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As there is nowhere in the Bible that says living people will be taken to heaven, then your hope for a rapture before anything bad happens, will not be realized.
However, we are told to trust in Him, as you are doing and He promises to save and protect all who call on Him in the Day of wrath. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. 51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
You are arguing over a contradiction, over a verse that shouldn't be in the scriptures.
As there is nowhere in the Bible that says living people will be taken to heaven, then your hope for a rapture before anything bad happens, will not be realized.
However, we are told to trust in Him, as you are doing and He promises to save and protect all who call on Him in the Day of wrath. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
We're arguing over Matthew 27:50-53.
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Yes, but I don't think the bible details any more than what it says in those verses, what happened to those persons after being seen. In verse 50-51 is at the time of the crucifixion; 52-53 is three days later at Jesus's resurrection. I think it could be that them resurrected from being dead was a witness of Jesus's resurrection. But whether those person went to heaven or maybe paradise is not said.
You're making a fool of yourself. Your own quote says "many bodies". I highlighted it for you in blue....and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; ...
The bible is not referring to those resurrected as "many."
I already explained this to you, and any reasonable person would agree with me. It's obvious that you're so desperate to prove your rapture theory that you go to extreme lengths to stretch the truth.2) How do you know those resurrected appeared to many in an earthly city?
You're the one claiming something that the Bible doesn't even say, so the onus of proof is on you. All I have to do is accept what the Bible says.The bible said they went to the holy city. You still haven't answer the question I've asked a week ago. Show me any evidence the large number of people in Matthew 27 walked the earth after being resurrected 2000 years ago.
Now you're getting angry over semantics. That's obviously what I meant. Don't be so obtuse.No!!! His words were included in his quote. I never quoted him or his words. See how blind you are?
It would be nice if you actually had some evidence for your outrageous claims.It would be nice if you understood the things you read and not make so much errors.
As I said, the onus of proof is on you since you're the one using this passage as evidence of your rapture theory.Lastseven,
If the bible can document just one person: Lazarus living on earth after his resurrection, why can't you find just one single verse about a large group of people resurrected in Matthew 27:50-53 living on earth too?
Do you think for once you can actually prove those people resurrected in Matthew 27:50-53 lived on earth after their resurrection?
Bible verse, internet or Youtube, any proof at all?
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Knowledge, common sense, and an open mind, didn't you read my response to Lastseven?What credentials can you produce which allows you to make such a claim?
This is like kindergarten Word study. Why don't you people read the book, since your salvation depends on it? I have read thru mine at least 8 times, from cover to cover.2 Timothy 3:16........
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness".
God said ALL and you said ........" contradiction, over a verse that shouldn't be in the scriptures."
No, I said because they appeared to many it sounds like earth. And there's nothing that makes it sound like heaven.That's your argument? Because they appeared to many, it has to be earth?
lol. Is that supposed to prove they went to heaven? The fact that there are many angels?Your thinking is obviously flawed. How many angels do you think are in heaven? One!?
You'd better watch your tone. I don't like to report posts but if you don't settle down I might have to.More knucklehead logic filled with flaws.
I never said that. I said if they went to heaven they would first have to be transformed, and since it doesn't say they were transformed they were probably not transformed.So you're saying if the dead are resurrected, they can only be alive if they stay on earth but if they're resurrected and appeared in heaven, they stay dead?
I find it fascinating how your mind works. Even though the Bible clearly says that they went into the holy city after the resurrection (which everybody knows is Jerusalem) you don't believe that to be definitive enough to say they stayed on earth, but you seem to think it definitively says they went to heaven. It's like some kind of mental detour through wonderland.Oh yeah that's sound concrete evidence they stayed on earth because the bible didn't say they received a spiritul body either. Just assume they all recieved an earthly physical body even though the bible doesn't mentioned that either.
It is an assumption on my part, that's true. But at least it's a reasonable assumption based on clues and common sense, unlike yours which is based on nothing.More flaws and assumptions. You sure draw many imaginations from reading just a few words: "saw the earthquake and the things that had happened."
This is scriptural and correct.Correct. It says that "In the twinkling of an eye we will be changed"!
"The dead will rise 1st, then we who are left, those believers who are alive will be changed".
The living will be glorified as was Jesus and along with the glorified resurrected dead, be with the Lord forever.
Having studied and written many articles on the subject of God's Day of wrath, I understand it quite well.Correct. And that statement that you just made is reason your theology is so far off. You simply do not understand the meaning of the phrase...Day of Wrath.
And the "Day of Wrath" is when God pours out His indignation on sinners during the 7 year Tribulation which is described in Joel and Acts which is a quote of Joel.
The wrath of God is a fearsome and terrifying thing. Only those who have been covered by the blood of Christ, shed for us on the cross, can be assured that God’s wrath will never fall on them. “Since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through Him!”!!!!----- Romans 5:9.
This is scriptural and correct.
But when it is thought it means going to heaven, then, that is wrong.
You rapture believers just infer that.
1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is a passage about Eternity, after the Millennium, when God Himself will dwell on earth with mankind, in their new glorified state. Proof of this is that Death is no more then, Revelation 21:4
Having studied and written many articles on the subject of God's Day of wrath, I understand it quite well.
But I see you don't know about it so well, as you make the mistake of saying it will last for 7 years.
Yes, we Christians will be saved and protected on that terrible Day of fiery wrath. Not removed to heaven as you like to think.
Knowledge, common sense, and an open mind, didn't you read my response to Lastseven?
This is like kindergarten Word study. Why don't you people read the book, since your salvation depends on it? I have read thru mine at least 8 times, from cover to cover.
Just because God says all scripture is God-breathed doesn't mean everything in scripture is from God. That's just common sense. You are to read thru scripture with an open mind using line upon line, precept upon precept, to correctly interpret it. The scriptures are not without fault. And it wasn't God who determined what should and should be in this collection of books.
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
This is so embarrassing.
Douggg,
The opening of the graves was the testimony of Jesus' resurrection.
Paul stated that Paradise is a place in heaven and he knew of someone "caught up" into the third heaven. This is clearly heaven.
2 Corinthians 12:1-4 New King James Version (NKJV)
1 It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
On Jesus' last day on earth when He died on the cross, He told the thief he would be with Him in Paradise, today!
Today as in the day He died on the cross.
Luke 23:42-43 New King James Version (NKJV)
42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” 43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
The saints in the grave were also resurrected on the day that Christ died on the cross.
Matthew 27:50-53 New King James Version (NKJV)
50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. 51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
The theif on the cross and the large group of people in Matthew 27 were all resurrected on the same day, the day that Christ died on the cross. Put all the pieces together, they obviously went to heaven. Makes no sense the thief on the cross goes to heaven and everyone else resurrected stays on earth.
If still in doubt, just prove the large number of people in Matthew 27 that were resurrected walked the earth.
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I guess I deserve it for casting my pearls before ungenuines.You are correct but embarrassing is really not the correct word. Do you think before you post????
Honestly, have you actually read the Bible......at all?
Look at what You just said............
"Just because God says all scripture is God-breathed doesn't mean everything in scripture is from God."
Then you said..........
"And it wasn't God who determined what should and should be in this collection of books."
And that is exactly why your comments and theories are so unbelievable. You have no credibility to make comments about a book which you by your own admission do not believe to be the Word of God.
This is really a lot more than embarrassing for you my friend then you realize. Most people can not really post what they think about your theology as it would cause you to report them for "flaming" or some other such reason.
I guess I deserve it for casting my pearls before ungenuines.
Pro 29:9 If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest.
What we have here is a man who is speaking about something he has no clue about, speaking as if he knows for sure.
The pinnacle of folly.
Never mind the fact that God himself warns against the taking away from and the adding to the Word.
Wow!
Here's the thing.Matthew 25:31,32 ...........
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory. And before him shall be gathered all nations"
Carefully notice that Jesus is going to sit upon His throne in Jerusalem when He returns, and the nations of earth will be gathered before Him to be judged. How can this fact be reconciled with 1st Thessalonians 4:17, which states that the saints will be caught up together to meet with the Lord in the air?
Technically yes, but you're ignoring what Jesus said about the timing of the resurrection. He said it would be on the last day, which means there is no pre-trib resurrection.In sharp contrast, according to 1st Corinthians 15:52 there WILL BE a resurrection at the time of the Rapture.
Jesus would not separate the saints twice. This only happens on the last day, which is the day of the lord.Why would Jesus separate the saints TWICE? That is, why would Jesus Rapture the saints into the air, and then regather the SAME people a short time later when He arrived on the earth? Do you see the dilemma of the Postribulation heresy?
Do you think God decided what should and should not be in this collection of books?Look at what You just said............
"Just because God says all scripture is God-breathed doesn't mean everything in scripture is from God."
Then you said..........
"And it wasn't God who determined what should and should be in this collection of books."
Sheol is a place located into the lower parts of the Earth, not in Heaven.With that, add Ephesians 4:8-9...........
"Therefore He says: When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men.”
Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? "
The "Captivity" were the Old Test. saints in the Paradise side of Sheol. Jesus took the captives, to Captivity which would have been with Him to heaven.
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