Where in Revelation is a Rapture Mentioned?

[Major1]

There is no scripture that specifically says the thousand years are not literal, but seeing as more than a thousand literal years have already passed since we began to reign with Christ, it's clearly not literal.

So perhaps you should be asking, where is the proof that we already reign with Christ? If I could show you that would you then understand?

You look around at the world and see war, death, disease, abortion, homosexuality, hospitals full of sick people, jails full of criminals and you think that we are reigning with Christ???????

You believe that Christ is ruling today?????

My friend, what kind of medication are you takeing. The church, Christians are not ruling anything and in fact there is NO power being exerted on the world today by Christians or the church.

Ephesians 2:2 ..........

" in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience".

2 Corinthians 4:4..........

" In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

Satan's scheme includes promoting false philosophies in the world—philosophies that blind the unbeliever to the truth of the Gospel. Satan’s philosophies are the fortresses in which people are imprisoned, and they must be set free by Christ.

Then we will know the truth which will set us free.

 

[Major1]

Well, technically that's true, but nobody's actually claiming that Christians replaced Israel. Rather, we've become citizens of Israel, and those who rejected Christ have lost their citizenship in Israel.

That is clearly in scripture. Does your Bible not have Ephesians 2? Maybe your Bible is defective.

NOPE. The Bible is the Word of God. The problem comes when men try to make it say what they want it to say instead of accepting what it actually does say.

There is not one single word in Ephesians that says the church has replaced Israel. What is does teach us though is that the Jew and Gentile both have the same access to God through the Son the Lord Jesus Christ. We are all on the same footing are equal in the sight of God.

Today, the Gentiles are fellow citizens with the New Test. Jewish saints and we all belong to the family of God through Christ. That relationship is not in Israel or the USA but is instead in heaven.

Philippinas 3:20......
"For our conversation is in heaven from whence also we look for the Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ".

That in not way suggests that the Nation of Israel has been eliminated and the Church absorbed it.

Have YOU read Romans 11:1?????? If it is not in your Bible allow me to quote it for you..........
"Hath God cast away His people? God forbid! ..........God has not cast away His people which He foreknew".

 

[Major1]

Sorry, but I don't see it. When Paul says "all" he means "all", as in all people. He never said "all believers". We all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. There is absolutely no indication anywhere that this is not the same judgment as described in Revelation 20.

In fact, the context is clear that this is for both the righteous and the wicked for he says "so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad." And the saints are washed clean, which means there is no record of anything bad we've done.

You've failed to show me any scripture that backs up your claims, and in fact all the scriptures you produce support my position.

God bless you my friend. All I can do is post the Scriptures for you.

 

[Major1]

Really? "And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust."

Again, that sounds like one resurrection to me. One resurrection of both the just and unjust.

It doesn't say "two" anywhere in there. It says "a".

Twist it anyway you want to. Anyone can read what you just wrote and see the foolishness of your comment.

 

[Riberra]

Satan's scheme includes promoting false philosophies in the world—

You mean philosophies like

-Messianic Salvation is now being preached in the Churches choirs in the Protestant type Churches as meaning "being taken to Heaven (Rapture)before the tribulation"

-The wrath of God is confounded with Tribulation.


-Many believe that the book of Revelation is not addressed to the Christians who will be alive during the Last Generation.

 

[keras]

I would suggest that you post the Scriptures which denounce the Rapture instead of focusing on who believes what.

Denouncing the rapture theory is easy; the idea of a rapture removal to heaven of the Church simply isn't in scripture.
What I do promote is the truth of God's plans for His people, of their protection during the forthcoming terrible Day of wrath and then their going to live in all of the holy Land. ALL the prophesies say this and to think otherwise is error.

Using writings that support the truths of scripture is fine, as long as we don't use them to support false teachings.
The true Church of God, His chosen, His elect are and always have been the Israel of God. Your saying that God will restore the Jewish State of Israel to faith in Him, is wrong and unscriptural. Jews have the same chance for salvation as anyone else. Many have become Christian, but the rest.....Isaiah 22:14, Luke 19:27
We all know why you must hold to a separate Church and Israel; the rapture theory is impossible in the One people of God truth.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The Hope of our salvation is Jesus and in Him alone.
Joel 2:32 and Acts 2:21 both say if we call out to Him on the Day of wrath, He will save us. Not by removal, but by protection.

Then why are the dead saints crying out to God for vengeance at the fifth seal?

The Saints in Heaven: - The Fifth Seal:

• Revelation 6:9-11

The Fifth Seal Opened

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, do you not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little while, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

• Revelation 20:4

And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands

• Revelation 7:14 and Revelation 7:9

14 "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" ... 9 "A great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues,

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Also, the antichrist will make war with the saints and overcome them (i.e. kill them). This is what leads to the event we see in the 5th seal.

"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." (Revelation 13:7).

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;" (Daniel 7:21).

"And...a little horn...waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them." (Daniel 8:9-10).

I don't like causing upset, but won't it be extremely upsetting to be still stuck on earth when the SHTF?

No. There would be no anger at GOD. I would be to blame for the wrong interpretation and not God. But that's not going to happen, though. I am just telling you what I would do in a hypothetical scenario.

Also, I do not think a Christian should use such words even in abbreviation, either. It is un-Christ like and inappropriate. For it is written...

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers." (Ephesians 4:29).


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[keras]

Neither one of the verses you posted said anything about ...."The day of Wrath".

Did you look up Joel 2:32 and Acts 2:21?
The context of both is clearly and indisputably referring to the Lord's Day of wrath.
Once again I ask for your apology and retraction.

 

[keras]

Then why are the dead saints crying out to God for vengeance at the fifth seal?

The dead martyrs cry out for vengeance against their murderer's. Then in the, soon to happen, Sixth Seal the Lord takes vengeance and later in Revelation 19:1-3 they praise Him for their vindication.
Note that the Day of wrath is what comes next, as Jesus has fulfilled Isaiah 61:1-2a, Isaiah 2b-11 is our future.

 

[LastSeven]

You look around at the world and see war, death, disease, abortion, homosexuality, hospitals full of sick people, jails full of criminals and you think that we are reigning with Christ???????

How is any of that relevant to Jesus' reign? You do realize that during the thousand years there is still sin, right? Scripture makes that abundantly clear.

You believe that Christ is ruling today?????

Of course. He told us that he's reigning and then Paul also confirmed that he's reigning and we with him. Why would I not believe what they said? And why would you not? Don't you believe the Bible to be true?

Ephesians 2:2 ..........

" in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience".

Ya, Satan's still walking around. What's your point?

 

[LastSeven]

Twist it anyway you want to. Anyone can read what you just wrote and see the foolishness of your comment.

Really? The scripture says there is "a resurrection" and you claim that means "two resurrections" and I'm the fool?

 

[Major1]

Did you look up Joel 2:32 and Acts 2:21?
The context of both is clearly and indisputably referring to the Lord's Day of wrath.
Once again I ask for your apology and retraction.

OK.
I am very sorry that you are unable to see the teachings of God which He has placed in front of you.

It is my prayer that you will be effected by 2 Corinthians 3:14.......
"But their minds were blinded for until this day remainth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament which veil is done away in Christ".

I do not have to look up Joel or Acts.

Joel is very clear in that Paul quotes from this verse in Romans 10:13, transferring the reference to the Messianic advent, to prove the universality of the deliverance effected by our Lord, who abolished the difference between Jew and Greek. In His Church, the heavenly Jerusalem, freed from the persecutions and defilements of the world, there is salvation for all who call upon the name of the Lord, their names are inscribed upon the roll as citizens of Zion.

Acts 2:21 tells us the same thing. Whosoever shall call - In the midst of these wonders and dangers, whosoever should call on the Lord should be delivered agrees with Joel. The name of the Lord is the same as the Lord himself. It is a Hebraism, signifying to call on the Lord, Psalm 79:6; Zechariah 13:9.

 

[miamited]

Really? "And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust."

Again, that sounds like one resurrection to me. One resurrection of both the just and unjust.

It doesn't say "two" anywhere in there. It says "a".

Hi LS,

There will be two resurrections. It's pretty clearly explained in the Revelation itself. We are told that there will be a resurrection of the righteous and they will then live with Christ for 1,000 years. But the unrighteous stayed in their graves. Then it tells us after the 1000 year reign of Christ that there will be a final resurrection of the unrighteous who remained in their graves. Those both in the dirt and in the sea.

That's what the Revelation, to me, pretty clearly explains.

Revelation 20:4-5 ... and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Here we are clearly told that there is a first resurrection and that resurrection is for the righteous who had died in Christ, to live with him on the earth for 1,000 years. And it speaks of the rest of the dead were not resurrected at this time, but rather after the 1,000 years was completed. So, there are two. One for the righteous and another for the unrighteous.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[LastSeven]

The Bible is the Word of God. The problem comes when men try to make it say what they want it to say instead of accepting what it actually does say.

I can't argue with that.

There is not one single word in Ephesians that says the church has replaced Israel.

Nor did I claim that.

What is does teach us though is that the Jew and Gentile both have the same access to God through the Son the Lord Jesus Christ. We are all on the same footing are equal in the sight of God.

Specifically it teaches that we now have citizenship in Israel.

Ephesians 2:19
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household,

Today, the Gentiles are fellow citizens with the New Test. Jewish saints and we all belong to the family of God through Christ. That relationship is not in Israel or the USA but is instead in heaven.

I think you're not understanding what Israel is. Israel is not that state in the middle east. Israel is the kingdom of God. Always has been, always will be.

That in not way suggests that the Nation of Israel has been eliminated and the Church absorbed it.

I never said that. I said we now have citizenship in Israel, which is the kingdom of God, and those who rejected Christ have been cast out of the kingdom of God.

Did you think Jesus was making an idle threat when he said this:

Matthew 21
“‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone;

43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”[i]

45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them.

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Or do you think you can reject Christ and still be part of the kingdom of God? It has to be one of the two. Either you think you can reject Christ and still be saved, or you agree that the unbelievers are cast out.

Even Jeremiah prophesied it:

Jeremiah 11:16
The LORD called you a thriving olive tree with fruit beautiful in form. But with the roar of a mighty storm he will set it on fire, and its branches will be broken.

And they have to be broken, because unholy branches can not grow from a holy root.

Romans 11:16
if the root is holy, so are the branches.

And we know that Jesus is the root.

Revelation 22:16
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

So if Jesus is the root of the tree, and all the branches are holy, then that stands to reason that only believers are members of this tree.

Unless you think you can reject Christ and still be holy. ???

Have YOU read Romans 11:1?????? If it is not in your Bible allow me to quote it for you..........
"Hath God cast away His people? God forbid! ..........God has not cast away His people which He foreknew".

Yup. Read it. God did not reject his people, but his people rejected him. Hence they were cut off. All but a remnant who accepted Christ. They are still members.

 

[Major1]

How is any of that relevant to Jesus' reign? You do realize that during the thousand years there is still sin, right? Scripture makes that abundantly clear.

Of course. He told us that he's reigning and then Paul also confirmed that he's reigning and we with him. Why would I not believe what they said? And why would you not? Don't you believe the Bible to be true?

Ya, Satan's still walking around. What's your point?

The point is that since you believe we are living in the 1000 year rule of Christ....you should read the Bible 1st!

Revelation 20:6,........
"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

The 1000 years begins with a resurrection of the RIGHTEOUS. This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:5.......
"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished...

According to this prophecy, the wicked will not be alive during this 1000 years as Satan has been able to convince billions. The Bible bluntly says they won't live until the 1000 years are over.

John 5:28-29,......
"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

That's two different resurrections being noted here by John. Plus, the Bible states these two are separated by 1000 years of time rather bluntly.

Micah 4:1-4........
"Now it shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established at the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and peoples shall flow to it. Many nations shall come and say, “Come, and let us go to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, and we shall walk in His paths.”

For out of Zion the law shall go forth, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He shall judge between many peoples, and rebuke strong nations far off; They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. But everyone shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree. And no one shall make them afraid; for the mouth of the Lord of Hosts has spoken.”

 

[LastSeven]

Hi LS,

There will be two resurrections. It's pretty clearly explained in the Revelation itself. We are told that there will be a resurrection of the righteous and they will then live with Christ for 1,000 years. But the unrighteous stayed in their graves. Then it tells us after the 1000 year reign of Christ that there will be a final resurrection of the unrighteous who remained in their graves. Those both in the dirt and in the sea.

That's what the Revelation, to me, pretty clearly explains.

Not exactly. Yes, there are two resurrections and yes the first is only for the righteous, but it does not say that the second is only for the wicked. Read it carefully.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The dead martyrs cry out for vengeance against their murderer's. Then in the, soon to happen, Sixth Seal the Lord takes vengeance and later in Revelation 19:1-3 they praise Him for their vindication.
Note that the Day of wrath is what comes next, as Jesus has fulfilled Isaiah 61:1-2a, Isaiah 2b-11 is our future.

The saints are killed in the 4th seal when 1/4 of the world is killed by the enforcement of the Mark of the Beast.

The 5th seal is their crying out to God.

The 6th seal is the period of time known as the "Day of the LORD" (a.k.a. The Day of Wrath). However, Scripture only mentions how only the 144,000 are sealed with protection before the 6th seal starts or begins, though. There is no mention how Gentile believers will also have a seal of protection.

The 144,000 Jews:
(Part 1 - The Sealing of the 144,000):

• Revelation 7:1-8

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.​

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[Bible Highlighter]

The parallel is this.

Enoch is Raptured or Taken Up whereby he does not see death.
This is a "Type" or "Parallel" of the church being Raptured.

Methuselah dies. This then brings in the judgment of the global flood.
When the saints are killed by the Antichrist, the Wrath of God will hit the Earth.

The 144,000 who are sealed and protected thru the Day of Wrath is like:
Noah and his family being preserved thru the Ark.


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[LastSeven]

The point is that since you believe we are living in the 1000 year rule of Christ....you should read the Bible 1st!

Revelation 20:6,........
"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

The 1000 years begins with a resurrection of the RIGHTEOUS. This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:5.......
"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished...

According to this prophecy, the wicked will not be alive during this 1000 years as Satan has been able to convince billions. The Bible bluntly says they won't live until the 1000 years are over.

John 5:28-29,......
"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

That's two different resurrections being noted here by John. Plus, the Bible states these two are separated by 1000 years of time rather bluntly.

Micah 4:1-4........
"Now it shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established at the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and peoples shall flow to it. Many nations shall come and say, “Come, and let us go to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, and we shall walk in His paths.”

For out of Zion the law shall go forth, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He shall judge between many peoples, and rebuke strong nations far off; They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. But everyone shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree. And no one shall make them afraid; for the mouth of the Lord of Hosts has spoken.”

First of all you're mixing prophecies about the new earth with prophecies about the thousand years. You should be careful with that.

Secondly, you and I have already partaken in the first resurrection. Were you not born again? Does not being born again, first require that your old self died? Is not dying, then living the very definition of resurrection?

Your problem is that you expect the first resurrection to be a physical resurrection out of the grave, but you must understand that there are two kinds of death and two kinds of life.

The Bible even very clearly states that we have been resurrected and that we currently reign. I'm not making this stuff up. It's in the Bible.

Ephesians 2:4-6
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus

We were resurrected when Christ was resurrected. And you can't say "that's not what he meant" because that is clearly what he said. It's up to you whether or not you want to accept it.

Without Christ we are all spiritually dead, because we are born into sin and sin brings death. Do you agree with that? That we are all spiritually dead before we accept Christ? Then look at what Jesus says here:

John 5:24-25
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

The hour now is that anyone who hears is passed from death unto life. That is literally a resurrection. People are taking part in the first resurrection every day all around the world as they come to Christ! Hallelujah!

We don't have to fear the second death because our names are written in the book of life, and we have already taken part in the first resurrection.

And third, you need to understand that during the thousand years there is still sin and pain and sorrow and death. Those things don't go away until we inherit the new earth. For the sake of brevity I won't post those scriptures here but if you want to see them, all you have to do is ask.

 

[Revealing Times]

Sad people can't understand the scriptures before them. Let go of YOUR opinions and allow God to feed you his truth. It is so clear there is a Rapture. It is clear that those under the Alter at the 5th Seal are Christians beheaded/murdered by the Anti-Christ when he demands worship by all, destroys all Religions, including Islam, which is what is meant by the HARLOT being destroyed in Rev. 17:16. He comes after Israel who flees to the Wilderness, comes after Christians or the Remnant of the SEED (Jesus being the Seed, the Christians that are left being the Remnant). And they want vengeance of THOSE PEOPLE ON EARTH...as in present tense when they say this.

All 7 Seals are the Wrath of the Lamb, he OPENS EVERY SEAL, Allows it to come Forth !! All 7 Trumpets are the Wrath of the Holy Spirit/Saints/Two Witnesses, as it says in scriptures:

Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. 3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

Thus this is the Holy Spirits Wrath, via the Prayers of the Saints via the Two Witnesses who pray down plagues upon the world/Babylon.

Then we have the Wrath of God of Course which is the Vials being poured out on the world/Babylon.