Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?

[DennisTate]

Kaluza-Klein theory doesn't involve extra dimensions of time, only one of space; and, to my knowledge, it doesn't specify the compactified dimension as more energetic or being of 'higher energy'.

Other than that, you're spot on, it's like a dream...

But a dream that is claimed to be more real than this life..... due to our senses, intelligence and perception being greatly increased.


'Afterlife' feels 'even more real than real,' researcher says - CNN

You leave your body and look down at it. People are bending over it. Someone is sobbing uncontrollably. As the ambulance rushes up, a blinding light surges above you. It beckons you softly.
You follow it through a tunnel to a place much more vividly real and spectacular than the banner Sunday afternoon you just left behind. You are sure you have arrived in the hereafter.
Weeks later, you wake up to the steady beeps of an EKG monitor next to your hospital bed.
Secrets spilled in life's final minutes
The scientific journey begins
If your hospital is in Belgium, Dr. Steven Laureys may pay you a visit, interested to hear what you remember from your NDE, or near-death experience.
He tells you that many people have gone down this road before you and that you can trust him with your experience.
"Patients in intensive care are scared to tell their stories," he said. They are afraid people won't take them seriously, especially doctors and scientists.
Laureys heads the Coma Science Group at the university hospital in the city of Liege. He and his colleagues published a scientific study on NDEs late last month.
People who go on these fantastic journeys are often forever changed. Many seem to come back happier and no longer fear death, he said. The experience becomes a cornerstone of their lives.
NDEs feel "even more real than real," Laureys said. It's this sparkling clarity and living color of the experience, which many have when they lose consciousness, that he and his team have researched.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

But a dream that is claimed to be more real than this life..... due to our senses, intelligence and perception being greatly increased.

Yes, such experiences are sometimes called 'hyperreal' experiences due to their extreme vividness, emotional content, and memory detail. Some kinds of lucid dreams, high fevers, and psychedelics (LSD, peyote, psylocybin, etc.) can elicit vivid and memorable dreamlike experiences powerful enough to permanently change the individual's worldview.

The claim that senses and intelligence and perception can be greatly increased needs to be taken in context - exteroception can be sensitised as thresholds of suppression drop in the brain, also leading to increased cross-talk between areas that usually have little interaction, resulting in a perception of increased creativity and connection between disparate areas of knowledge, understanding, and so-on. It's possible that such states might improve cognitive performance at some tasks, but whether it would be possible to focus attention sufficiently in such a state is moot.

The heightened emotional responses associated with such excitable states would help fix memories of them, as the increased activity of the amygdala stimulates increased hypothalamic activity.

'Afterlife' feels 'even more real than real,' researcher says - CNN

As the published research paper says, NDE's have striking similarities to hallucinations:

"We rather propose that the physiological origins of NDEs lead them to be really perceived although not lived in reality (i.e., being hallucination- or dream-like events), having as rich characteristics as memories of real events. The amount of characteristics of NDE memories probably is further enhanced by their here-identified high emotional and self-referential values. This suggests that memories of NDEs are flashbulb memories of really perceived hallucinations. Although the similarities of NDEs with hallucinations are striking, further research is needed to characterize the relationship between these phenomena more precisely."​

What I found interesting was that NDEs are more strongly associated with the perception of a risk of death than an actual risk of death. This might explain why those memories are more "emotionally strong and closely linked to subjects' own identity" than, for example, coma memories, where an actual risk of death may have been present, but not perceived.

 

[DennisTate]

Intelligence begins when one recognizes there is no verifiable evidence that explains why the big bang occurred.

Or... could there have been an infinite number of Big Bang type events over eternity in the past?

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

At this point of my near-death experience, I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond Infinity. I was in the Void.



I was in pre creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time / the First Word / the First vibration. I was in the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply, I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness. When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That’s a mind-expanding thought, isn’t it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event that created the Universe. I saw during my life after death experience that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating Universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by super computers using fractal geometry equations.

 

[DennisTate]

Yes, such experiences are sometimes called 'hyperreal' experiences due to their extreme vividness, emotional content, and memory detail. Some kinds of lucid dreams, high fevers, and psychedelics (LSD, peyote, psylocybin, etc.) can elicit vivid and memorable dreamlike experiences powerful enough to permanently change the individual's worldview.

The claim that senses and intelligence and perception can be greatly increased needs to be taken in context - exteroception can be sensitised as thresholds of suppression drop in the brain, also leading to increased cross-talk between areas that usually have little interaction, resulting in a perception of increased creativity and connection between disparate areas of knowledge, understanding, and so-on. It's possible that such states might improve cognitive performance at some tasks, but whether it would be possible to focus attention sufficiently in such a state is moot.

The heightened emotional responses associated with such excitable states would help fix memories of them, as the increased activity of the amygdala stimulates increased hypothalamic activity.

As the published research paper says, NDE's have striking similarities to hallucinations:

"We rather propose that the physiological origins of NDEs lead them to be really perceived although not lived in reality (i.e., being hallucination- or dream-like events), having as rich characteristics as memories of real events. The amount of characteristics of NDE memories probably is further enhanced by their here-identified high emotional and self-referential values. This suggests that memories of NDEs are flashbulb memories of really perceived hallucinations. Although the similarities of NDEs with hallucinations are striking, further research is needed to characterize the relationship between these phenomena more precisely."​

What I found interesting was that NDEs are more strongly associated with the perception of a risk of death than an actual risk of death. This might explain why those memories are more "emotionally strong and closely linked to subjects' own identity" than, for example, coma memories, where an actual risk of death may have been present, but not perceived.

Or.... is it possible that there is a part of the brain that has a connection to higher invisible dimensions?

My guess would be the right temporal lobe due to some unusual research that was done by electrical stimulation of various parts of the brain and observation of what the person perceived.

Near-death experiences and the temporal lobe. - PubMed - NCBI

Abstract
Many studies in humans suggest that altered temporal lobe functioning, especially functioning in the right temporal lobe, is involved in mystical and religious experiences. We investigated temporal lobe functioning in individuals who reported having transcendental "near-death experiences" during life-threatening events. These individuals were found to have more temporal lobe epileptiform electroencephalographic activity than control subjects and also reported significantly more temporal lobe epileptic symptoms. Contrary to predictions, epileptiform activity was nearly completely lateralized to the left hemisphere. The near-death experience was not associated with dysfunctional stress reactions such as dissociation, posttraumatic stress disorder, and substance abuse, but rather was associated with positive coping styles. Additional analyses revealed that near-death experiencers had altered sleep patterns, specifically, a shorter duration of sleep and delayed REM sleep relative to the control group. These results suggest that altered temporal lobe functioning may be involved in the near-death experience and that individuals who have had such experiences are physiologically distinct from the general population.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Or.... is it possible that there is a part of the brain that has a connection to higher invisible dimensions?

My guess would be the right temporal lobe due to some unusual research that was done by electrical stimulation of various parts of the brain and observation of what the person perceived.

Don't guess.
Rather, as you posted a quote:
"At this point of my near-death experience, I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond Infinity. I was in the Void."

i.e. NOT in Christ.
Tricked by the enemy.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Or.... is it possible that there is a part of the brain that has a connection to higher invisible dimensions?

If you widen your scope enough, anything is possible; but no, what we know and can reasonably speculate of the physics of this universe does not contain invisible higher dimensions that can interact with everyday matter in the way your suggestion would require. String theory and brane or M-theory propose extra dimensions, but they're not comic-book fantasy parallel worlds - they're either compactified orthogonal spatial extents at Planck scales or higher dimensional 'surfaces' at supra-universe scales, neither of which have any relevance at human scales & energies.

Also, empirical neuroscience suggests that our brain cells are electrochemical signal processors, with no evidence of facilities for, or any evidence of, extra-dimensional communication - whatever that might mean.

My guess would be the right temporal lobe due to some unusual research that was done by electrical stimulation of various parts of the brain and observation of what the person perceived.

Near-death experiences and the temporal lobe. - PubMed - NCBI

The temporal lobe coordinates processing of sensory input into phenomenal experience. When stimulated in the absence of sensory input, it will treat that stimulation as sensory input and phenomenal experiences triggered by that pseudo-sensory stimulation will be generated - effectively a form of hallucination.

 

[DennisTate]

If you widen your scope enough, anything is possible; but no, what we know and can reasonably speculate of the physics of this universe does not contain invisible higher dimensions that can interact with everyday matter in the way your suggestion would require. String theory and brane or M-theory propose extra dimensions, but they're not comic-book fantasy parallel worlds - they're either compactified orthogonal spatial extents at Planck scales or higher dimensional 'surfaces' at supra-universe scales, neither of which have any relevance at human scales & energies.

Also, empirical neuroscience suggests that our brain cells are electrochemical signal processors, with no evidence of facilities for, or any evidence of, extra-dimensional communication - whatever that might mean.

The temporal lobe coordinates processing of sensory input into phenomenal experience. When stimulated in the absence of sensory input, it will treat that stimulation as sensory input and phenomenal experiences triggered by that pseudo-sensory stimulation will be generated - effectively a form of hallucination.

One of these days..... you may have some difficulty convincing Messiah Yeshua - Jesus that He cannot interact with humans from a higher invisible dimension of space - time?!

We will all meet Messiah Yeshua - Jesus one of these days.

I would prefer to go into my death experience and /or near death experience like Dean Braxton did.........
than do it like Rabbi Alon Anava did????

vs......

(For the record there are fascinating possible connections between this NDE with Matthew 4
and his conclusions after his remind me somewhat of Matthew 5
Matthew 6
and Matthew 7

 

[durangodawood]

The first Intelligence began in.....

How should i know? We only have good access to Earth.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

One of these days..... you may have some difficulty convincing Messiah Yeshua - Jesus that He cannot interact with humans from a higher invisible dimension of space - time?!.

That would be because that's a comic book idea.

 

[Ophiolite]

In this particular case in a non-Christian political forum frequented by lots of writers with an IQ that I suspect could be nearly double what I am working with?!

Nearly double? Wow! You mean like 108, 109?

 

[DennisTate]

Nearly double? Wow! You mean like 108, 109?

The guy who got me going on this was actually 172.... and he could hit the ball right out of the park on essentially every major topic that he got into......

I will send you a person message with the link to his original writing....