Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?

[DennisTate]

I totally agree - these experiences can be life-changing. But it doesn't mean they're experiences of real events.

Psychedelics (especially psylocibin) are under serious consideration by the medical profession again because the experiences they provide can have life-changing effects - often for the better. Some people who suffer from temporal lobe epilepsy have had life-changing experiences during seizures, and these can be artificially induced. Life-changing experiences can even happen during lucid dreams.

The experiences may be profound and life-changing, but that doesn't mean they're experiences of real events, any more than dreams are. There is a branch of philosophy that proposes that if you can imagine it, it's real; but that's a conceptual reality, not the same as physical reality. This is a distinction that some people seem to have trouble with, and there are many unscrupulous profiteers who like to encourage this confusion.

But there are also an astonishing number of people making money
off Atheistic Darwinian Evolutionary Theory and many of these people are
elaborating on the problems with traditional Darwinism.

In the future Dr. Chaim Tejman may be quoted when the origin of masculine and
feminine thought and behaviour is discussed.



Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex

"Pulling and gravitation, which resemble basic feminine traits, are the dominant properties of the magnetic loop. Consequently, magnetic loops have a capacity for storing energy and act to maintain the structural integrity of the entire wave formation. The electronic/energetic loop consists of expanding properties that disperse energetic matter that “disappears” into space. This is synonymous with masculine characteristics." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Energy from Quantum Vacuum seems to
be of a magnitude far, far, far beyond electricity or
even nuclear energy .....

This idea probably reflects the problems in reconciling quantum mechanics with General Relativity - blindly applying the maths that works elsewhere gives absurd results - the kind of thing Feynman invented renormalisation to deal with.

Wave Theory and String Theory certainly do
elaborate on behaviour patters of fundamental energy that
would certainly tend to lead to sentience...

Explain how - and what exactly is 'Wave Theory'?

I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

But there are also an astonishing number of people making money
off Atheistic Darwinian Evolutionary Theory

For example?

In the future Dr. Chaim Tejman may be quoted...

I seriously doubt it - unless as an example of pseudoscientific woo. The article you linked to is gibberish of Chopra-esque proportions.

 

[DennisTate]

For example?

I seriously doubt it - unless as an example of pseudoscientific woo. The article you linked to is gibberish of Chopra-esque proportions.

University professors and even high school teachers do not
want to admit that much of what they were taught twenty to forty years ago is now
obsolete.

 

[DennisTate]

This idea probably reflects the problems in reconciling quantum mechanics with General Relativity - blindly applying the maths that works elsewhere gives absurd results - the kind of thing Feynman invented renormalisation to deal with.

Explain how - and what exactly is 'Wave Theory'?

I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.

True.... I know very little about this....
but at least I can admit that Dr. Chaim Tejman's theories and drawings
are rather brilliant.......

because he puts forward the idea that the tiniest particles behave much like
planets and stars and star clusters .... the smallest particles actually behave
somewhat like the largest groupings of matter in the universe......

As above....
so below.....

 

[DennisTate]

For example?

I seriously doubt it - unless as an example of pseudoscientific woo. The article you linked to is gibberish of Chopra-esque proportions.

I know enough to know that
energy from quantum vacuum could play a huge role in
getting the modern economy off our addiction to oil.......
but the catalyst could be some variation of the
Stanley Meyers hydrogen fuel dune buggy.... that is suspected
to ultimately be tapping into Energy from Quantum Vacuum......

That is not to say that this will happen... just that it has potential.....

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

University professors and even high school teachers do not want to admit that much of what they were taught twenty to forty years ago is now obsolete.

Rather a sweeping generalization - who, for example - or do you have some statistical evidence?

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few such, but I'd like to see your source for it.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... he puts forward the idea that the tiniest particles behave much like
planets and stars and star clusters .... the smallest particles actually behave
somewhat like the largest groupings of matter in the universe......

But he's quite wrong, they don't. The smallest particles don't behave like matter at larger scales at all. They don't even behave like particles most of the time...

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I know enough to know that energy from quantum vacuum could play a huge role in
getting the modern economy off our addiction to oil.......

I would suggest that fusion is a more realistic prospect.

... the catalyst could be some variation of the Stanley Meyers hydrogen fuel dune buggy.... that is suspected to ultimately be tapping into Energy from Quantum Vacuum......

No, it couldn't; it was fraudulent pseudoscience.

"Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996 ... Meyer's patents have expired. His inventions are now in the public domain, available for all to use without restriction or royalty payment. Despite this, no engine or vehicle manufacturer has incorporated Meyer's work."(wikipedia)​

That is not to say that this will happen... just that it has potential.....

Not really, no. The quote you posted wasn't about energy available from the quantum vacuum, but the energy required to reunify the fundamental forces (i.e. recreate the conditions at the big bang).

 

[DennisTate]

But he's quite wrong, they don't. The smallest particles don't behave like matter at larger scales at all. They don't even behave like particles most of the time...

So you disagree with the idea of particles generally forming something along the line of schools of fish... or flocks of birds or.....

 

[DennisTate]

I see no obvious commonalities between the two - why does String Theory remind you of Dr. Ritchie's dream?

This article by an online Theoretical Physicist friend of mine may help you
to understand why I would think this.

Then again, maybe not?!

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/hidden-un-realities-graham-p?trk=hb_ntf_MEGAPHONE_ARTICLE_POST

Hidden Un-Realities

• Published on December 21, 2016, Graham P.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

This article by an online Theoretical Physicist friend of mine may help you
to understand why I would think this.

Then again, maybe not?!

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/hidden-un-realities-graham-p?trk=hb_ntf_MEGAPHONE_ARTICLE_POST

Hidden Un-Realities

• Published on December 21, 2016, Graham P.

I'd prefer if you could summarize in your own words (just so I know what your understanding of it is), and then explain just what you think that article has to do with Dr. Ritchie's dream?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

So you disagree with the idea of particles generally forming something along the line of schools of fish... or flocks of birds or.....

Now wait, I was responding to the idea that, "the tiniest particles behave much like planets and stars and star clusters .... the smallest particles actually behave somewhat like the largest groupings of matter in the universe..."

What has that to do with schools of fish or flocks of birds?

And no, AFAIAA the smallest particles do not show flocking behavior like schools of fish or flocks of birds. Where did that idea come from?

 

[DennisTate]

I'd prefer if you could summarize in your own words (just so I know what your understanding of it is), and then explain just what you think that article has to do with Dr. Ritchie's dream?

Dr. George Ritchie reported what sure sounds like Invisible Dimensions of space - time
decades before String Theory explained them mathematically an in terms of electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong nuclear force.....(of which all events and objects in the universe are composed).

Multiverse Theory explains how time is not limited to
being one straight line but instead can branch like the roots and limbs of a tree......

 

[DennisTate]

Now wait, I was responding to the idea that, "the tiniest particles behave much like planets and stars and star clusters .... the smallest particles actually behave somewhat like the largest groupings of matter in the universe..."

What has that to do with schools of fish or flocks of birds?

And no, AFAIAA the smallest particles do not show flocking behavior like schools of fish or flocks of birds. Where did that idea come from?

The Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman website is impressive. What he writes combined with his diagrams makes a lot of sense.


Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman website is impressive. What he writes combined with his diagrams makes a lot of sense.

It didn't make any sense to me; 'not even wrong' would characterize it best.

BTW - the orthogonal combined electric and magnetic wave shown on that page is just electromagnetic radiation (light, heat, etc).

 

[SkyWriting]

I am an Evolutionary Theist........
I am of the belief that a being with "Godlike" technological capability
began, far far far far far more than 13.72 billion years ago, in
fundamental or nearly fundamental energy that to at least some
degree corresponds with "Energy from Quantum Vacuum."
This Intelligence learned and learned, and experimented..... .and
designed Big Bang type events, nearly an infinite number of them,
and eventually, around 13.72 billion year or so ago began our.......
Big Bang event that led to the evolution plus creation of
all the life forms that we see here on earth.

If matter had any intelligent properties
then your story would have merit.

But matter tends toward decay so physics is against your story.
Heat Death: The Ultimate Fate of Our Universe

 

[DennisTate]

If matter had any intelligent properties
then your story would have merit.

But matter tends toward decay so physics is against your story.
Heat Death: The Ultimate Fate of Our Universe

It seems that plants may be a whole lot more sentient and emotional than we had suspected in the past.

The Secret Life of Plants - Wikipedia

The Secret Life of Plants (1973) is a book by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird. The book documents controversial experiments that reveal unusual phenomena regarding plants such as plant sentience, discovered through experimentation. It goes on to discuss philosophies and progressive farming methods based on these findings. The book was heavily criticized by scientists for promoting absurd pseudoscientific claims.

Isa 14:8

"Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us."

We may even be in for surprises regarding rocks......

Luk 19:40

And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

 

[DennisTate]

Technology has nothing to do with the issue. God creates through force of will.
All of reality is His creation and obeys His will.

As far as the OP goes, intelligence started with God, who is neither matter nor energy, but spirit.

But.... can G-d learn?????

If so... then G-d invented.....
inventiveness.......
and inspires many people to find certain inventions that can benefit humanity.....


Graphene screens and low cost desalination of ocean water.

 

[juvenissun]

I am an Evolutionary Theist........

I am of the belief that a being with "Godlike" technological capability

began, far far far far far more than 13.72 billion years ago, in
fundamental or nearly fundamental energy that to at least some
degree corresponds with "Energy from Quantum Vacuum."


This Intelligence learned and learned, and experimented..... .and
designed Big Bang type events, nearly an infinite number of them,
and eventually, around 13.72 billion year or so ago began our.......
Big Bang event that led to the evolution plus creation of
all the life forms that we see here on earth.

The rate of biological evolution can be measured and calculated.
What is the rate of your intelligence of evolution? Is it a constant?