Who was Jesus

zoidar said:

I don't fully understand what you mean. Will we start doing greater miracles than Jesus in the Millenium?

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I think flesh and blood people will. You and I will be in the new bodies by then.

Isaiah11

1And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

Jesus is YHWH said:

These translation capture the meaning of the text in its CONTEXT.

New International Version
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

New Living Translation
Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,

New King James Version
but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.

King James Bible
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

God is Immutable. For Jesus not to have any Omni Attributes by default makes Him not God. You just described the heresy known as kenosis.

87.70 κενόω: to completely remove or eliminate elements of high status or rank by eliminating all privileges or prerogatives associated with such status or rank- Louw Nida Greek Lexicon

He self limited His divine prerogatives via the Incarnation as per Phil 2. In other words did not use them to His advantage but was in submission to the Father for 33 years to accomplish our salvation. All the FULLNESS of DEITY dwells in bodily form. Col 1:19;2:9. Jesus was and is fully God lacking nothing in His Deity.

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Even through Christ existed in the form of God He did not regard equality with God something that He needed to reach for or grasp. Why because it was already His and never gave that up for a millisecond.

Paul is using syllogisms from the text in Philippians 2.

Just as the term “form of God” in verse six does not mean “less than God” because of the phrase “equality with God" in the prior passage.

It goes to reason in the same way with the 2 phrases in the “form of a servant” and in the “likeness of man” in verse seven do not mean that Jesus was any “less than human,” but instead means He was the same or “equal with all humans.”

That is how the passage reads and how it is to be understood in its " CONTEXT ".

In Colossians 2:9 the Apostle Paul said, For in HIM (CHRIST) ALL of the “ fullness of deity dwells bodily. “Did Paul use the word fullness there to mean partially? NO as Jesus did not empty Himself of His Deity. Jesus Divinity is FULL, complete lacking in nothing. The ENTIRE Fullness of Deity dwells (is present) bodily in Jesus.

hope this helps !!!

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I just described what the Bible says.

In the Greek, forget translations, Jesus EMPTIED HIMSELF - the Greek word is Kenoo: to make empty, to make void, to make of no effect - Kenoo is where the word KENOSIS comes from.

You can call the Greek MSS heretical if you like - your choice.

zoidar said:

Mark 16 says "believers". It doesn't have to mean every believer.



How do you know this?



In John 14:12 Jesus says "he" "the believer", not the body of Christ or many believers.

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You can play semantics games if you wish.

‘He that believes’, is a term that includes every believer.

The body of Christ is comprised of all believers.

Mark 16 says, these signs shall follow THEM THAT BELIEVE, an all-inclusive term denoting ALL believers.

Nice try. No cigar.

Shalom.

Jesus is YHWH said:

These translation capture the meaning of the text in its CONTEXT.

New International Version
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

New Living Translation
Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,

New King James Version
but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.

King James Bible
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

God is Immutable. For Jesus not to have any Omni Attributes by default makes Him not God. You just described the heresy known as kenosis.

87.70 κενόω: to completely remove or eliminate elements of high status or rank by eliminating all privileges or prerogatives associated with such status or rank- Louw Nida Greek Lexicon

He self limited His divine prerogatives via the Incarnation as per Phil 2. In other words did not use them to His advantage but was in submission to the Father for 33 years to accomplish our salvation. All the FULLNESS of DEITY dwells in bodily form. Col 1:19;2:9. Jesus was and is fully God lacking nothing in His Deity.

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Even through Christ existed in the form of God He did not regard equality with God something that He needed to reach for or grasp. Why because it was already His and never gave that up for a millisecond.

Paul is using syllogisms from the text in Philippians 2.

Just as the term “form of God” in verse six does not mean “less than God” because of the phrase “equality with God" in the prior passage.

It goes to reason in the same way with the 2 phrases in the “form of a servant” and in the “likeness of man” in verse seven do not mean that Jesus was any “less than human,” but instead means He was the same or “equal with all humans.”

That is how the passage reads and how it is to be understood in its " CONTEXT ".

In Colossians 2:9 the Apostle Paul said, For in HIM (CHRIST) ALL of the “ fullness of deity dwells bodily. “Did Paul use the word fullness there to mean partially? NO as Jesus did not empty Himself of His Deity. Jesus Divinity is FULL, complete lacking in nothing. The ENTIRE Fullness of Deity dwells (is present) bodily in Jesus.

hope this helps !!!

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I think we need to be careful, kenosis itself is not heretical; but Kenoticism is. The kenosis is simply a description of God the Word's humility in becoming flesh. Christ gives Himself, empties Himself, pours Himself out in love and humility for our sake.

Kenoticism is heretical, because it takes kenosis and turns it into something it's not.

Kenosis actually demonstrates something important, it is part of God's own self-revelation of Himself in Christ; that God does not exploit what He is, but rather God gives Himself freely. In Christ we see God giving Himself away in love.

That is one of the dangers of Kenoticism, rather than it being about God's humility and lowliness it instead attempts to present Christ as somehow as becoming less-than God (in some sense) and thus rather than the Incarnation being a profound revelation of God Himself and His own way of relating to us, of His giving Himself to us in love, humility, and service--which is our very salvation and also the chief example of what, therefore, we ought to be as servants of Christ--it tears apart the Divinity and humanity of Christ, to present the suffering, humble, lowly Jesus as only being lowly "as a man", rather than Jesus being humble and lowly in His full, indivisible, and perfect Person.

The Incarnation is about the condescending of God, the lowliness of God, the weakness of God, the humility of God--God come down, God in our midst. God making Himself weak and lowly and suffering for us, out of His love for us. It is very God who was born of the Virgin Mary, it is very God who hang on the cross and died for the sins of the world.

Therein lay the tremendous error of Kenoticism. But we shouldn't deny the kenosis itself, as it is a vital part of what the Incarnation means: God's willing humility and humiliation, lowliness, weakness, even to the point of the shame, suffering, and death on the cross for the sake of wretched sinners. This is the very heart of the Gospel itself.

-CryptoLutheran

chad kincham said:

I just described what the Bible says.

In the Greek, forget translations, Jesus EMPTIED HIMSELF - the Greek word is Kenoo: to make empty, to make void, to make of no effect - Kenoo is where the word KENOSIS comes from.

You can call the Greek MSS heretical if you like - your choice.

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87.70 κενόω: to completely remove or eliminate elements of high status or rank by eliminating all privileges or prerogatives associated with such status or rank- Louw Nida Greek Lexicon

Thayers
to empty, make empty: ἑαυτόν ἐκένωσε, namely, τοῦ εἶναι ἴσα Θεῷ or τῆς μορφῆς τοῦ Θεοῦ, i. e. he laid aside equality with or the form of God (said of Christ)


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
empty, make void, be in vain.
From kenos; to make empty, i.e. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify -- make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain.

ViaCrucis said:

I think we need to be careful, kenosis itself is not heretical; but Kenoticism is. The kenosis is simply a description of God the Word's humility in becoming flesh. Christ gives Himself, empties Himself, pours Himself out in love and humility for our sake.

Kenoticism is heretical, because it takes kenosis and turns it into something it's not.

Kenosis actually demonstrates something important, it is part of God's own self-revelation of Himself in Christ; that God does not exploit what He is, but rather God gives Himself freely. In Christ we see God giving Himself away in love.

That is one of the dangers of Kenoticism, rather than it being about God's humility and lowliness it instead attempts to present Christ as somehow as becoming less-than God (in some sense) and thus rather than the Incarnation being a profound revelation of God Himself and His own way of relating to us, of His giving Himself to us in love, humility, and service--which is our very salvation and also the chief example of what, therefore, we ought to be as servants of Christ--it tears apart the Divinity and humanity of Christ, to present the suffering, humble, lowly Jesus as only being lowly "as a man", rather than Jesus being humble and lowly in His full, indivisible, and perfect Person.

The Incarnation is about the condescending of God, the lowliness of God, the weakness of God, the humility of God--God come down, God in our midst. God making Himself weak and lowly and suffering for us, out of His love for us. It is very God who was born of the Virgin Mary, it is very God who hang on the cross and died for the sins of the world.

Therein lay the tremendous error of Kenoticism. But we shouldn't deny the kenosis itself, as it is a vital part of what the Incarnation means: God's willing humility and humiliation, lowliness, weakness, even to the point of the shame, suffering, and death on the cross for the sake of wretched sinners. This is the very heart of the Gospel itself.

-CryptoLutheran

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Agree and the kenosis is not the emptying of God or His Attributes its the addition of humanity as a servant which is the humiliation being described in Philippians 2.

Kenosis is not the subtraction of Deity but the addition of humanity ie which lines up perfectly with the doctrine of the Incarnation.

BTW- do you have Martin Chemnitz's great work on the 2 Natures in Christ ?

Its a must have classic volume.

chad kincham said:

I just described what the Bible says.

In the Greek, forget translations, Jesus EMPTIED HIMSELF - the Greek word is Kenoo: to make empty, to make void, to make of no effect - Kenoo is where the word KENOSIS comes from.

You can call the Greek MSS heretical if you like - your choice.

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There's nothing wrong with the self-emptying of God the Son in becoming man. But at no point did the Eternal Word cease to be what He always was.

God was born of the Virgin Mary.
God was wrapped in swaddling clothes.
God walked by the sea of Galilee.
God was betrayed.
God was arrested.
God was beaten and spit upon.
God was nailed to the cross.
God died and was laid in a tomb.

The One we speak of, Jesus Christ, is true and very God.

He who suckled on Mary's breast is the One who spoke the stars into existence.
The One who cried out in suffering on the cross is the Same who rules as Lord Pantokrator, Almighty God, Melekh haOlam, the King of the Universe.

The Eternal, the Almighty, the All-Sovereign LORD Sabaoth weak, frail, humble, meek and mild, away in a manger, and crucified on Mt. Calvary. Our Lord Jesus Christ. Who is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

There's nothing wrong with the self-emptying of God the Son in becoming man. But at no point did the Eternal Word cease to be what He always was.

God was born of the Virgin Mary.
God was wrapped in swaddling clothes.
God walked by the sea of Galilee.
God was betrayed.
God was arrested.
God was beaten and spit upon.
God was nailed to the cross.
God died and was laid in a tomb.

The One we speak of, Jesus Christ, is true and very God.

He who suckled on Mary's breast is the One who spoke the stars into existence.
The One who cried out in suffering on the cross is the Same who rules as Lord Pantokrator, Almighty God, Melekh haOlam, the King of the Universe.

The Eternal, the Almighty, the All-Sovereign LORD Sabaoth weak, frail, humble, meek and mild, away in a manger, and crucified on Mt. Calvary. Our Lord Jesus Christ. Who is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

-CryptoLutheran

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Since you are Lutheran do you have Martin Chemnitz's great work on the 2 Natures in Christ ?

Its a must have classic volume.

Jesus is YHWH said:

Since you are Lutheran do you have Martin Chemnitz's great work on the 2 Natures in Christ ?

Its a must have classic volume.

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I haven't read it, but it sounds like something right up my alley.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

I haven't read it, but it sounds like something right up my alley.

-CryptoLutheran

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It sure is

I picked it up about 15 years ago. Its a gem.

ViaCrucis said:

There's nothing wrong with the self-emptying of God the Son in becoming man. But at no point did the Eternal Word cease to be what He always was.

God was born of the Virgin Mary.
God was wrapped in swaddling clothes.
God walked by the sea of Galilee.
God was betrayed.
God was arrested.
God was beaten and spit upon.
God was nailed to the cross.
God died and was laid in a tomb.

The One we speak of, Jesus Christ, is true and very God.

He who suckled on Mary's breast is the One who spoke the stars into existence.
The One who cried out in suffering on the cross is the Same who rules as Lord Pantokrator, Almighty God, Melekh haOlam, the King of the Universe.

The Eternal, the Almighty, the All-Sovereign LORD Sabaoth weak, frail, humble, meek and mild, away in a manger, and crucified on Mt. Calvary. Our Lord Jesus Christ. Who is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

-CryptoLutheran

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You’re just looking for an argument, apparently.

I said He didn’t cease or lose His divine nature, but divested Himself of all manifestation and power of being God.

And scripture never once calls Mary the mother of God, but the mother of Jesus.

Just plug the word God into the text, along with the definition of the word Kenoo and it’s undeniable:

God emptied Himself, made Himself void, and made Himself of no effect, to humble Himself, and take the form of a man.

What’s the emptied God look like? Jesus.

Show me one incident of Jesus healing the sick, making the lame walk, the blind to see, the deaf to hear, raising the dead, or casting out demons, before His baptism and being given Dunamis miracle working power from the HS.

Shalom.

He was both. He was God from all eternity, before the universe was created. At a point in time, He took on a human nature, becoming born too a human mother, while still retaining His divine nature. During the final years of His time on Earth, He repeatedly demonstrated that He was God, by constantly doing things only God could do.

chad kincham said:

You’re just looking for an argument, apparently.

I said He didn’t cease or lose His divine nature, but divested Himself of all manifestation and power of being God.

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I'm aware of what the kenoticist argument is, and it's false. He did not "divest Himself of all manifestation and power of being God".

And scripture never once calls Mary the mother of God, but the mother of Jesus.

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And Jesus is God.

Also, you forget Luke 1:43
"And why is this granted to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"

Who do you think Elizabeth's Lord was?
Here's a hint: Yahweh - Wikipedia

Just plug the word God into the text, along with the definition of the word Kenoo and it’s undeniable:

God emptied Himself, made Himself void, and made Himself of no effect, to humble Himself, and take the form of a man.

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But what He did not do was cease to be God in anyway, including "divest[ing] Himself of all manifestation and power of being God".

What’s the emptied God look like? Jesus.

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Correction, Jesus in His humility and suffering. The "emptied God" is the weakness, lowliness, suffering, humility as manifest in Christ. Not as a divesting of His Divine power, but as He Himself, God the Son and Word, becoming weak for us who are weak.

Show me one incident of Jesus healing the sick, making the lame walk, the blind to see, the deaf to hear, raising the dead, or casting out demons, before His baptism and being given Dunamis miracle working power from the HS.

Shalom.

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Begging the question fallacy.

Jesus didn't perform any miracles that we know of prior to the beginning of His public ministry because that was on purpose, within the unfolding of God's purpose and plan. The descent of the Spirit at His baptism in the Jordan is not Jesus receiving power, but the sign of the beginning of His public ministry--"Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world."

-CryptoLutheran

Freedom is nice. Bickering back and forth with someone’s knowledge over the other is just dead time. Then again I waste a lot of time in life who am I to say anything. It’s funny how Christians online anyway because you can get a huge collective together, and bicker and ya ya.

Even though we can see that God was with us here on earth through his son by his spirit that resided in him we see that God through the Lord Yeshua healed and brought new life into people who believed.

That goes even for the Apostles after his death even though was it Peter denied the Lord Jesus Christ three times, wasn’t he asked (who do you say I am, Peter?) and Peter replied you are the Son of God.

Jesus did not tell him no Peter I’m God. Did he in response?

When comes down the trinity and understanding of God people just have been taught what they have and they believe it and it’s part of their subjective subject of a side issue that are not a salvation issue, period.

Some will share with me before God was I am, but that is Yeshua explaining that he was with God before coming here and that he was from above. Unless you believe I am from above you’ll die in your sins, most people believe that the Lord Yeshua Christ came from above so what’s the big deal? (If anything they believe he was resurrected again as well)

We do see latter for the Bible scholars that the Lord Yeshua, when God becomes all in all, is transfigured into ie; The Lord God Almighty.

Jesus is YHWH said:

Jesus commanded His disciples to fear not !

He also said do not be afraid what man can do to you but fear God. Matthew 10:27-28

"Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful. John 14:27

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Romans 8:15

God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power, love and a sound mind. 2 Timothy 1:7

Perfect love casts out fear. 1 John 4:18

hope this helps !!!

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I agree with the Scripture but what then was the case of Jesus suffering in the garden, what caused him to sweat blood? He is 100% man is it unreasonable for a man knowing what he is going to suffer to experience some fear?

chad kincham said:

Jesus in fact says believers in a Him can do the same works He did, but by the same token even the apostles were rebuked for their unbelief when they failed to cast out a demon - and they had a mandate from Jesus to heal the sick, and cast out demons.

So having enough faith is a very important part of doing what Jesus did - in fact Peter walked on water, but for only a few steps before sinking.



That’s inaccurate.

I knew someone would challenge the truth.

I didn’t say His nature changed, but that to become a man He set aside all use and demonstration of divinity, and that He had to, because Mary would have died instantly with God in her womb, as human flesh cannot live in the presence of Gods glory and unapproachable light.

Scrpture, not me, says to become a man He EMPTIED Himself - Greek Word, Kenoo, to empty, to make void, to make of no effect.

Jesus gave up the glory of God, and asked for it back when He rose.

Jesus did not know all things as God does. He didn’t know when He would return, but said only The Father does.

Jesus did not start His ministry or do miracles of healing, raising the dead and casting out demons, until He received the Holy Spirit at Johns baptism - And Acts 10:37-38 says at His baptism He was anointed with the Holy Spirit and Dunamis POWER (miracle working HS power) and then did miracles,

The same Dunamis power that Stephen, not an apostle - used to do great miracles. Acts 6:8

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You have said "I didn’t say His nature changed, but that to become a man He set aside all use and demonstration of divinity, and that He had to, because Mary would have died instantly with God in her womb, as human flesh cannot live in the presence of Gods glory and unapproachable light." that is a self-refuting argument. Did Jesus die when He became a Man and had God in Him? Do we die when we are filled with the Holy Spirit? Are we not the temple of God? You also misunderstand kenosis. Jesus did not give up His power He humbled Himself. Jesus was God when He was the Word or second person of the Trinity, He was still God when He became Jesus.

Research Chalcedonian Creed[/QUOTE]

disciple Clint said:

I agree with the Scripture but what then was the case of Jesus suffering in the garden, what caused him to sweat blood? He is 100% man is it unreasonable for a man knowing what he is going to suffer to experience some fear?

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he did not sweat blood ... you speak as one who has authority of the scriptures and yet you have twice added your own reasoning in this one verse alone !

And having been in agony, He was praying more earnestly. And His sweat became like great drops of blood falling down upon the ground.

disciple Clint said:

You have said "I didn’t say His nature changed, but that to become a man He set aside all use and demonstration of divinity, and that He had to, because Mary would have died instantly with God in her womb, as human flesh cannot live in the presence of Gods glory and unapproachable light." that is a self-refuting argument. Did Jesus die when He became a Man and had God in Him? Do we die when we are filled with the Holy Spirit? Are we not the temple of God? You also misunderstand kenosis. Jesus did not give up His power He humbled Himself. Jesus was God when He was the Word or second person of the Trinity, He was still God when He became Jesus.

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Believe what you want.

Mary is not called the mother of God in scripture.

Explain just what God’s emptied Himself of, what was made of no effect, when He became a man.

Strongs exhaustive concordance:

G2758 (Strong)

κενόω

kenoō

ken-o'-o

From G2756; to make empty, that is, (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify: - make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain.

Total KJV occurrences: 5

It’s clear that you choose to ignore scripture.

Jesus absolutely walked the earth as a man, not as God, because He had to ask the Father for His glory back, when He rose.

He didn’t know all things. He didn’t know when He was returning to earth.

He didn’t start His ministry until baptized, and ANOINTED with Dunamis power to do miracles.

He told the Pharisees He cast out demons by the power of the Holy Spirit, so when they accused Him of casting its out by the power of Satan, He said they blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

But don’t let facts influence you.

@chad kincham


Philippians 2:1 If, then, any exhortation [is] in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of spirit, if any bowels and mercies,

2 fulfil ye my joy, that ye may mind the same thing -- having the same love -- of one soul -- minding the one thing,

• If there is any encouragement in Christ, comfort of love, if any fellowship of the spirit, and mercy, pauls joy is fulfilled. To stay in that mind to love God with all heart, mind and soul as well as their neighbor.

3 nothing in rivalry or vain-glory, but in humility of mind one another counting more excellent than yourselves --

• Don't rival or try make yourself out for vain glory yet, to be humble and hospitable towards others, in which is the most excellent way, do not consider yourself better than others. Instead count others higher than yourself.

4 each not to your own look ye, but each also to the things of others.

5 For, let this mind be in you that [is] also in Christ Jesus,

6 who, being in the form of God, thought [it] not robbery to be equal to God,

• Look not to your own things but look towards the things of others. Let that mind be in you in Christ Jesus. Who, being in the form of God (Expressed image of who God is), thought it not robbery to be equal with God.
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• (Obviously Yeshua said him and his father are one together).
• God, God's word, word made flesh, God spirit resides in after word made flesh, named Yeshua (Obvious)

7 but did empty himself, the form of a servant having taken, in the likeness of men having been made,

• Yeshua thought it better to be humble instead of high and mighty and exalt and emptied himself of those notions and took form of a servant, because he has become in the form of man.

8 and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death -- death even of a cross,

• Yeshua being found as a man humbled himself, and did not address himself as above anyone else, even after all the most amazing miracles he, God through him performed. He was obedient unto the Law even unto death, even of the cross.

9 wherefore, also, God did highly exalt him, and gave to him a name that [is] above every name,

10 that in the name of Jesus every knee may bow -- of heavenlies, and earthlies, and what are under the earth --

• Because of this God gave him the name above all names.

11 and every tongue may confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


Does going through in a verse by verse help any at all ?