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Newton and Hawking had the SAME law of gravity?

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Prof John Lennox said:

The law of gravitation plays a very important role in the contemporary debate because it's Newton's reason for believing in God and Hawking's reason for not believing in God, the very same law of gravity. Steven Hawking says that because there is a law of gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing, and therefore God is totally unnecessary; and yet, Isaac Newton who discovered the law of gravity when he discovered it, he didn't say what Hawking said. … When Newton discovered gravity, he said: Wow, what a fascinating God that did it that way.
Emphasis added. Actually, Newton and Hawking did not have the very same law of gravity. That's an oversimplification, conflating the gravitational constant with its effect.

In 1687, Isaac Newton formulated his Law of Universal Gravitation in his seminal work, Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica:

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Newton postulated G as a constant whose exact value was discovered decades later. The unit for G is not acceleration; little g = 9.8 m/s² is the gravitational acceleration on the planet Earth. G and g are quite different. He understood the concept of gravity as it was related to the attractive force between two masses.

In 1915, Albert Einstein formulated his General Theory of Relativity field equation:

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Einstein redefined gravity not as a force but as the curvature of spacetime caused by mass and energy. His field equations describe how massive objects like stars and planets bend spacetime, and objects follow curved paths within this distorted geometry. He saw gravity as a relation to space-time curvature geometrically. The gravity of a black hole was so strong that at the event horizon, nothing could escape from a black hole, not even light. That's not quite true.

In 1984, Stephen Hawking bridged general relativity (gravity) and quantum mechanics:

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Near the event horizon, black holes can slowly lose mass by emitting Hawking radiation. In his book The Grand Design (2010), he suggests that gravity is a fundamental force that allows the universe to create itself from nothing. In his view, the gravitational field has negative energy, which can counterbalance the positive energy of matter, allowing the total energy of the universe to be zero. According to quantum mechanics, particles and energy can spontaneously appear and disappear in a vacuum due to quantum fluctuations. Hawking extended this idea to the entire universe, suggesting that the universe itself could arise from a quantum fluctuation. This begs for the search for a theory of quantum gravity.

In all three formulas, G is the universal gravitational constant. G, at the time of Newton, was the same as it is today. We don't know what gravity is exactly, but we can measure its effect. However, Hawking's understanding of the effect of gravity in the context of his equation differed significantly from Newton's three centuries earlier. Newton understood gravity at the level of apples, planets, and stars. Hawking tried to figure out gravity at and inside a black hole at the quantum level. They did not see the very same law of gravity.

Dr Lennox also said:

Newton discovered the law of gravitation
More precisely, Newton formulated an equation to calculate the attractive force between two objects using the universal gravitational constant, G. At best, he discovered a law concerning gravitation.

Today, people like Stephen Hawking say you've got to either believe in God or be a scientist.
I've never heard Hawking say that false dichotomy. More precisely, he wrote:

Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.
He argued that science could explain the universe’s origins without requiring a divine cause, a position called scientific naturalism.

It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going.
He didn't claim that scientists could not believe in God—only that science didn't require God as an explanation. He never stated that belief in God and being a scientist were mutually exclusive. Lennox overinterpreted Hawking's statement concerning science to scientists.

There are other scientists who push for the extreme position. Dr H Allen Orr wrote]:

I agree of course that no sensible scientist can tolerate such exceptionalism with respect to the laws of nature. But the solution seems obvious and, at least since Augustine in the fifth century AD, uncontroversial: we must often abandon literalism.
By "exceptionalism", he referred to "miracles", i.e., if you are a scientist who believes in supernatural miracles, you are not a sensible scientist.

Did Newton and Hawking have the very same law of gravity as claimed by Lennox?

No. In his statements, he failed to distinguish between the universal gravitational constant and the effect of gravity; further, like Orr, he failed to distinguish between science and scientists.
 
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Gravity as a force is a unified field of true (solo) gravity and the charge field.

Per Maxwell, mass has equivalent dimensions of L^3/t^2, and charge itself has a mass equivalence that can be written as density times volume. 'Density' is assigned to the charge field and volume assigned to the solo gravitational field. Thes two are in vector opposition creating stable (i.e. correctable) orbits that the mainstream cannot explain with only a single force. 'G' then loses all of its dimensions and becomes a straight constant becoming a scaling factor that takes us from the macro world, where gravity dominates, to the quantum world, where charge dominates. F = G(DV)(dv)/r^2.

We can do the same thing with the Coulomb equation seperating out 'charge' with it's mass equivalent: F = k(DV)(dv)/r^2. In this case 'k' is again a straight constant scaling us from the micro world to the macro world. Solo gravity is a function of radius alone, while charge is a function of the density of the emitted photon field.
 
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Define gravity and solo gravity
'Gravity' as currently defined is a composite of two different force fields: actual solo gravity and the charge field. Solo gravity is the real acceleration outward of all things at the quantum level (whatever that quantum is - I believe it to be the photon), and the charge field which is exclusionary, mediated by photons, and drives things apart.
 
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Thanks for the references. To save the effort of your readers, this is how to do referencing in a scholarly manner:

1. Give the source/citation.
2. Provide the URL link to the source if available.
3. Indent the quoted text.
4, Bold the relevant keywords that are important to the point that you are making. Be concise and to the point.

I do this for others who read my posts. It is a standard high-school scholarship.
 
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1. Done
2. Done
3. I'm not going to quote the whole paper - that's the point of linking to the paper itself
4. This is a discussion board, not a peer-review board. I'm glad you feel the need to be so exacting; but others don't feel the need as you do. If you'd like to discuss the paper after reading it, I'm happy to engage.
 
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