Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath? (2)

[Cliff2]

Not quite, Chris. Roger Williams, the first Governor of Rhode Island colony, was not a Sabbathkeeper, but he was a Baptist and later friendly towards Sabbathkeepers. The first Seventh Day Baptist Church in the American colonies was formed in Rhode Island in 1671; the building still exists and is a local historical landmark.

BrightCandle, I don't know the latest figures for Seventh Day Baptists worldwide, but I do know that we are on every continent except Antarctica. There are about five thousand SDBs in the United States and Canada, and I've heard there are even more in India and perhaps three thousand in Brazil. For more information you can visit the Seventh Day Baptist General Conference website at http://www.seventhdaybaptist.org/7db/Default_EN.asp

Shabat Shalom!

Can you tell me what the main difference between your Church and SDA's

 

[jochanaan]

Can you tell me what the main difference between your Church and SDA's

It's easier to detail the similarities. Apart from Jesus and the Sabbath, there aren't many.

As far as I can determine, the Seventh-day Adventists grew out of the Millerite movement, and still hold Ellen G. White in high esteem, although some do not consider Mrs. White a "prophet." By contrast, the Seventh Day Baptists grew out of the English Protestant Reformation. We do not recognize any human founder, only Jesus the Messiah as our Lord and Savior. There is no such thing as "joining the denomination;" you can join a local church if you have been baptized by immersion, then, if you move, you can transfer your membership to another SDB church. In contrast to the SDA's rather authoritarian denominational structure, the "executives" of the SDBs are considered to be responsible to us rather than in authority over us; any major decisions must be submitted to our annual General Conference.

There are very conservative Seventh Day Baptists, both politically and theologically; and there are also very liberal ones. Some speak in tongues; some shun tongues and other gifts of the Holy Spirit. It has been said of our denomination, "I'm not a member of any organized religion; I'm a Seventh Day Baptist!" And I for one like it that way; there's less chance for institutional tyranny or corruption.

That's why I have reacted so strongly to any characterizations of me or SDBs in general as legalists; few less legalistic Christian groups exist.

 

[Cliff2]

It's easier to detail the similarities. Apart from Jesus and the Sabbath, there aren't many.

As far as I can determine, the Seventh-day Adventists grew out of the Millerite movement, and still hold Ellen G. White in high esteem, although some do not consider Mrs. White a "prophet." By contrast, the Seventh Day Baptists grew out of the English Protestant Reformation. We do not recognize any human founder, only Jesus the Messiah as our Lord and Savior. There is no such thing as "joining the denomination;" you can join a local church if you have been baptized by immersion, then, if you move, you can transfer your membership to another SDB church. In contrast to the SDA's rather authoritarian denominational structure, the "executives" of the SDBs are considered to be responsible to us rather than in authority over us; any major decisions must be submitted to our annual General Conference.

There are very conservative Seventh Day Baptists, both politically and theologically; and there are also very liberal ones. Some speak in tongues; some shun tongues and other gifts of the Holy Spirit. It has been said of our denomination, "I'm not a member of any organized religion; I'm a Seventh Day Baptist!" And I for one like it that way; there's less chance for institutional tyranny or corruption.

That's why I have reacted so strongly to any characterizations of me or SDBs in general as legalists; few less legalistic Christian groups exist.

Thanks for that info.

 

[Cliff2]

Some Interesting
Facts Concerning the Sabbath

1. God the Creator (Christ - see John 1:1, 2, 14) blessed (Genesis 2:3) and sanctified (Exodus 20:11) the seventh day as the Sabbath.

2. It was given to Adam, the head of the human race (Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-2). Therefore, through him as our representative, to all nations (Acts 17:26).

3. Jesus says it was made for man (Mark 2:27); that is, for the human race, as the word man is here unlimited. Therefore, it was made for the Gentile as well as for the Jew.

4. It was made before the fall; hence it is not a type, for types were not introduced till after sin.

5. It was a part of God's law before Sinai (Exodus 16:4, 27-29). It is not a Jewish institution, for it was made 2,300 years before there was ever a Jew.

6. It is a memorial of creation (Exodus 20:11; 31:17). Every time we rest upon the seventh day, as God did at creation, we commemorate the grand event.

7. As the Sabbath was kept in Eden before the fall, so it will be observed eternally in the new earth after the restitution (Isaiah 66:22, 23).

8. The very first activity recorded in the Bible is work done on Sunday, the first day of the week (Genesis 1:1-5). This was done by the Creator Himself.

9. The Bible never calls it the Jewish Sabbath but always "the Sabbath of the Lord thy God."

10. God placed the 4th commandment into the heart of His moral law (Exodus 20:1-17). It has always been a part of the Ten Commandments.

11. After the Ten Commandments were given again to Moses on Mt. Sinai, it was sacredly preserved in the ark in the holy of holies. (Deuteronomy 10:1-5).

12. It is a sign of the true God, by which we are to know Him from false gods (Ezekiel 20:20).

13. God has pronounced a special blessing on all the Gentiles who keep it (Isaiah 56:6, 7).

14. After the holy Sabbath has been trodden down for "many generations," it is to be restored in the last days (Isaiah 58:12, 13).

15. When the Son of God came, He kept the seventh day all His life (Luke 4:16; John 15:10). Thus He followed His Father's example at creation.

16. It is interesting to note that Jesus was (1) crucified on Friday, (2) rested on Saturday (the seventh day Sabbath) as in the creation week, and (3) resurrected on Sunday (the first day of the week).

17. The seventh day is the Lord's day (Revelation 1:10; Mark 2:28; Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 20:10).

18. Christ vindicated the Sabbath as an institution designed for man's good (Mark 2:23-28).

19. Instead of abolishing the Sabbath (Matthew 5:17), He taught how it should be observed (Matthew 12:1-13).

20. Christ instructed His apostles that the Sabbath should be prayerfully regarded 40 years after His resurrection (Matthew 24:20).

21. The women who had been with Jesus kept the seventh day Sabbath after His death (Luke 23:56).

22. Luke, the inspired Christian historian, writing as late as A.D. 62, calls it "the Sabbath day" (Acts 13:44).

23. The Gentile converts called it the Sabbath (Acts 13:42).

24. Paul read the Scriptures in public meetings on the Sabbath day (Acts 17:2, 3).

25. There was never any dispute between the Christians and the Jews about the Sabbath day. They both kept the same day.

26. In all the accusations against Paul, they never charges him with disregarding the Sabbath day. Paul expressly declared that he had kept the law "Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caeser, have I offended any thing at all" (Acts 25:8).

27. The Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament 59 times, and always with respect, bearing the same title it had in the Old Testament, "the Sabbath day."

28. There is no record that God has ever removed His blessing or sanctification from the seventh day Sabbath.

29. Neither God or inspired men have ever said one word in favor of Sunday as a holy day.

30. The first day of the week is mentioned only eight times in entire the New Testament:
Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19
Acts 20:7. The only record or intimation in Scripture of any religious meeting held on the first day of the week (and this meeting was at night).
1 Corinthians 16:2. Paul directed the saints to look over secular affairs.

31. The Bible nowhere says that the first day of the week commemorates the resurrection of Christ. This is a tradition of men, which attempts to make void the law of God (Matthew 15:1-9) Baptism Commemorates the burial and resurrection of Jesus (Romans 6:3-5).

32. And finally, not a word is written anywhere in the entire Bible (Old and New Testaments) about the Sabbath being done away with or changed in any way.

(http://mcdonald.southern.edu/bible/script/sf.htm)

 

[ThreeAM]

It's easier to detail the similarities. Apart from Jesus and the Sabbath, there aren't many.

As far as I can determine, the Seventh-day Adventists grew out of the Millerite movement, and still hold Ellen G. White in high esteem, although some do not consider Mrs. White a "prophet." By contrast, the Seventh Day Baptists grew out of the English Protestant Reformation. We do not recognize any human founder, only Jesus the Messiah as our Lord and Savior. There is no such thing as "joining the denomination;" you can join a local church if you have been baptized by immersion, then, if you move, you can transfer your membership to another SDB church. In contrast to the SDA's rather authoritarian denominational structure, the "executives" of the SDBs are considered to be responsible to us rather than in authority over us; any major decisions must be submitted to our annual General Conference.

There are very conservative Seventh Day Baptists, both politically and theologically; and there are also very liberal ones. Some speak in tongues; some shun tongues and other gifts of the Holy Spirit. It has been said of our denomination, "I'm not a member of any organized religion; I'm a Seventh Day Baptist!" And I for one like it that way; there's less chance for institutional tyranny or corruption.

That's why I have reacted so strongly to any characterizations of me or SDBs in general as legalists; few less legalistic Christian groups exist.

I have spoken with 7th day Baptist in Austrailia and what you say about your denomination is quite true the teachings vary fairly widely from one congregation to the next. [Please , please don't take this wrong] We have one God with one true message, at times the SDB seem to have mutualiy exclusive beliefs how can this be? God doesn't disagree with himself does he?

 

[jochanaan]

We have one God with one true message, at times the SDB seem to have mutualiy exclusive beliefs how can this be? God doesn't disagree with himself does he?

Well, none of us are perfect! And none of us have perfect understanding of God's ways and Word, so it is possible that some of us are wrong about some things. But because none of us have this perfect understanding, we'll let the Lord sort it out on the Last Day, and meanwhile we'll accept each other as brothers and sisters.

 

[BearerBob]

unimportant.

 

[Cliff2]

Well, none of us are perfect! And none of us have perfect understanding of God's ways and Word, so it is possible that some of us are wrong about some things. But because none of us have this perfect understanding, we'll let the Lord sort it out on the Last Day, and meanwhile we'll accept each other as brothers and sisters.

At least there is one aspect that we do agree on and that is the 7th day Sabbath.

 

[Hospes]

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Saturday or Sunday?

 

[JimfromOhio]

Saturday or Sunday?

7th day of your working cycle... depending when you start your working cycle.

 

[brinny]

Whichever it is, it's a day of rest, which symbolizes the rest we have on an on-going basis through Christ.

 

[jochanaan]

7th day of your working cycle... depending when you start your working cycle.

Or when God started His.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Or when God started His.

God started on the FIRST day before man came up with a calendar.

 

[ThreeAM]

God started on the FIRST day before man came up with a calendar.

Yes God started work on the 1st day and rested on the 7th day. Its nice that man made his calendar to match God's counting of the days.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Yes God started work on the 1st day and rested on the 7th day. Its nice that man made his calendar to match God's counting of the days.

My work cycle starts on Monday....

 

[ThreeAM]

My work cycle starts on Monday....

Jim...you are not God.

Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.


Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

Interestingly those who were the closest to Jesus' rested on the Sabbath prefering to wait to the 1st day of the week to do the work of enbalming Christ. They rested on the Sabbath and were ready to work on the 1st day of the week. Hmmmmmm

 

[JimfromOhio]

Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.


Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

Interestingly those who were the closest to Jesus' rested on the Sabbath prefering to wait to the 1st day of the week to do the work of enbalming Christ. They rested on the Sabbath and were ready to work on the 1st day of the week. Hmmmmmm

FOR ME: It was on the first day of the week that Christ arose and so the first day, Sunday, came to be designated as the Lord's Day. On that day the early Christians gathered to worship (Acts 20:7; Revelation 1:10) as do we, and in doing so we celebrate Christ's resurrection. The Resurrection is celebrated every Sunday. The meaning of the resurrection must be rediscovered by each believing Christians till our Lord returns to earth again.

Therefore, my working cycle starts on Monday.

When Christ came, the picture of Sabbath was over and we entered the rest. In Romans 14:5-6: "One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it." In this passage, Paul allows for diversity in the church over the issue of Jewish holy days (i.e., the ceremonial sabbaths) because of the unique historical circumstances. When Jesus Christ died on the cross, the ceremonial aspects of the law (e.g., animal sacrifices, Jewish holy days, circumcision) were rendered obsolete and were abrogated. The Sabbath was made a perpetual covenant and sign between Jehovah and the Jewish nation.

Therefore in Romans 14 is basically saying, some people regard the day and some do not, and if a guy does, don’t offend him. If some still hung up on the Sabbath, don’t offend him. So, like, if he’s still hung up on pork, don’t force him to eat it a ham sandwich at a picnic. If you want to have Saturday your Sabbath day, you have God's blessing. If we want our Sabbath on our "7th" day, we have God's blessings. John 1:16 "From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another." As long as we have accepted Christ as our Lord and Savior by responding to the conviction of the Holy Spirit and Repent for our sins. There are many denominations because there are Christians who will follow their conscience, feelings, beliefs and personal worship preferences.

 

[ThreeAM]

FOR ME: It was on the first day of the week that Christ arose and so the first day, Sunday, came to be designated as the Lord's Day. On that day the early Christians gathered to worship (Acts 20:7; Revelation 1:10) as do we, and in doing so we celebrate Christ's resurrection. The Resurrection is celebrated every Sunday. The meaning of the resurrection must be rediscovered by each believing Christians till our Lord returns to earth again.

Jim can you show me a scripture that says Sunday is the Lord's day?

NASB Mat 12:8 "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."


Acts 20:7 does not use the term Lord's day and Rev 1:10 does use the term 1st day of the week. So you are jumping to conclusions that cannot be proven by the scriptures.

Therefore, my working cycle starts on Monday.

When Christ came, the picture of Sabbath was over and we entered the rest. In Romans 14:5-6: "One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it." In this passage, Paul allows for diversity in the church over the issue of Jewish holy days (i.e., the ceremonial sabbaths) because of the unique historical circumstances. When Jesus Christ died on the cross, the ceremonial aspects of the law (e.g., animal sacrifices, Jewish holy days, circumcision) were rendered obsolete and were abrogated. The Sabbath was made a perpetual covenant and sign between Jehovah and the Jewish nation.

The Sabbath predates the Ceremonial law and is the 4th commandment of the 10 commandments it is equaly important as thou shalt not kill and thou shalt not steal. The ceremonial law was added because of trangression of the Moral law.

Therefore in Romans 14 is basically saying, some people regard the day and some do not, and if a guy does, don’t offend him. If some still hung up on the Sabbath, don’t offend him.

And this is why you have made several sarcastic statements accusing people who choose to worship Christ on the 7th day Sabbath as being legalist???

So, like, if he’s still hung up on pork, don’t force him to eat it a ham sandwich at a picnic. If you want to have Saturday your Sabbath day, you have God's blessing. If we want our Sabbath on our "7th" day, we have God's blessings. John 1:16 "From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another." As long as we have accepted Christ as our Lord and Savior by responding to the conviction of the Holy Spirit and Repent for our sins. There are many denominations because there are Christians who will follow their conscience, feelings, beliefs and personal worship preferences.

Sunday is Not the Sabbath.


God blessed the 7th day the day that HE RESTED he made that day HOLY He did not make the other 6 days of the week HOLY. Notice in Exodus 16 He gave twice as much Manna on the 6th day of the week and NO Manna on the 7th day of the week for ALL of Israel. He did not let Israel pick and choose which day they wanted as the Sabbath. They all were to rest on the same day of the week...the 7th day Sabbath.

 

[YourChild]

This is a never ending debate. The Sabbath Day, dear friends, is Saturdayyyyyyyyy. All the people who are busy on Saturday will claim Sunday as the Sabbath Day. And all the people who don't feel like going to Church will say it is not important to keep the Sabbath Day. Pease forgive me if I have offended You in any way. Sometimes I think this site is useful for learning but it seems like I just get more and more confused because of all the different opinions and different ways that people are interpreting the Bible.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Jim can you show me a scripture that says Sunday is the Lord's day?

NASB Mat 12:8 "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."


Acts 20:7 does not use the term Lord's day and Rev 1:10 does use the term 1st day of the week. So you are jumping to conclusions that cannot be proven by the scriptures.




The Sabbath predates the Ceremonial law and is the 4th commandment of the 10 commandments it is equaly important as thou shalt not kill and thou shalt not steal. The ceremonial law was added because of trangression of the Morl law.



And this is why you have made several sarcastic statements accusing people who choose to worship Christ on the 7th day Sabbath as being legalist???



Sunday is Not the Sabbath.


God blessed the 7th day the day that HE RESTED he made that day HOLY He did not make the other 6 days of the week HOLY. Notice in Exodus 16 He gave twice as much Manna on the 6th day of the week and NO Manna on the 7th day of the week for ALL of Israel. He did not let Israel pick and choose which day they wanted as the Sabbath. They all we to rest on the same day of the week...the 7th day Sabbath.

The MAIN issue is this: If you really look at Hebrews 4 and 5, over and over again, the writer says we’ve entered into rest. We’ve entered into rest. When did they start meeting? The first day of the week. And, everyday became holy. And, they not only met the first day of the week, but in Acts, chapter 2, they met when? Everyday of the week! And, from day to day, from house to house, they were breaking bread, and sharing in the Lord’s table.

On thing I find interesting, the fourth commandment is the only one not repeated in the New Testament, because we have entered into that rest. It is fulfilled.