Happiness is not music or dance but peace that God gives us by following his path. Rock or heavy metal music is also forbidden by Christian priests.No real point other than I like other kinds of music outside of the church. And its another reason why I hope your Faith does not gain traction in the west, because I think it will be something of a kill joy.
Yes Islam is against secular music. Is there a point you're trying to make?
No real point other than I like other kinds of music outside of the church. And its another reason why I hope your Faith does not gain traction in the west, because I think it will be something of a kill joy.
Happiness is not music or dance but peace that God gives us by following his path.
Lebanon is, as I'm sure you know, seen as something of a model of interfaith tolerance in the Middle Eastern region, in which Christian artists (and, to be fair, most Muslims) have no problem singing religious songs and popular ones and not murdering or attempting to murder anyone in the process! But those who do go crazy about this issue think they are following the example of their prophet Muhammad, and there are some Islamic traditions which back this up.
So the permissibility of music has long been a source of tension within specifically Islamic cultures, and there are some Sufi traditions that allow it,
Yes I've heard vague saying about music etc. I didn't know pervasive the different attitudes are. Because I know, a certain amount of traditional music is allowed with all the belly dancing, veil dancing etc.
I did hear their is a special prohibition or taboo against the female voice (It's suppose to be a sing of End times corruption). So some Muslims might not like this video so much. (a good one for Easter).
the Sufi tradition has definitely been the most sympathetic and attractive tradition within Islam. That and a few other ones like the Ahmadi and probably a few other sects that are considered somewhat heretical by the Sunni majority.
Well even that music is not really 'traditional', in a sense. It is generally based around the maqamat, from what little I know (not a musicologist, but I have friends who studied bellydancing professionally), which marks it as secular folk music, such as is deemed not appropriate by the religion's hardliners. So that stuff would theoretically have to go, too.
It has been observed by people much smarter than me that Sufism most likely represents a development within Islam that probably came about via contact with Christianity, as it is much more inwardly focused than Islam usually is, and some Sufis even have saints in a way that is very roughly analogous to the Christian sense
Hadn't heard of this one before, no! Looks interesting. I'll have to search it out. Thanks!
Was that supposed to mean something? You could use your energy to make a real argument instead is writing unnecessary.Whelp...we've found the Salafist! How surprising
People doing something does not mean anything. Singing and listening to music is sin but not such as they should be killed for it. There have been so many Christians who have killed their babies and attributed the same to God. Infact maybe they are motivated by bible which tells you to dash babies against the wall and be blessed. Or punishing generations of people because of crime their forefathers committed. If you Wana have real debate why not tell me why your bible tells u to dash babies against wall and get blessed by doing that? Why people are to be killed for crime done by their forefathers and even livestock is to be killed? Also why God wanted 32 virgins for himself as per bible?Not to mention a 'kill-people' when they don't obey its laws, even ones over which there is some debate or controversy within the different streams of Islamic thought, such as this one. There was a documentary put out by the BBC a few years ago, I think just called "Music in Afghanistan" (I have it on DVD, but it's in storage), which talks about the place of music in Afghan society both pre- and post-Taliban, and there are a few stories in it that are absolutely shocking, such as when the family of Mahwash, a very famous female singer in Afghanistan since the 1960s, tried to poison her to get her to stop singing. If I recall correctly, similar danger was faced by Naghma, a more recent Afghan singer who is famous in the diaspora (though I think in that case it was that her brother tried to stab her; can't remember).
And this is not just a problem in Afghanistan or among tribally-minded Afghans. There was an Egyptian movie starring iconic singer and actress Om Kalsoum back in the 1940s that dealt with this same issue. It is not uncommon to read that a particular female singer who might've been quite popular secularly stopped singing upon "taking the veil", as they call it. This happened with the incredibly famous Egyptian singer and actress Shadia from the 1950s and 1960s (performed in over 100 films in that time). Also male popular singers do this, though obviously not by "taking the veil". The Lebanese pop singer Fadl Shaker stopped singing in 2011 after declaring his allegiance to Salafist ideas (who are on the more conservative/anti-music side) and participating in an armed conflict in South Lebanon in which Islamist militants killed nearly 60 people, including 18 Lebanese soldiers. He was sentenced to 15 years in prison by a Lebanese court for participating in the conflict, but has avoided jail by hiding out in a Palestinian refugee camp.
Lebanon is, as I'm sure you know, seen as something of a model of interfaith tolerance in the Middle Eastern region, in which Christian artists (and, to be fair, most Muslims) have no problem singing religious songs and popular ones and not murdering or attempting to murder anyone in the process! But those who do go crazy about this issue think they are following the example of their prophet Muhammad, and there are some Islamic traditions which back this up.
Well this is our perception and does not matter. I could question you the same way by saying no music is bad. If someone thinks music is bad or someone says it's ok or be totally fine with whatever music then it's their perception. It does not decide truth path of God. I was hoping to discuss bible and quran which is the actual stuff to talk aboutActually that is a Christian like sentiment!
But the other part of the statement is something I disagree with or object too. In that it reminds me of attending a Southern Baptist parochial school in my youth. It is reasonable to object to certain songs based on lyrics etc. but not really to do so based on an entire category. But that is what the Baptists did and in many ways they behaved like the Pharisees of the New Testament.
Also why God wanted 32 virgins for himself as per bible?
Isn't concubine a slave. What's the difference. Islam is far better than the Christian version. We can have another discussion on that.of the tabernacle and to help the Levite priestly tribe with their various duties. Unlike Islam, Yahew had strict rules for using such people as sex slaves, if the person wanted them for that he had to free them and either mary them or take them as a concubine
You missedExodus 21:7-11 New Living Translation (NLT)
Isn't concubine a slave. What's the difference. Islam is far better than the Christian version. We can have another discussion on that.
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