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Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?

The first Intelligence began in.....

  • Carbon based life less than 5 billion years ago, on earth.

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  • Carbon based life in outer space.

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  • Fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • This is a new question that I am only now facing.

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • This question is flawed.... God had no beginning.

    Votes: 16 57.1%

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DennisTate

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But there are also an astonishing number of people making money
off Atheistic Darwinian Evolutionary Theory and many of these people are
elaborating on the problems with traditional Darwinism.

In the future Dr. Chaim Tejman may be quoted when the origin of masculine and
feminine thought and behaviour is discussed.



Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex

 
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Energy from Quantum Vacuum seems to
be of a magnitude far, far, far beyond electricity or
even nuclear energy .....
This idea probably reflects the problems in reconciling quantum mechanics with General Relativity - blindly applying the maths that works elsewhere gives absurd results - the kind of thing Feynman invented renormalisation to deal with.

Wave Theory and String Theory certainly do
elaborate on behaviour patters of fundamental energy that
would certainly tend to lead to sentience...
Explain how - and what exactly is 'Wave Theory'?

I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.
 
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But there are also an astonishing number of people making money
off Atheistic Darwinian Evolutionary Theory
For example?

In the future Dr. Chaim Tejman may be quoted...
I seriously doubt it - unless as an example of pseudoscientific woo. The article you linked to is gibberish of Chopra-esque proportions.
 
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For example?

I seriously doubt it - unless as an example of pseudoscientific woo. The article you linked to is gibberish of Chopra-esque proportions.

University professors and even high school teachers do not
want to admit that much of what they were taught twenty to forty years ago is now
obsolete.
 
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True.... I know very little about this....
but at least I can admit that Dr. Chaim Tejman's theories and drawings
are rather brilliant.......

because he puts forward the idea that the tiniest particles behave much like
planets and stars and star clusters .... the smallest particles actually behave
somewhat like the largest groupings of matter in the universe......

As above....
so below.....
 
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For example?

I seriously doubt it - unless as an example of pseudoscientific woo. The article you linked to is gibberish of Chopra-esque proportions.

I know enough to know that
energy from quantum vacuum could play a huge role in
getting the modern economy off our addiction to oil.......
but the catalyst could be some variation of the
Stanley Meyers hydrogen fuel dune buggy.... that is suspected
to ultimately be tapping into Energy from Quantum Vacuum......

That is not to say that this will happen... just that it has potential.....

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/


 
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University professors and even high school teachers do not want to admit that much of what they were taught twenty to forty years ago is now obsolete.
Rather a sweeping generalization - who, for example - or do you have some statistical evidence?

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few such, but I'd like to see your source for it.
 
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... he puts forward the idea that the tiniest particles behave much like
planets and stars and star clusters .... the smallest particles actually behave
somewhat like the largest groupings of matter in the universe......
But he's quite wrong, they don't. The smallest particles don't behave like matter at larger scales at all. They don't even behave like particles most of the time...
 
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I know enough to know that energy from quantum vacuum could play a huge role in
getting the modern economy off our addiction to oil.......
I would suggest that fusion is a more realistic prospect.

... the catalyst could be some variation of the Stanley Meyers hydrogen fuel dune buggy.... that is suspected to ultimately be tapping into Energy from Quantum Vacuum......
No, it couldn't; it was fraudulent pseudoscience.

"Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996 ... Meyer's patents have expired. His inventions are now in the public domain, available for all to use without restriction or royalty payment. Despite this, no engine or vehicle manufacturer has incorporated Meyer's work."(wikipedia)

That is not to say that this will happen... just that it has potential.....
Not really, no. The quote you posted wasn't about energy available from the quantum vacuum, but the energy required to reunify the fundamental forces (i.e. recreate the conditions at the big bang).
 
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But he's quite wrong, they don't. The smallest particles don't behave like matter at larger scales at all. They don't even behave like particles most of the time...

So you disagree with the idea of particles generally forming something along the line of schools of fish... or flocks of birds or.....
 
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I'd prefer if you could summarize in your own words (just so I know what your understanding of it is), and then explain just what you think that article has to do with Dr. Ritchie's dream?
 
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So you disagree with the idea of particles generally forming something along the line of schools of fish... or flocks of birds or.....
Now wait, I was responding to the idea that, "the tiniest particles behave much like planets and stars and star clusters .... the smallest particles actually behave somewhat like the largest groupings of matter in the universe..."

What has that to do with schools of fish or flocks of birds?

And no, AFAIAA the smallest particles do not show flocking behavior like schools of fish or flocks of birds. Where did that idea come from?
 
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I'd prefer if you could summarize in your own words (just so I know what your understanding of it is), and then explain just what you think that article has to do with Dr. Ritchie's dream?

Dr. George Ritchie reported what sure sounds like Invisible Dimensions of space - time
decades before String Theory explained them mathematically an in terms of electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong nuclear force.....(of which all events and objects in the universe are composed).

Multiverse Theory explains how time is not limited to
being one straight line but instead can branch like the roots and limbs of a tree......
 
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The Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman website is impressive. What he writes combined with his diagrams makes a lot of sense.


Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex
 
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The Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman website is impressive. What he writes combined with his diagrams makes a lot of sense.
It didn't make any sense to me; 'not even wrong' would characterize it best.

BTW - the orthogonal combined electric and magnetic wave shown on that page is just electromagnetic radiation (light, heat, etc).
 
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If matter had any intelligent properties
then your story would have merit.

But matter tends toward decay so physics is against your story.
Heat Death: The Ultimate Fate of Our Universe
 
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If matter had any intelligent properties
then your story would have merit.

But matter tends toward decay so physics is against your story.
Heat Death: The Ultimate Fate of Our Universe

It seems that plants may be a whole lot more sentient and emotional than we had suspected in the past.

The Secret Life of Plants - Wikipedia



Isa 14:8

"Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us."

We may even be in for surprises regarding rocks......

Luk 19:40

And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
 
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Technology has nothing to do with the issue. God creates through force of will.
All of reality is His creation and obeys His will.

As far as the OP goes, intelligence started with God, who is neither matter nor energy, but spirit.

But.... can G-d learn?????

If so... then G-d invented.....
inventiveness.......
and inspires many people to find certain inventions that can benefit humanity.....


Graphene screens and low cost desalination of ocean water.
 
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The rate of biological evolution can be measured and calculated.
What is the rate of your intelligence of evolution? Is it a constant?
 
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