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Jesus is one in will with the Father. They share the same love for and desire to save all humanity, for example. But His human flesh naturally recoiled at the foreknowledge He had of His passion-a fear we can certainly relate to. And that fact made His act all the more incredible- especially knowing He could've walked away from it- all the more an act of selfless, humble, and unfathomably deep love.

it was not the torture of his flesh that caused him anguish and his sweat to become like great drops of blood that fell down upon the ground, but his soul/kingdom he was to cast down ... we will never understand what he did, which in picture is what our Father did, understanding He knew the cost of building His house and therefor a lamb was slain from the foundation of this world , as in a price already paid ...
 
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The pharisees wanted to stone Jesus because he said he was God. I'll believe him when he says that he and the father are one.

Jesus believed the son of man is the son of God ... which is applicable to us all ...
 
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Psalm 82:6
Matthew Henry's commentary on the passage is instructive:

We have here,

I. Earthly gods abased and brought down, v. 6, 7. The dignity of their character is acknowledged (v. 6): I have said, You are gods. They have been honoured with the name and title of gods. God himself called them so in the statute against treasonable words Ex. 22:28, Thou shalt not revile the gods. And, if they have this style from the fountain of honour, who can dispute it? But what is man, that he should be thus magnified? He called them gods because unto them the word of God came, so our Saviour expounds it (Jn. 10:35); they had a commission from God, and were delegated and appointed by him to be the shields of the earth, the conservators of the public peace, and revengers to execute wrath upon those that disturb it, Rom. 13:4. All of them are in this sense children of the Most High. God has put some of his honour upon them, and employs them in his providential government of the world, as David made his sons chief rulers. Or, "Because I said, You are gods, you have carried the honour further than was intended and have imagined yourselves to be the children of the Most High," as the king of Babylon (Isa. 14:14), I will be like the Most High, and the king of Tyre (Eze. 28:2), Thou hast set thy heart as the heart of God. It is a hard thing for men to have so much honour put upon them by the hand of God, and so much honour paid them, as ought to be by the children of men, and not to be proud of it and puffed up with it, and so to think of themselves above what is meet. But here follows a mortifying consideration: You shall die like men. This may be taken either, 1. As the punishment of bad magistrates, such as judged unjustly, and by their misrule put the foundations of the earth out of course. God will reckon with them, and will cut them off in the midst of their pomp and prosperity; they shall die like other wicked men, and fall like one of the heathen princes (and their being Israelites shall not secure them anymore than their being judges) or like one of the angels that sinned, or like one of the giants of the old world. Compare this with that which Elihu observed concerning the mighty oppressors in his time. Job 34:26, He striketh them as wicked men in the open sight of others. Let those that abuse their power know that God will take both it and their lives from them; for wherein they deal proudly he will show himself above them. Or, 2. As the period of the glory of all magistrates in this world. Let them not be puffed up with their honour nor neglect their work, but let the consideration of their mortality be both mortifying to their pride and quickening to their duty. "You are called gods, but you have no patent for immortality; you shall die like men, like common men; and like one of them, you, O princes! shall fall." Note, Kings and princes, all the judges of the earth, though they are gods to us, are men to God, and shall die like men, and all their honour shall be laid in the dust. Mors sceptra ligonibus aequat—Death mingles sceptres with spades.
 
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Matthew Henry's commentary on the passage is instructive:

We have here,

I. Earthly gods abased and brought down, v. 6, 7. The dignity of their character is acknowledged (v. 6): I have said, You are gods. They have been honoured with the name and title of gods. God himself called them so in the statute against treasonable words Ex. 22:28, Thou shalt not revile the gods. And, if they have this style from the fountain of honour, who can dispute it? But what is man, that he should be thus magnified? He called them gods because unto them the word of God came, so our Saviour expounds it (Jn. 10:35); they had a commission from God, and were delegated and appointed by him to be the shields of the earth, the conservators of the public peace, and revengers to execute wrath upon those that disturb it, Rom. 13:4. All of them are in this sense children of the Most High. God has put some of his honour upon them, and employs them in his providential government of the world, as David made his sons chief rulers. Or, "Because I said, You are gods, you have carried the honour further than was intended and have imagined yourselves to be the children of the Most High," as the king of Babylon (Isa. 14:14), I will be like the Most High, and the king of Tyre (Eze. 28:2), Thou hast set thy heart as the heart of God. It is a hard thing for men to have so much honour put upon them by the hand of God, and so much honour paid them, as ought to be by the children of men, and not to be proud of it and puffed up with it, and so to think of themselves above what is meet. But here follows a mortifying consideration: You shall die like men. This may be taken either, 1. As the punishment of bad magistrates, such as judged unjustly, and by their misrule put the foundations of the earth out of course. God will reckon with them, and will cut them off in the midst of their pomp and prosperity; they shall die like other wicked men, and fall like one of the heathen princes (and their being Israelites shall not secure them anymore than their being judges) or like one of the angels that sinned, or like one of the giants of the old world. Compare this with that which Elihu observed concerning the mighty oppressors in his time. Job 34:26, He striketh them as wicked men in the open sight of others. Let those that abuse their power know that God will take both it and their lives from them; for wherein they deal proudly he will show himself above them. Or, 2. As the period of the glory of all magistrates in this world. Let them not be puffed up with their honour nor neglect their work, but let the consideration of their mortality be both mortifying to their pride and quickening to their duty. "You are called gods, but you have no patent for immortality; you shall die like men, like common men; and like one of them, you, O princes! shall fall." Note, Kings and princes, all the judges of the earth, though they are gods to us, are men to God, and shall die like men, and all their honour shall be laid in the dust. Mors sceptra ligonibus aequat—Death mingles sceptres with spades.

sorry i do not read commentaries ... can you sum it up for me
 
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You're obviously not illiterate so I see no need to sum up what Henry states so eloquently.

what Jesus said is sufficient for me ...

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law: 'I said you are gods'?
 
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Do you know/have you heard of anyone, prior to or since the 1st Century, who died and was buried (for days, months or years), who came back to life/walked out of their tomb alive afterwards?

What difference does that make?

Jesus said those who believe can do the same works as He did, and worldwide their are churches that believe in, and operate in, the gifts of the Spirit - which did not end when the apostles died - and in fact end only when Jesus comes and they aren’t needed anymore when we are with Him.

Shalom.
 
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Jesus did his miracles through the Holy Spirit. Why can't then all Christians walk on water? The Holy Spirit doesn't give the same gifts to everyone. Jesus had full authority given him by the Father, for the Holy Spirit to do exactly what he commanded.

Jesus in fact says believers in a Him can do the same works He did, but by the same token even the apostles were rebuked for their unbelief when they failed to cast out a demon - and they had a mandate from Jesus to heal the sick, and cast out demons.

So having enough faith is a very important part of doing what Jesus did - in fact Peter walked on water, but for only a few steps before sinking.

At no point did Jesus the Word stop being GOD or give up His powers as God. The Word became incarnate not non existent. Jesus was 100% GOD and 100% man. He had full power to do what He did and had no need of the powers of the Holy Spirit, Which are in fact His powers as well since there is only ONE GOD.

That’s inaccurate.

I knew someone would challenge the truth.

I didn’t say His nature changed, but that to become a man He set aside all use and demonstration of divinity, and that He had to, because Mary would have died instantly with God in her womb, as human flesh cannot live in the presence of Gods glory and unapproachable light.

Scrpture, not me, says to become a man He EMPTIED Himself - Greek Word, Kenoo, to empty, to make void, to make of no effect.

Jesus gave up the glory of God, and asked for it back when He rose.

Jesus did not know all things as God does. He didn’t know when He would return, but said only The Father does.

Jesus did not start His ministry or do miracles of healing, raising the dead and casting out demons, until He received the Holy Spirit at Johns baptism - And Acts 10:37-38 says at His baptism He was anointed with the Holy Spirit and Dunamis POWER (miracle working HS power) and then did miracles,

The same Dunamis power that Stephen, not an apostle - used to do great miracles. Acts 6:8
 
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Jesus in fact says believers in a Him can do the same works He did, but by the same token even the apostles were rebuked for their unbelief when they failed to cast out a demon - and they had a mandate from Jesus to heal the sick, and cast out demons.

So having enough faith is a very important part of doing what Jesus did - in fact Peter walked on water, but for only a few steps before sinking.

Maybe it should be possible for every believer to do the same miracles as Jesus, if we have faith enough, but then what did Paul mean in 1 Corinthians 12, saying we have different gifts?
 
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What difference does that make?

Jesus said those who believe can do the same works as He did, and worldwide their are churches that believe in, and operate in, the gifts of the Spirit - which did not end when the apostles died - and in fact end only when Jesus comes and they aren’t needed anymore when we are with Him.

Shalom.

Actually Jesus said: "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father." John 14:12

I'm not sure how to understand this. How could we do greater works, I mean what works would be greater?
 
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Maybe it should be possible for every believer to do the same miracles as Jesus, if we have faith enough, but then what did Paul mean in 1 Corinthians 12, saying we have different gifts?

What did Jesus mean when He said all believers can do the same works He did? John 14:12, and that all who believe can lay hands on the sick and heal them, in Mark 16?

There’s a general anointing all believers have, and a special anointing some get for a healing ministry.
 
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Actually Jesus said: "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father." John 14:12

I'm not sure how to understand this. How could we do greater works, I mean what works would be greater?

That means a greater number of works, because Jesus only had 3 years of doing miracles - vs the body of Christ having millions of believers doing the same works as He did, for 20 centuries or more.
 
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Actually Jesus said: "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father." John 14:12

I'm not sure how to understand this. How could we do greater works, I mean what works would be greater?

Jesus often speaks in terms of how things will be in the Millennium.I believe that when He was here the Millenium age had actually begun because He spoke about it in the present tense and demonstrated the power of it via His miracles.
 
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What did Jesus mean when He said all believers can do the same works He did? John 14:12, and that all who believe can lay hands on the sick and heal them, in Mark 16?

Mark 16 says "believers". It doesn't have to mean every believer.

There’s a general anointing all believers have, and a special anointing some get for a healing ministry.

How do you know this?

That means a greater number of works, because Jesus only had 3 years of doing miracles - vs the body of Christ having millions of believers doing the same works as He did, for 20 centuries or more.

In John 14:12 Jesus says "he" "the believer", not the body of Christ or many believers.
 
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Scrpture, not me, says to become a man He EMPTIED Himself - Greek Word, Kenoo, to empty, to make void, to make of no effect.

Jesus gave up the glory of God, and asked for it back when He rose.

Jesus did not know all things as God does. He didn’t know when He would return, but said only The Father does.

Jesus did not start His ministry or do miracles of healing, raising the dead and casting out demons, until He received the Holy Spirit at Johns baptism - And Acts 10:37-38 says at His baptism He was anointed with the Holy Spirit and Dunamis POWER (miracle working HS power) and then did miracles,

The same Dunamis power that Stephen, not an apostle - used to do great miracles. Acts 6:8

These translation capture the meaning of the text in its CONTEXT.

New International Version
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

New Living Translation
Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,

New King James Version
but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.

King James Bible
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

God is Immutable. For Jesus not to have any Omni Attributes by default makes Him not God. You just described the heresy known as kenosis.

87.70 κενόω: to completely remove or eliminate elements of high status or rank by eliminating all privileges or prerogatives associated with such status or rank- Louw Nida Greek Lexicon

He self limited His divine prerogatives via the Incarnation as per Phil 2. In other words did not use them to His advantage but was in submission to the Father for 33 years to accomplish our salvation. All the FULLNESS of DEITY dwells in bodily form. Col 1:19;2:9. Jesus was and is fully God lacking nothing in His Deity.

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Even through Christ existed in the form of God He did not regard equality with God something that He needed to reach for or grasp. Why because it was already His and never gave that up for a millisecond.

Paul is using syllogisms from the text in Philippians 2.

Just as the term “form of God” in verse six does not mean “less than God” because of the phrase “equality with God" in the prior passage.

It goes to reason in the same way with the 2 phrases in the “form of a servant” and in the “likeness of man” in verse seven do not mean that Jesus was any “less than human,” but instead means He was the same or “equal with all humans.”

That is how the passage reads and how it is to be understood in its " CONTEXT ".

In Colossians 2:9 the Apostle Paul said, For in HIM (CHRIST) ALL of the “ fullness of deity dwells bodily. “Did Paul use the word fullness there to mean partially? NO as Jesus did not empty Himself of His Deity. Jesus Divinity is FULL, complete lacking in nothing. The ENTIRE Fullness of Deity dwells (is present) bodily in Jesus.

hope this helps !!!
 
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Jesus often speaks in terms of how things will be in the Millennium.I believe that when He was here the Millenium age had actually begun because He spoke about it in the present tense and demonstrated the power of it via His miracles.

I don't fully understand what you mean. Will we start doing greater miracles than Jesus in the Millenium?
 
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