Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath? (2)

[ThreeAM]

The MAIN issue is this: If you really look at Hebrews 4 and 5, over and over again, the writer says we’ve entered into rest. We’ve entered into rest. When did they start meeting? The first day of the week. And, everyday became holy. And, they not only met the first day of the week, but in Acts, chapter 2, they met when? Everyday of the week! And, from day to day, from house to house, they were breaking bread, and sharing in the Lord’s table.

On thing I find interesting, the fourth commandment is the only one not repeated in the New Testament, because we have entered into that rest. It is fulfilled.

Christ fulfilled the whole law so does that mean its OK to Kill and steal etc.etc.etc.

I just gave you a verse where Christ's followers observed the Sabbath after His death.

Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto


Christ wanted baptism as part of the New Covenant so He was Baptized prior to confirming the New Covenant with His Blood. Christ wanted the Lord's Supper as part of the New Covenant so He shared the Lord's Supper with His disciples prior to sheding His blood confirming the New covenant.


Christ never ever said one word about Sabbath changing or that Sunday would be a new day of worship. If Sunday observance were going to be part of the New Covenant Christ would havemade the change prior to confirming the covenat with his blood.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Christ fulfilled the whole law so does that mean its OK to Kill and steal etc.etc.etc.

I just gave you a verse where Christ's followers observed the Sabbath after His death.

Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto


Christ wanted baptism as part of the New Covenant so He was Baptized prior to confirming the New Covenant with His Blood. Christ wanted the Lord's Supper as part of the New Covenant so He shared the Lord's Supper with His disciples prior to sheding His blood confirming the New covenant.


Christ never ever said one word about Sabbath changing or that Sunday would be a new day of worship. If Sunday observance were going to be part of the New Covenant Christ would havemade the change prior to confirming the covenat with his blood.

Christ never said anything specifically about Sabbath exept to clarify the tradition of Sabbath that were being taught. In Proverbs 21:2, "People may think they are doing what is right, but the Lord examines the heart." (NLT). When Jesus rebuked the Pharisees, He said: "They do all their deeds to be noticed by men" (Mt. 23:5). We are to observe the Sabbath EVERY DAY as 2 Timothy 1:9 says "Who has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time." In Mark 3:4 I love this quote when Jesus asked the Pharisees: "Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?" But they remained silent.

Worship and fellowship in a visible local Church and become deeply involved in the participation of a local assembly (Romans 12:1-8; 1 Corinthians. 12:25-31; 14:12, 26; Hebrews 10:24-25; I Tim. 3:14-15) are very important. . We should be judging ourselves rather judging others. God is not impressed by my appearance (1. Samuel 16:7). The Lord said to Samuel, "Don't judge by his appearance or height, for I have rejected him. The Lord don't make decisions the way you do. People judge by outward appearance, but the Lord looks at a person's thoughts and intentions (heart)." (NLT)

But again... Some Christians magnifies the faults of others and diminishes their graces, while it diminishes the faults and magnifies the graces of their doctrines. Its more fun for them to pick on those who do NOT practice the same way as they do.

 

[JimfromOhio]

It is not the day that is so important but the God who made it. Vance Havner

 

[ThreeAM]

Christ never said anything specifically about Sabbath exept to clarify the tradition of Sabbath that were being taught. In Proverbs 21:2, "People may think they are doing what is right, but the Lord examines the heart." (NLT). When Jesus rebuked the Pharisees, He said: "They do all their deeds to be noticed by men" (Mt. 23:5). We are to observe the Sabbath EVERY DAY as 2 Timothy 1:9 says "Who has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time." In Mark 3:4 I love this quote when Jesus asked the Pharisees: "Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?" But they remained silent.

Worship and fellowship in a visible local Church and become deeply involved in the participation of a local assembly (Romans 12:1-8; 1 Corinthians. 12:25-31; 14:12, 26; Hebrews 10:24-25; I Tim. 3:14-15) are very important. . We should be judging ourselves rather judging others. God is not impressed by my appearance (1. Samuel 16:7). The Lord said to Samuel, "Don't judge by his appearance or height, for I have rejected him. The Lord don't make decisions the way you do. People judge by outward appearance, but the Lord looks at a person's thoughts and intentions (heart)." (NLT)

But again... Some Christians magnifies the faults of others and diminishes their graces, while it diminishes the faults and magnifies the graces of their doctrines. Its more fun for them to pick on those who do NOT practice the same way as they do.

And Christ released the Sabbath from its MANMADE bonds. The Jews had made the Sabbath a burden Christ made the Sabbath a blessing again.

 

[Cliff2]

And Christ released the Sabbath from its MANMADE bonds. The Jews had made the Sabbath a burden Christ made the Sabbath a blessing again.

Jesus told us that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.

It is true that the Jews had made the Sabbath a burden. No blessings were to come by making it a burden.

Jesus turned things around for those who believed on Him and made the Sabbath a blessing.

 

[ThreeAM]

The MAIN issue is this: If you really look at Hebrews 4 and 5, over and over again, the writer says we’ve entered into rest. We’ve entered into rest. When did they start meeting? The first day of the week. And, everyday became holy. And, they not only met the first day of the week, but in Acts, chapter 2, they met when? Everyday of the week! And, from day to day, from house to house, they were breaking bread, and sharing in the Lord’s table.

On thing I find interesting, the fourth commandment is the only one not repeated in the New Testament, because we have entered into that rest. It is fulfilled.

1. There is no evidence of regular weekly sunday morning church meetings in the scriptures.

2. Can you show me biblical evidence that God has declared every day of the week is HOLY????

 

[JimfromOhio]

1. There is no evidence of regular weekly sunday morning church meetings in the scriptures.

2. Can you show me biblical evidence that God has declared every day of the week is HOLY????

Simply because on the first day of the week that Christ rose from the dead. On the first day, Sunday, came to be designated as the Lord's Day. On that day the early Christians gathered to worship (Acts 20:7; Revelation 1:10) as do we, and in doing so we celebrate Christ's resurrection. Its pretty clear.

Regarding Sabbath every day......Our Christian practice (life) starts in our hearts. Our thoughts are the product of our thinking and it is not our thinking that shapes our character, but the Holy Spirit that leads our thoughts and shapes our character. Regarding Sabbath day or The Day of the Lord or First Day of the Week, God meets us in our hearts. God is looking for Christians who will worship and obey Him from their hearts, minds and bodies. Without Christ, we are nothing. Along with love and under the control of the Holy Spirit, the power of love and Holy Spirit flows through us. The only way the spiritual gifts are going to operate is love. Love is the key. God is love. He gave us two commandments. We are to love God and others.

We are to be holy every time we breath. Ephesians 4:30 "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." Hebrews 12:14 "Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord." 2 Peter 3:11 "Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives."

 

[ThreeAM]

Simply because on the first day of the week that Christ rose from the dead. On the first day, Sunday, came to be designated as the Lord's Day. On that day the early Christians gathered to worship (Acts 20:7; Revelation 1:10) as do we, and in doing so we celebrate Christ's resurrection. Its pretty clear.

Regarding Sabbath every day......Our Christian practice (life) starts in our hearts. Our thoughts are the product of our thinking and it is not our thinking that shapes our character, but the Holy Spirit that leads our thoughts and shapes our character. Regarding Sabbath day or The Day of the Lord or First Day of the Week, God meets us in our hearts. God is looking for Christians who will worship and obey Him from their hearts, minds and bodies. Without Christ, we are nothing. Along with love and under the control of the Holy Spirit, the power of love and Holy Spirit flows through us. The only way the spiritual gifts are going to operate is love. Love is the key. God is love. He gave us two commandments. We are to love God and others.

We are to be holy every time we breath. Ephesians 4:30 "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." Hebrews 12:14 "Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord." 2 Peter 3:11 "Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives."

Jim the 7th day Sabbath is the only day of the week that has ever been set aside as a HOLY day. We are to follow Christ and become more Christ like. We are to be Christians 24/7 but God has designated the 7th day as a special day for Man to stop his daily routine of buying selling work etc. and to spend that whole day with him.

The 1st day of the week came to be callled the "Lord's Day" in post apostalic times. The true Lord's day is the 7th day sabbath not the 1st day of the week.

Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

 

[rstrats]

JimfromOhio,

re: "Simply because on the first day of the week that Christ rose from the dead. On the first day, Sunday, came to be designated as the Lord's Day. On that day the early Christians gathered to worship (Acts 20:7; Revelation 1:10)..."


Once again - not that it would matter even if scripture did say that the resurrection occurred on the first day of the week insofar as making that day a special day of worship - there is no incontrovertible scripture that says that the resurrection occurred on the first day of the week or for that matter that the apostles ever had a special day of worship on the first day of the week, much less that they did it every first day of the week.

Again, Acts 20:7 could merely be saying that the disciples got together to eat a meal on the first of the week and that Paul happened to be there to speak to them. The phrase, "to break bread", does not have to refer to a religious service - unless it is specifically stated - but to dividing flat loaves of bread for a meal. "It means to partake of food and is used of eating as in a meal...... The readers [of the original New Testament letters and manuscripts] could have had no other idea or meaning in their minds" (E.W.Bullinger, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, pp. 839,840.
Further examples of breaking bread to eat a meal are shown in Luke 24:30-35, Acts 2:46 and Acts 27:35. They broke bread every day of the week according to Acts 2:46. It says nothing about anything being done EVERY first day of the week. It relates the events of this one particular first day of the week, ONLY. It is not speaking of any CUSTOMS, but of events occurring as Paul and his companions concluded their seven-day visit in passing this town. Notice Acts 2:46; "And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they partook of food with glad and generous hearts" (RSV). Here again "breaking bread" means EATING A MEAL - and not only on the first day of the week, but DAILY.
Also, when Paul was shipwrecked on the voyage to Rome, the sailors had been fasting out of fright. But "Paul urged them all to take some food, saying, 'Today is the fourteenth day that you have continued in suspense and without food, having taken nothing. Therefore I urge you to take some food; it will give you strength...' And when he had said this, he took bread, and giving thanks to God in the presence of all he broke it and began to eat" (Acts 27:33-35, RSV). Here Paul broke bread to give to unconverted sailors who were hungry.

And as regards Revelation 1:10, there is nothing in the verse that identifies the "Lord’s Day" as the first day of the week.

 

[Cliff2]

Jim the 7th day Sabbath is the only day of the week that has ever been set aside as a HOLY day. We are to follow Christ and become more Christ like. We are to be Christians 24/7 but God has designated the 7th day as a special day for Man to stop his daily routine of buying selling work etc. and to spend that whole day with him.

The 1st day of the week came to be callled the "Lord's Day" in post apostalic times. The true Lord's day is the 7th day sabbath not the 1st day of the week.

Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Now we really need to understand that it was God who made the day holy.

Unholy man cannot make a day holy.

No where in the Bible has the first day of the week ever been made holy or even close to being made holy.

 

[jochanaan]

Christ never said anything specifically about Sabbath exept to clarify the tradition of Sabbath that were being taught...

A very good point! Do you suppose that's because He never meant to do away with it?

 

[JimfromOhio]

A very good point! Do you suppose that's because He never meant to do away with it?

Nor affirmed as other 9 commandments were mentioned.

 

[jochanaan]

...On the first day, Sunday, came to be designated as the Lord's Day. On that day the early Christians gathered to worship (Acts 20:7; Revelation 1:10) as do we, and in doing so we celebrate Christ's resurrection. Its pretty clear.

Clear? Hardly. The meeting in Acts 20:7 was a special occasion: Paul was leaving for Jerusalem the next day, and everybody was afraid the Jewish authorities would seize him and kill him when he got there. And the Lord's Day mention in Revelation 1:10 is more likely to refer to the Day of the Lord/Last Judgment/end of the Tribulation; it can hardly refer to any organized gathering since John the Beloved was alone on the isle of Patmos. The only other mention of the first day of the week is in I Corinthians 16, referring to a special collection the Corinthian Christians were gathering for their poor Jerusalem brethren. We take offerings in our services, but it's likely the first-century Christians did not consider collecting money an integral part of worship.

And as for the justification that "Sunday is the Lord's Day because Jesus rose on it," I find NO trace of that in the New Testament; only in the Church Fathers' writings, and that only from the second century onward. (Justin Martyr seems to be the first to speak of first-day meetings at all; the epistle of Clement that mentions it has been accused of being a forgery.) I do not doubt that these early leaders were wise men, nor that they may have been filled with the Holy Spirit; but what is clear is that, in this matter, they followed, not God's clear commands, but their own inventions.

(Sorry for the double post; I can't figure out how to put quotes from two previous posts in a single one of mine.)

 

[jochanaan]

Nor affirmed as other 9 commandments were mentioned.

Does the Lord need to repeat everything for our benefit? Obviously the "problem" of changing the day of rest and worship that we're arguing about had not even come up in Jesus' days. Why should Our Lord address it if it wasn't a problem?

 

[JimfromOhio]

Does the Lord need to repeat everything for our benefit? Obviously the "problem" of changing the day of rest and worship that we're arguing about had not even come up in Jesus' days. Why should Our Lord address it if it wasn't a problem?

Obvious some are into Law more than Grace.

 

[Linda63]

A very good point! Do you suppose that's because He never meant to do away with it?

God didn't "do away" with any of the commandments--including the Sabbath--He fulfilled them. Jesus IS our Sabbath--we rest in Him alone--not in some day of the week.

The Jews (unsaved) still observe the Sabbath at sundown on Friday night until sundown on Saturday night. The Sabbath day was not changed by the RCC or any of the Church fathers. The Sabbath was NOT given to the Church. We are under the "law of Christ" (Galations 6:2)

BTW--I am a born again, blood washed Jewish believer.

 

[ThreeAM]

God didn't "do away" with any of the commandments--including the Sabbath--He fulfilled them. Jesus IS our Sabbath--we rest in Him alone--not in some day of the week.

The Jews (unsaved) still observe the Sabbath at sundown on Friday night until sundown on Saturday night. The Sabbath day was not changed by the RCC or any of the Church fathers. The Sabbath was NOT given to the Church. We are under the "law of Christ" (Galations 6:2)

BTW--I am a born again, blood washed Jewish believer.

Linda think about it this way BEFORE sin raised its ugly head in this world Christ created the Sabbath day. The Sabbath is a memorial of Creation and the Creator. The 4th commandment tells us the reason the Sabbath was created.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The death and resurrection of Christ does not change the fact that Christ created this world.

If Christ saw fit to create the sabbath in a perfect world then surely He still sees the Sabbath as an important memorial to His creation of this world.

John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. The same was in the beginning with God. 3.All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

 

[Linda63]

Linda think about it this way BEFORE sin raised its ugly head in this world Christ created the Sabbath day. The Sabbath is a memorial of Creation and the Creator. The 4th commandment tells us the reason the Sabbath was created.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The death and resurrection of Christ does not change the fact that Christ created this world.

If Christ saw fit to create the sabbath in a perfect world then surely He still sees the Sabbath as an important memorial to His creation of this world.

John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. The same was in the beginning with God. 3.All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Go to this link to read my other post about the Sabbath:

http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=24198848&postcount=90

 

[BrightCandle]

God didn't "do away" with any of the commandments--including the Sabbath--He fulfilled them. Jesus IS our Sabbath--we rest in Him alone--not in some day of the week.

The Jews (unsaved) still observe the Sabbath at sundown on Friday night until sundown on Saturday night. The Sabbath day was not changed by the RCC or any of the Church fathers. The Sabbath was NOT given to the Church. We are under the "law of Christ" (Galations 6:2)

BTW--I am a born again, blood washed Jewish believer.

Of course we spiritually rest in Jesus 24/7, but we show resting in Jesus in a practical way when we also cease from secular work, set aside 24 hours as sacred time on the 7th day. The Sabbath is number 4 of the first 4 commandments that deal with man's relationship with God. It does not make sense that Jesus would write 10 Commandments in stone, only to do away them after He died on the cross for mandkind's sins. He didn't die on the cross to enable mankind to sin, which is what Sabbath breaking is, it is a sin. Sin is the transgression of the Law of God. The Jews were the "church" from the time of Abraham up to the founding of the Christian church by Jesus, just because the Jews and Romans were used by the devil to crucify Jesus doesn't take away any of the holiness of the Sabbath, or from any of the other 9 commandments for that matter. The last I heard, Baptists promote obediance to the Ten Commandments, except the Sabbath, which is inconsistent. Either they all stand as written by the finger of God, or they all are done away with. The Ten Commandments were written by the finger of Jesus, which would make it the "law of Christ" would it not?

 

[ThreeAM]

Go to this link to read my other post about the Sabbath:

http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=24198848&postcount=90

(1) The sabbath is a symbol of salvation rest in Christ (Heb. 4).

Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Heb 4 :10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

God rested from His work by creating the Seventh Day Sabbath.

The Sabbath was created BEFORE SALVATION was necessary. We all will worship on the Sabbath in Heaven.


Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

(2) The N.T. believer is not bound to keep the sabbath (Col 2:9-17).

These verses are refering to Feast day Sabbaths that were TYPES of Christ. The verses are not discussing the Seventh day sabbath that is a memorial of Creation. Thhe ceremonial laws were no longer needed after the cross. The Moral law is eternal and was written by God's own finger in stone.

(3) The N.T. believer has liberty in the matter of holy days (Ro 14:1-23).

Those who teach that the sabbath is binding upon the Christian, are going contrary to what the Apostles taught.

These verses are again discussing feast days and cermonial laws. Notice the frequent references to food. Cereminal laws discuss food. The Ten Commandments say NOTHING about food. You use the verse out of context.

Why, then, did Jesus keep the Sabbath? He kept the sabbath for the same reason He kept all the other Mosaic laws. He also observed the feasts. Jesus did these things because He was born a Jew, born under the law, that He might fulfill it and redeem His people from its penalty and bondage (Ga 4:4; Ro 9:5).

Christ kept the commandments because He loved God we should do the same.

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.