Why are Catholics and Orthodox treated differently by protestants?

[straykat]

3 the pope during the 3rd Reich called Hitler the "savior of Germany" (before I was saved I was a national socialist so I looked deep into catholicism since Hitler was catholic

I don't know this statement, but I'm willing to bet that it was because they first thought he'd be an ally against communism. A lot of people made that mistake.

But Catholics also were killed by Nazis too. You should keep that in mind as well. Some are even canonized saints in their tradition now (like Edith Stein, who was both Jewish and a nun who was killed at Auschwitz).

 

[tampasteve]

No, you did not say that it was only a minor difference, but you did conflate Holy Tradition with mere custom, i.e. traditions. Incidentally, this point may be one of the main problem areas existing between the faiths that the OP was asking about.

I think I know what you mean. However, the problem is that replacing any Sacrament or Tradition is going to turn out to be a custom or tradition as it will never carry the same weight. But yes, I agree, that does point to part of the problem existing between the two paths.

 

[straykat]

No matter your faith tradition, who here could deny this girl speaks with the words of Christ? Think about her when you think of Catholics. She's an Iraqi/Eastern Catholic. But this is the kind of Christian whom Christ wants us all to be like.

"Amen, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."

 

[FenderTL5]

...the Bible says there is only ONE mediator between man and God that is CHRIST..

The very same chapter with that phrase begins by saying, "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people.."
Mediator ≠ intercessor

I don't think "One mediator" means what you imply that it means.
Christ is the one mediator because since Adam, there has only been One who could bridge the gap between God and man, restoring man. The Incarnate Christ.
It was for us and our salvation that the Only Begotten Son, God, came down from heaven, was Incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man... God and Man, 100% God, 100% man, the only one to ever take that role as a ransom for all. Christ deified flesh/man when He ascended and sat down at the right side of the Father. That is what is meant by One Mediator.

It has absolutely nothing to do with who prays for whom.
If your notion were correct, then we are instructed to violate your principle by praying for one another numerous times throughout scripture, including the very chapter that the "one mediator" phrase is taken from.
That would make the scriptures false/suspect, even detrimental and God a liar.

 

[Gregory95]

what shred of evidence supports that St Constantine stayed pagan. please show anything from history that supports that.

if you have an issue calling priests Father, I suggest you read St Paul more closely.

 

[Gregory95]

what shred of evidence supports that St Constantine stayed pagan. please show anything from history that supports that.

if you have an issue calling priests Father, I suggest you read St Paul more closely.

what shred of evidence supports that St Constantine stayed pagan. please show anything from history that supports that.

if you have an issue calling priests Father, I suggest you read St Paul more closely.

This is

 

[straykat]

Regardless of Constantine's personal conduct, he saved Christians from further persecution in Rome and the empire itself DID turn Christian. Unless you like the sound of Christians burning, or statues of Mars and Jupiter to remain erected.. and all the surrounding gods of other pagans too? I don't really see the downsides here.

 

[bèlla]

I can appreciate the differences and leave everyone to their choice. As for me, I have no capacity to do the same. But that's a personal decision. I don't begrudge anyone their desire to do so.

 

[Gregory95]

what shred of evidence supports that St Constantine stayed pagan. please show anything from history that supports that.

if you have an issue calling priests Father, I suggest you read St Paul more closely.

Sorry my phone was messing up

This is just one thing

Honestly everything EXCEPT catholic history says he was not Christian and still worshipped the sun not the Son

Was the Emperor Constantine a True Christian or Was He a Secret Pagan?

Please address the rest of what I said

Also tell me would the true church of Christ wage a unholy war? I speak of the crusades

The head of the church is Christ Catholics say the head is the pope

If you say I error in what I say about Catholics please visit the Vaticans website

 

[Gregory95]

what shred of evidence supports that St Constantine stayed pagan. please show anything from history that supports that.

if you have an issue calling priests Father, I suggest you read St Paul more closely.

Also I ask this

Should Christs true church torture people I speak of what happened to the south Americans at the hands of catholics

 

[straykat]

Also tell me would the true church of Christ wage a unholy war? I speak of the crusades

It started off as DEFENSE. This was people's homes at stake (the Middle East were Christian lands). In the same breath, I see Protestants talk a lot of defending themselves too.

And sure, the best thing to do is turn the cheek.. but defending yourself isn't exactly a holy war either. It's somewhere in between.

Secondly, it went so awry that the West ended up attacking Orthodox too. So it's not like people here don't know how bad the Crusades were (especially the 4th Crusade). Protestants never experienced any of this, so I don't know why they're more angry than Orthodox. It was Constantinople that got pillaged and the crusaders raped nuns and then ended up placing a "joke" prostitute as the head of Constantinople and sat her on the patriarchal seat.

To his credit though, the Pope at the time excommunicated them. These people were animals. Not Christians. They killed and raped Christians.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I've never known a Baptist who believed all Lutherans and Pentecostals were going to Hell. I have known quite a few who believed Catholics and Orthodox were.

'End Times' conspiracy theorists on the Internet appear to be overwhelmingly protestant and usually believe the Antichrist or False Prophet will be the Pope. Orthodox are either completely ignored or regarded as being part of the same 'Church of Satan' or whatever they think will aid the Antichrist.

My Baptist family initially had zero respect for Orthodoxy. I was told I was 'playing with fire' by going to an Orthodox church. Less than 2 years later, they view it with roughly the same respect they hold for a typical non-denominational Bible Church.

I don't see anything in the Orthodox faith that would rule it out of the Body of Christ evangelicals believe in. Orthodox believe in the Trinity, that Christ is Risen, need for repenting of sins, abortion is murder, homosexuality is sinful, salvation cannot be bought, and that the Bible is the inspired word of God.
Sure we disagree on a large number of details, but so do Baptists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Calvinists, Reformed, and so on. In fact, Baptists alone disagree with other Baptists on a ton of issues. Exactly what belief are Orthodox and Catholics perceived to hold that makes us all damnable then?

I think the issues may be that their canon is different, and ECFs have more authority in the decision making process.

 

[mark kennedy]

I would think the Orthodox and Catholics are traditions classic reformed identify with, just have some major differences with.

 

[Gregory95]

yout misunderstood what I said

My issue is who they pray TO not who they pray FOR

The very same chapter with that phrase begins by saying, "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people.."
Mediator ≠ intercessor

I don't think "One mediator" means what you imply that it means.
Christ is the one mediator because since Adam, there has only been One who could bridge the gap between God and man, restoring man. The Incarnate Christ.
It was for us and our salvation that the Only Begotten Son, God, came down from heaven, was Incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man... God and Man, 100% God, 100% man, the only one to ever take that role as a ransom for all. Christ deified flesh/man when He ascended and sat down at the right side of the Father. That is what is meant by One Mediator.

It has absolutely nothing to do with who prays for whom.
If your notion were correct, then we are instructed to violate your principle by praying for one another numerous times throughout scripture, including the very chapter that the "one mediator" phrase is taken from.
That would make the scriptures false/suspect, even detrimental and God a liar.

 

[PlatinumTrophies]

I don't know this statement, but I'm willing to bet that it was because they first thought he'd be an ally against communism. A lot of people made that mistake.

But Catholics also were killed by Nazis too. You should keep that in mind as well. Some are even canonized saints in their tradition now (like Edith Stein, who was both Jewish and a nun who was killed at Auschwitz).

Romania siding with Germany at least gave it a fighting chance. Not a mistake if there is no alternative.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Also I ask this

Should Christs true church torture people I speak of what happened to the south Americans at the hands of catholics

and you would ask Orthodox this, and not Rome, why exactly?

 

[Gregory95]

I don't know this statement, but I'm willing to bet that it was because they first thought he'd be an ally against communism. A lot of people made that mistake.

But Catholics also were killed by Nazis too. You should keep that in mind as well. Some are even canonized saints in their tradition now (like Edith Stein, who was both Jewish and a nun who was killed at Auschwitz).

I deny not there is true believers in catholic church my issue is with the institution of the catholic church

If what you say is true then that means the pope was wrong

How is this when the catholic church at least USED to say the pope was infallible

 

[Gregory95]

and you would ask Orthodox this, and not Rome, why exactly?

My friend please read what I said I stated from the beginning what I say I say about CATHOLICS I never studied orthadox yet so I do NOT speak about them

 

[PlatinumTrophies]

Sorry my phone was messing up

This is just one thing

Honestly everything EXCEPT catholic history says he was not Christian and still worshipped the sun not the Son

Was the Emperor Constantine a True Christian or Was He a Secret Pagan?

Please address the rest of what I said

Also tell me would the true church of Christ wage a unholy war? I speak of the crusades

The head of the church is Christ Catholics say the head is the pope

If you say I error in what I say about Catholics please visit the Vaticans website

You protestants and your disdain for the crusades. I suppose we should be happy Egypt, Syria, and Turkey are now all Muslim.

 

[Gregory95]

and you would ask Orthodox this, and not Rome, why exactly?

We are told in the Bible you know men by their fruit (what they do)

Look at what the catholic church has DONE to see what they are