as. And barely even that.
His main contribution was that he realized that Christians must cease being persecuted, but once he started befriending Christians, he realized they were also embroiled in a dispute of their own. The priest Arius had recently just popped up, teaching a new doctrine that Jesus was more created being than divine, and was against the Trinity. This was about to tear the church apart. Constantine, being a new believer, knew nothing of the details, but could see it wasn't a good situation. So he called all of the bishops of the day to convene and settle the matter. All he did was call a Council. That's hardly a "pope". He didn't even have very strong views about it. He just wanted them to settle this dispute and stop fighting. And he barely accomplished this. He didn't create some "one world religion" or unify much of anything. His own son turned out to be more Arian friendly, and undid a lot of his father's work. It took hundreds of years and a lot of see-sawing in church leadership until we finally got a lot of important matters settled on scripture canon, the nature of Christ, Trinity, etc..
All this guy did was help people stop getting killed, and thought the church's infighting was unseemly. He lent his power to put an end to some of it. That's it! All in all, it's actually pretty boring, and not the big conspiracy-fest that it's in B-quality Evangelical documentaries like "Wheat and Tares".
glad you know all menI'm afraid you're going to confuse him. Just mentioning the bishop of Rome circa 400 AD will make him think "Pope" again...even though he was far from that too.
edit: I mean, the good men of that office were hardly authoritarian, as they later became associated with.
I see, but you didn't answer my question so I'll ask one more time; Which faith community are you a part of?Gladly my friend
I believe the Word of God was made flesh and sent to earth
He told us important information that set things straight
He laid down His life for us He took our punishment
To believe in Christ is to be born again
One can not see the kingdom of God unless they are born again
We are all sinners and deserve hell but God is the most merciful indeed
i believe baptism should be a decision made by the person and shouldn't be made for them as in infant baptism
I believe the Bible as the inspired Word of God
Christ is litteraly the Word of God thus His Word is completely true
You can not get to heaven by works
Faith leads you to do good works
We should NOT practice circumcision as Paul who was Saul pointed out we are not under the law rather by being in Christ we astabish the law and need not flesh circumcision
There is one God
The one God sent first His Word then at the Word acceding to heaven and sitting at the right hand of God
God sent His Spirit (Holy Ghost) to be the Comforter for believers
To be persecuted or/and killed for Christs sake would be a honour
No need to fear death for this world is evil and in heaven is no evil why would anyone want to stay on earth longer then they have to
Christ told us to share the good news of the Gospel and it is our duty to do so
Christ is the head of the true church which is all true believers
Do not fear rebuke rather encurage it for its better to find out you error and get in line with truth then be in error
There is no way to heaven except through Christ
I hold that we are to love one another as Christ loves us
To be a leader one must be a servant the more you wish to lead the more of a servant you must be
Christ is to be loved above all including ones self and ones physical family
Mans traditions mean nothing To me because God is Spirit and God is to be worshipped in Spirit
I don't believe Christians should be political due to the fact we are just pilgrums on earth heading to our home in heaven so the politics of earth I see no point in
I have yet to find a institution which lines up Biblically or that can ease my worries about what I see them do thus I am not a part of oneI see, but you didn't answer my question so I'll ask one more time; Which faith community are you a part of?
This is a big reason I came to this websiteI see, but you didn't answer my question so I'll ask one more time; Which faith community are you a part of?
Everything I know Biblically I know from studying the Bible myself as no one around me that I found wished to study from anything but protestant or catholic prospectiveI see, but you didn't answer my question so I'll ask one more time; Which faith community are you a part of?
glad you know all men
I seek truth I hold nothing before truth
However NOT giving me the information I NEED to see the truth how do you expect me to know??
Simply writing me off and not helping me is turning your back on me when I seek truth
I had a misunderstanding that has been brought to light in speaking to Matt
The answer to that question depends on what you mean by "ALL". We do know that Christ reveals the Father. We also know that the Old Testament reveals all one needs to know for salvation. However, I don't think one can say that one can learn ALL one needs to know from scripture, Old and New, alone. In fact, that isn't even scriptural. Which leads to:the Word of God litteraly came to earth did he not reveal all we NEED to know?
I certainly respect that kind of zeal. It's very important that it is kept.Everything I know Biblically I know from studying the Bible myself.. I study because I seek to know the truth nothing more
When I say things many believe im being a jerk
I'm not trying to come off this way I'm speaking to my understanding and hoping if I error someone would be kind enough to correct me
Also you must understand before you mentioned the book that references Constantine I never knew of this as I stated before i know baccicly nothing on orthodox and when you didn't immediately counter my link with your information I had nothing to go on but what I already thought I knew I believe discussion should go like this
one person provides their information if the other disagrees they provided theirs and from this the truth can be known
otherwise the one in error is lost in their error until the new information is provided
I am on here to seek the truth nothing more I have no imagination that I know everything nor am above error
I can not know what I don't know without being shown what I don't know
Jack Chick tracts were my "comic books" when I was a middle schooler.
All is well my friend!That was a lighthearted comment to ArmyMatt, about even mentioning Rome could be dangerous. I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to write you off.
I can wholeheartedly understand your point this is my hurtles though perhaps you all can help me with them?The answer to that question depends on what you mean by "ALL". We do know that Christ reveals the Father. We also know that the Old Testament reveals all one needs to know for salvation. However, I don't think one can say that one can learn ALL one needs to know from scripture, Old and New, alone. In fact, that isn't even scriptural. Which leads to:
I certainly respect that kind of zeal. It's very important that it is kept.
However, it should be tempered by knowing that one can't learn what all the scriptures mean all by themselves.
In Acts chapter 8 there's a story of a man who was reading the scriptures alone and we have the following exchange, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?”
We all need guidance on our spiritual journey.
As mentioned in my first post in this thread; I grew up in an Independent, Fundamental, KJV Bible ONLY church that was about as anti-Catholic as one can ever be. Jack Chick tracts were my "comic books" when I was a middle schooler.
My journey to Orthodoxy began in that church.
It took me 40+ years to finally come home to the Church began by Christ and His Apostles. The church that the book of Acts records the beginnings of. The one that the NT epistles were written to. The one that assembled the oral tradition of Christ on earth into the four Gospels. I can think of no better place to take guidance from.
I hope and pray that some day you find your way home as well.
Christ the Ethiopian believed and was baptizedThe answer to that question depends on what you mean by "ALL". We do know that Christ reveals the Father. We also know that the Old Testament reveals all one needs to know for salvation. However, I don't think one can say that one can learn ALL one needs to know from scripture, Old and New, alone. In fact, that isn't even scriptural. Which leads to:
I certainly respect that kind of zeal. It's very important that it is kept.
However, it should be tempered by knowing that one can't learn what all the scriptures mean all by themselves.
In Acts chapter 8 there's a story of a man who was reading the scriptures alone and we have the following exchange, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?”
We all need guidance on our spiritual journey.
As mentioned in my first post in this thread; I grew up in an Independent, Fundamental, KJV Bible ONLY church that was about as anti-Catholic as one can ever be. Jack Chick tracts were my "comic books" when I was a middle schooler.
My journey to Orthodoxy began in that church.
It took me 40+ years to finally come home to the Church began by Christ and His Apostles. The church that the book of Acts records the beginnings of. The one that the NT epistles were written to. The one that assembled the oral tradition of Christ on earth into the four Gospels. I can think of no better place to take guidance from.
I hope and pray that some day you find your way home as well.
Our parish has a few "Liturgy for Children" books that use icons and imagery to help to follow along in the service. At some point, as a catechumen, I picked one up to follow along in the service and found it beneficial even as an adult.Sidenote: I don't know why Orthodox (or Catholics with their own styles, for that matter) don't make their own comic books.
I know it's not forbidden to use sacred icon styles at least. I once saw an Orthodox Children's bible that used art inspired from icons. It was nice. Wouldn't be awesome to see a bonafide "graphic novel" like this of the whole scriptures that could be enjoyed by both young and old?
edit: Speaking of that, the proclivity for Protestants to use any medium to teach or spread the basic message of the Gospel has to be admired.
I was totally in awe the first time I walked into an Orthodox Church. I was by myself and had no idea what to expect. The smell of incense, no pews, the chanting not to mention the visual imagery. People lighting candles and praying in front of icons. I just stood there taking it in trying not to do something stupidSo basically we look weird, therefore we're evil.
Old English font for the Orthodox and comic sans for protestants... is there a take-away there?I was totally in awe the first time I walked into an Orthodox Church. I was by myself and had no idea what to expect. The smell of incense, no pews, the chanting not to mention the visual imagery. People lighting candles and praying in front of icons. I just stood there taking it in trying not to do something stupid
I just assumed whoever created the meme was using a more stylistic font for the Orthodox compared to a more common font for Protestants which I think is consistent not only in how they each adorn their sanctuaries but down to their respective clergy's attire.Old English font for the Orthodox and comic sans for protestants... is there a take-away there?
Sidenote: I don't know why Orthodox (or Catholics with their own styles, for that matter) don't make their own comic books.
I know it's not forbidden to use sacred icon styles at least. I once saw an Orthodox Children's bible that used art inspired from icons. It was nice. Wouldn't be awesome to see a bonafide "graphic novel" like this of the whole scriptures that could be enjoyed by both young and old?
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