When will Elijah the prophet appear in the world?

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precepts said in post 456:

Rev explains that the 10 horns and the 7 hills were kings.

In Revelation 17:10, the 7 "kings" can refer to 7 empires, just as the 4 "kings" in Daniel 7:17 refer to 4 empires, Daniel 7:23 referring to the 4th (i.e. the Roman Empire).

In Revelation 17:9, the 7 mountains (or hills) which support Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" can be the 7 hills of Rome. For at the time of John the apostle in the first century AD, the Roman Empire was the chief support for what Revelation's "Babylon" represents: all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3) and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). At the same time, in Revelation 17:9, the 7 mountains can also represent 7 empires (Revelation 17:10). For an empire can be referred to symbolically as a mountain (Jeremiah 51:24-25, Daniel 2:35,44), and what Revelation's "Babylon" represents has been supported by 7 empires: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam.

The first 5 had fallen by the time of John the apostle in the first century AD: "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10, Revelation 1:1b-2). The 6th (Rome) existed at the time of John: "one is" (Revelation 17:10). The 7th (possibly Islam) hadn't come by the time of John: "the other is not yet come" (Revelation 17:10). The empire of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will be a different, still-future, 8th head (Revelation 17:11), which will be a revival of one of the 5 empires that had fallen by the time of John (Revelation 17:8,10,11). It will be a revival of the empire of Babylon. The Antichrist will transform the present-day, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq) into the capital of his world empire, only to see his city of Babylon ultimately destroyed at Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 13).

Before the 2nd coming, when the world is brought into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist, during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist will build their main temple in the city of Babylon. For a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Also, the dragon has been the god worshipped in the city of Babylon since ancient times.

The Antichrist may claim to be Nebuchadnezzar returned, and so reinstitute the system that Nebuchadnezzar set up whereby everyone had to worship an image or be killed (Daniel 3, Revelation 13:15). The Antichrist may also claim to be, at the same time, the return of Nimrod (the founder of Babylon: Genesis 10:8-10), and Hammurabi, and Asoka, and other famous rulers of the past. For he may claim that he has had many different "past lives" as various "enlightened" rulers.

Besides building a main temple in Babylon, the Antichrist will also sit (at least one time) in a future, 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, and declare himself God there (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). The Antichrist could also sit (at least one time) in other religions' holiest shrines, and declare himself to be God there as well. For example, he could also sit in Islam's Kaaba in Mecca, in the Sikhs' Golden Temple in Amritsar, in Catholicism's St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, etc.

precepts said in post 456:

Rev explains that the 10 horns and the 7 hills were kings.

The 10 horns/kings of the beast in its Antichrist's-empire aspect (Revelation 13:1, Revelation 17:3,12) could be 10 men whom the Antichrist will appoint as kings over 10 major nations, which nations could be the 10 horns in Daniel 7:24. For in Daniel 7, the first 3 beasts (Daniel 7:3-6) represent the ancient empires of Babylon (lion), Medo-Persia (bear), and Greece (leopard). And the 4th beast, or 4th "king"/"kingdom" (Daniel 7:17,23), represents the ancient Roman Empire. And the 10 horns/kings which come out of it (Daniel 7:7,24) could represent 10 major kingdoms/nations today which came out the former territory of the Roman Empire, which consisted not only of Western Europe, but also the Middle East and North Africa. These 10 nations could be Germany, the U.K., France, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Algeria, and Syria.

The 10 part-iron/part-clay toes of Daniel 2:42 could represent the same thing as the 10 horns of Daniel 7:7. The Europeans could be the iron, and the Arabs and Turks could be the clay. In Daniel 2:43, the inability of the iron to mix with the clay could represent how, for example, there are many Turks living in Germany, but they remain separated in ghettoes within German cities. Similarly, there are many Algerians living in France, but they remain separated in ghettoes within French cities.

But despite this social separation, which could endure indefinitely, the people of Western Europe on the one hand, and the people of the Middle East and North Africa on the other, could still one day put aside their political separation and become united into one confederation. For Daniel 2:42 refers to the 10 as a singular "kingdom". The person who brings this about could be the Antichrist. The arising of the "little" horn (Daniel 7:8, Daniel 8:9), which is "diverse" from the 10 major nations (Daniel 7:24), could mean that the Antichrist will arise from a little country.

And the little horn arising from "among" the 10 major nations (Daniel 7:8) could mean that the Antichrist's country's territory used to be part of the Roman Empire. And before that, it was part of one of the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded the Greek Empire of Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:8-9,21-25). The territory of these 4 kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, and down into Egypt. So the Antichrist could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who will come from the little country of Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

The Antichrist could start out by claiming to be a Baathist. After becoming the leader of Lebanon, he could peacefully gain control of a Baathist confederation of 3 of the 10 major nations (Daniel 7:24): Egypt, "toward the south" of Lebanon (Daniel 8:9), and Iraq and Syria, "toward the east" of Lebanon (Daniel 8:9). This confederation could also include the minor nation of a United Palestine, i.e. a defeated Israel, "the pleasant land" (Daniel 8:9).

This Baathist confederation could be put together in the future by an Iraqi Baathist General who could completely defeat and occupy Israel and Egypt with a huge Iraqi Army (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17 the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath"), but who could then mysteriously disappear (Daniel 11:19) shortly before the Antichrist arises on the world stage (Daniel 11:21-45). Years later, when the Antichrist gains control of all 10 of the major nations, he could appoint kings over them (Revelation 17:12) who will defer to him (Revelation 17:13), like when Napoleon gained control of different nations, he appointed kings over them who would defer to him.

precepts said in post 456:

Rev explains that the 10 horns and the 7 hills were kings.

Note that Revelation 17:13 doesn't require (as is sometimes claimed) that its 10 kings will bring the Antichrist to power, instead of the other way around. For Revelation 17:12 shows that they will receive power as kings only when the Antichrist does. On the other hand, in Daniel 7:24, its 10 kings arise before the Antichrist does, and so they can be 10 major nations which currently exist, just as in Daniel 7:17, the 4 kings are 4 empires (cf. Daniel 7:23) which existed in the past.

precepts said in post 456:

Eventhough you claim what you claimed about the horns being kingdom, why is there no gaps between Babylon, Persia/Media, and Grecia? Why when it comes to Christ time there's no kings or rulers mentioned?

Christ's first-coming time was during the time of Daniel 7's fourth beast/king/kingdom (Rome).

precepts said in post 456:

The 4 beast kingdoms in Dan 7 is the 1st beast in Revelation, and the 11th horn in Dan 7's 4th beast is the 2nd beast in Revelation.

Note that the 7 heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3 aren't the same as the 7 heads in Daniel 7. For the 4 beasts in Daniel 7:3-7 represent the ancient empires of Babylon (lion), Medo-Persia (bear), Greece (leopard), and Rome (4th beast). The 4 heads of the Greek Empire (Daniel 7:6) represent the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which the Greek Empire broke up into after the death of Alexander the Great (Daniel 11:4, Daniel 8:8). But the 7 heads of the beast in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3 represent the empires of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam. So the 4 beasts in Daniel 7 represent the same thing as 4 of the 7 heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3, but the heads in Daniel 7 aren't entirely the same as the heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3. If they were entirely the same, then it would have been said, at the time of John the apostle and the Roman Empire in the first century AD, that "six are fallen" instead of "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10). For in Daniel 7, the first 3 beasts before the Roman Empire had a total of 6 heads, not 5.

 

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HannibalFlavius said in post 457:

The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in 3 measures of meal.

Amen.

Leaven can represent corruption. For Jesus referred to the false doctrine and hypocrisy of the Pharisees and Sadducees, which had corrupted how the Jews understood and practiced their religion, as being like leaven (Matthew 16:12, Luke 12:1b). And Paul referred to malice and wickedness, which can corrupt church congregations, as being like leaven (1 Corinthians 5:8). He also referred to the false, Pharisaical doctrine that believers have to be physically circumcised and keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in order to be saved (cf. Acts 15:1,5), which doctrine can corrupt church congregations, as being like leaven (Galatians 5:4-14).

But the leaven in Matthew 13:33 and Luke 13:20-21 can't represent corruption, for the kingdom of heaven/God isn't like corruption, but is righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit (Romans 14:17). The fact that Leviticus 23:16-17 says that the two loaves of the feast of Pentecost had to be leavened suggests that the leaven in Leviticus 23:16-17, Matthew 13:33, and Luke 13:20-21 could represent the Holy Spirit, who came upon the church during a feast of Pentecost in the first century AD (Acts 2). The two leavened loaves of Pentecost (Leviticus 23:16-17) could have typified how the Holy Spirit would eventually come upon both Jewish and Gentile believers (Acts 10:45). And in Matthew 13:33 and Luke 13:20-21, the woman could represent the church spreading the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands (Acts 8:17, Acts 19:6). The 3 measures of meal through which the Holy Spirit is spread (Matthew 13:33) could represent the (roughly) 3 millennia from the time of the Pentecost in Acts 2 (in the first century AD) until the end of the future millennium (Revelation 20:4-6).

Also, the 3 measures of meal through which the Holy Spirit is spread (Matthew 13:33) could represent the 3 main groups that the Jews divided humanity into at the time of Jesus' first coming: Israelites, Samaritans (Gentiles who had a quasi-Jewish religion), and Gentiles (Matthew 10:5-6). Israelites were the first to receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 2), then Samaritans (Acts 8:14-17), then Gentiles (Acts 10:45-46).

HannibalFlavius said in post 457:

The agriculture and harvests of Israel are connected with the appointed feast days of God, and when we are speaking of Harvests, we are speaking of a gathering, or gatherings.

Some people feel that the 3 harvests: firstfruits, main harvest, and gleaning, typify 3 resurrections. If that's the case, then the 3 resurrections would be: 1. the past, firstfruits resurrection of Jesus only (1 Corinthians 15:20,23); 2. the future resurrection of the entire church at his 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 15:23,52; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), which will occur immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 and right before the millennium (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6); and then 3. the resurrection at the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15), which will occur sometime after the millennium and the subsequent Gog/Magog rebellion are over (Revelation 20:7-15, Ezekiel chapters 38-39).

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HannibalFlavius said in post 459:

If we discuss the wheat and the tares, then we first must discuss the Barley harvest of Passover, and then the wheat harvest of Pentecost, and then the covering of Sukkot, and these are the sower, the wheat and tares, the mustard seed, and the 3 measures of meal that a woman hid the leaven in.

Regarding "the sower" parable (Luke 8:4-15), the last 3 types of people all received God's Word and came into faith. The one who came into faith on stony ground believed for awhile, but then subsequently committed apostasy (Luke 8:13; cf. 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:3), which ultimately results in the loss of salvation (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6; 2 Timothy 2:12b). The one who came into faith on weed-choked ground subsequently neglected to patiently continue in good works, neglected to bear fruit to perfection (Luke 8:14, Colossians 1:10, Revelation 3:1b-2). And the one who came into faith on good ground subsequently brought forth fruit with patience (Luke 8:15), which is required in order for believers to obtain ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, Matthew 7:21, James 2:24), and not to ultimately lose their salvation (John 15:2a,6, Matthew 25:26,30).

Note that Matthew 13:23 and Mark 4:8 are clear that the 30, 60, and 100-fold fruit applies only to that fruit (i.e. good works) brought forth by those believers on good ground.

HannibalFlavius said in post 459:

If we discuss the wheat and the tares, then we first must discuss the Barley harvest of Passover, and then the wheat harvest of Pentecost, and then the covering of Sukkot, and these are the sower, the wheat and tares, the mustard seed, and the 3 measures of meal that a woman hid the leaven in.

Regarding "the mustard seed" parable (Matthew 13:31-32), it's sometimes said that the birds there are evil. But while birds can sometimes represent something evil (Matthew 13:4,19), there's nothing evil about birds in themselves. Indeed, they can represent something quite good (Isaiah 40:31), and their being in trees can represent how wonderful God's earthly creation is, such as in Psalms 104:10-17. There, reference is found also to the good "bread which strengtheneth man's heart" (Psalms 104:15), similar to how Jesus followed the parable of the tree with the parable of the making of bread (Matthew 13:32-33). These are good things.

 

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I am here!

 

[HannibalFlavius]

I'm mean without reason? You're accusing me of being mean while ignoring what caused me to act mean in the first place. I consider that to be folly and a vexation of spirit. Anyone that ignores the facts to promote folly causes vexation of spirit, that's a fact support by proverbs.






Nothing you've mentioned has anything to do with the fact of the wheat and tares parable having to do with a resurrection other than the 1st and 2nd resurrections mentioned in Revelation. How does what you're saying relate to the wheat and tares parable, in your understanding?






Action speaks louder than words. Show me one instance of me forcing anything on anyone other than the facts, and I'll show numerous occasions where I've provided facts that others totally ignore, including you. So how can you judge me justly?

Can anyone call themselves a christian and ignore the facts purposely?




How do I do that?! Do I say your facts aren't facts when they are?

How do I want anyone to think I alone provide facts? Do I hypnotize anyone to think what I'm presenting is a fact when it's not?





Talk is cheap, provide the evidence. You keep accusing me instead of providing facts. Provide the facts, and stop insinuating.





You are blasphemy the word when the word says one thing and you interpret it to mean something that has no scriptural evidence to support your claim. You can't just say something is something without any proof or inclination. How can the 144,000 in Rev 7 equal Ewes and Christians when the text doesn't say that? How can you say that, if the text doesn't say that, and have no scriptural evidence to support your claim? You can't draw conclusions without some type of merit to back up your opinion, especially in a debate or a court of law, it is pure folly, pure speculation, and carries no wieght. A debate or reasoning is just what it is, using reasoning to form an intellegent deductible conclusion. A debate without logical reasoning is folly, a vexation of spirit.

You talk of a wheat harvest and no nothing of the wheat harvest.

 

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Originally Posted by precepts:

Rev explains that the 10 horns and the 7 hills were kings.

In Revelation 17:10, the 7 "kings" can refer to 7 empires, just as the 4 "kings" in Daniel 7:17 refer to 4 empires, Daniel 7:23 referring to the 4th (i.e. the Roman Empire).

The four horns in Daniel represents the 4 generals. Yes, they started four kingdoms, but the horns represent men/kings. The greek lil horn that comes up among the 4 horns is not a 5th kingdom. It represents a man/king the same way the 11th horn on the 4th beast in Dan 7 does.

The 11th horn in Dan 7 was the false prophet. Rev 7:10 says there on the 7 heads/mountians are 7 kings, five are fallen, etc.. The Beast out of the bottomless pit was the 8th. Common sense dictates these are the 10 kings/horns on the 7 heads/mountain of Revelation's 1st Beast. It's these 10 kings that burn the woman/city with fire, evident by the 11th horn, Nerva, starting the Roman historical era reign of the "Five Good Emperors."

In Revelation 17:9, the 7 mountains (or hills) which support Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" can be the 7 hills of Rome. For at the time of John the apostle in the first century AD, the Roman Empire was the chief support for what Revelation's "Babylon" represents: all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3) and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). At the same time, in Revelation 17:9, the 7 mountains can also represent 7 empires (Revelation 17:10). For an empire can be referred to symbolically as a mountain (Jeremiah 51:24-25, Daniel 2:35,44), and what Revelation's "Babylon" represents has been supported by 7 empires: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam.

This is the type of reasoning I consider blasphemy. There's nothing in scripture that supports the 7 hills being 7 empires. You're creating false doctrine. The doctrine given by scripture in Rev 17:10 specifically says the 7 heads are 7 mountains on which the woman, the city of Rome, sits.

Rome is built and walled in on 7 of 10 hills. Rome is the 4th and last beast kingdom in all prophecy, to exclude Rome and replace it with 7 nations/peoples/empire is to hide Romes scriptural history and prophecies given by Daniel.

The first 5 had fallen by the time of John the apostle in the first century AD: "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10, Revelation 1:1b-2). The 6th (Rome) existed at the time of John: "one is" (Revelation 17:10).

By doing this you're purposely excluding Rome and given it less value than the other 3 specifically mentioned beast kingdoms.

The 7th (possibly Islam) hadn't come by the time of John: "the other is not yet come" (Revelation 17:10).

Shows how much you know, Muhammed was born in the 600s bc..

The empire of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will be a different, still-future, 8th head (Revelation 17:11), which will be a revival of one of the 5 empires that had fallen by the time of John (Revelation 17:8,10,11). It will be a revival of the empire of Babylon. The Antichrist will transform the present-day, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq) into the capital of his world empire, only to see his city of Babylon ultimately destroyed at Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 13).

You know what? Over the weekend I read a free book from the "Voice of Eli-ah" that I think you're quoting from doctine for doctrine. Am I correct?

There's many false interpretation in his, so-called, directly past down teachings from John the Baptist himself. One distinct false interpretation is the antichrist being of the tribe of Dan. He totally miscomprehended the verse. The verse says the horses will be heard from Dan, not that the antichrist was from Dan. Plus, the context wasn't even about the antichrist, but about Nebuchadnezzar.

Second misinterpretation, Satan is not the antichrist, as Satan's person in the flesh as the antichrist himself, and the 1st beast in Revelation isn't the 2nd beast as the revised 1st beast's kingdom. The two beast are horns/men/kings.

Wake up and accept the facts.

The 10 horns/kings of the beast in its Antichrist's-empire aspect (Revelation 13:1, Revelation 17:3,12) could be 10 men whom the Antichrist will appoint as kings over 10 major nations, which nations could be the 10 horns in Daniel 7:24.

The 10 horns/kings are the 1st ten Roman Emperors. The same way the Greek horns represented Alexander, his 4 generals, and the greek lil horn is the same way the 10 Roman horns/kings represent the 1st ten Roman Emperors, and the same way the two horns of the Ram represented the succession of the 1st two kings of Persia/Media.

All of the 3 previous beast kingdom images represented the 1st king to the amount of horns/kings after the 1st king's reign. The 4th beast was Rome, and the 10 horns/kings are the 1st ten Roman Emperors; the 11th was the 2nd beast in Revelation and the 5th beast in Daniel.

For in Daniel 7, the first 3 beasts (Daniel 7:3-6) represent the ancient empires of Babylon (lion), Medo-Persia (bear), and Greece (leopard). And the 4th beast, or 4th "king"/"kingdom" (Daniel 7:17,23), represents the ancient Roman Empire. And the 10 horns/kings which come out of it (Daniel 7:7,24) could represent 10 major kingdoms/nations today which came out the former territory of the Roman Empire, which consisted not only of Western Europe, but also the Middle East and North Africa. These 10 nations could be Germany, the U.K., France, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Algeria, and Syria.

The 4th beast represents Rome, not 10 empires that came out of Rome. You're trying to skip over Rome being the successor of the 3 previous empires, antichrist doctrine being preached in antichristianity. Rome with her rulers is as much the beast as Babylon, Persia/Media, and Greece was.

The 10 part-iron/part-clay toes of Daniel 2:42 could represent the same thing as the 10 horns of Daniel 7:7.

The image has ten toes because the 5th kingdom is still Rome. The ten toes signify the 4th beast still being a part of the 5th beast kingdom.



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Note that Revelation 17:13 doesn't require (as is sometimes claimed) that its 10 kings will bring the Antichrist to power, instead of the other way around. For Revelation 17:12 shows that they will receive power as kings only when the Antichrist does. On the other hand, in Daniel 7:24, its 10 kings arise before the Antichrist does, and so they can be 10 major nations which currently exist, just as in Daniel 7:17, the 4 kings are 4 empires (cf. Daniel 7:23) which existed in the past.

The 10 kings recieve kingdoms one hour with the Beast by giving their power to the Beast. What kind of power? What kind of power does Satan give to the Beast, and what kind of power does the false prophet use?

Everything about this power points to sorcery.

Originally Posted by precepts:

Eventhough you claim what you claimed about the horns being kingdom, why is there no gaps between Babylon, Persia/Media, and Grecia? Why when it comes to Christ time there's no kings or rulers mentioned?

Christ's first-coming time was during the time of Daniel 7's fourth beast/king/kingdom (Rome).

So why is there no kings mentioned? Daniel prophecied to Nebuchadnezzar to Darius the Mede, and from Cyrus to the Greek lil horn is mentioned because of their fulfillment of prophecy, but when it comes to Rome, there's no horns/kings to fulfill prophecy. The horns/kings were the 1st ten Roman Emperors of which Christ himself spoke of, "five are fallen etc., and the 8th was the Beast. All these horns/kings had their prophecies.

The 11th horn/king was the false prophet prophecied in Dan 7 and in Revelation. Rome's prophecy was about the tribulation that was to follow the destruction of Shalem as the beginning of birth pains, and the issuing in of Christ's heavenly kingdom, including these horns/kings.

You and the antichrist churches are the ones refusing the chief cornerstone that strikes the image's feet during the reign of these 10 toes of iron and clay. The clay representing the 11th horn, the 2nd beast in Revelation with the two horns like a lamb, of course.

Originally Posted by precepts:

The 4 beast kingdoms in Dan 7 is the 1st beast in Revelation, and the 11th horn in Dan 7's 4th beast is the 2nd beast in Revelation.

Note that the 7 heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3 aren't the same as the 7 heads in Daniel 7.

The 7 heads aren't the 7 horns in Dan 7 because the 7 heads are 7 mountains. There're not kings at all.

I just realized this when I started to answer your reply. In all my responses I was thinking the verses said the 7 heads were 7 mountains and the 7 mountains where 7 kings, but there are not. The verse says "and there," meaning "on" the 7 mountains "there" are 7 kings, five are fallen, etc..

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

The 10 kings in Dan 7 are the 7 kings mentioned with the Beast, the 8th king. The reason the 7 and 8th are only mentioned in Rev 17:10 is because the Beast was being pointed out as being the Beast from the bottomless pit.

The 7 heads/mountains aren't kings.

For the 4 beasts in Daniel 7:3-7 represent the ancient empires of Babylon (lion), Medo-Persia (bear), Greece (leopard), and Rome (4th beast). The 4 heads of the Greek Empire (Daniel 7:6) represent the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which the Greek Empire broke up into after the death of Alexander the Great (Daniel 11:4, Daniel 8:8).

Yes, but Babylon represented Babylon, and Cyrus and Darius represented Persia/Media as one kingdom. The four empires after Alexander the Great were still Greek, so I don't see the relevance.

But the 7 heads of the beast in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3 represent the empires of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam.

Says who? You're making it up. The seven heads are defined in Rev 17:9 as - And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Does your mind have wisdom, and who is the woman sitting on the 7 hills if not for the city of Rome?

So the 4 beasts in Daniel 7 represent the same thing as 4 of the 7 heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3,

The 4 beast in Dan 7 cannot equal 4 of the 7 heads in Rev 13:1 and Rev 17:3 because the heads are mountains, not men/kings/horns.

but the heads in Daniel 7 aren't entirely the same as the heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3.

Dan 7 is 4 different beast, and the heads are the mountains Rome is built on.

If they were entirely the same, then it would have been said, at the time of John the apostle and the Roman Empire in the first century AD, that "six are fallen" instead of "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10). For in Daniel 7, the first 3 beasts before the Roman Empire had a total of 6 heads, not 5.

That's why the 1st beast in Revelation isn't described as 4 separate beast, but a beast having parts of the 4 beast.


Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

 

[precepts]

You talk of a wheat harvest and no nothing of the wheat harvest.

I talk of the "wheat and tares" harvest/parable and it's signifance to Revelation's resurrections.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

I talk of the "wheat and tares" harvest/parable and it's signifance to Revelation's resurrections.

Revelation is a book about the Holy days of God unfolding.

Where in Revelation shows the wheat harvest?

It's not that hard to prove or disprove because Revelation is a book of dates.

The wheat harvest is about 50 days after the Barley harvest, and first fruits is the 17th of Nisan.


Let's see if you get it right.

So where exactly is the Shavuot in Revelation.

 

[precepts]

Revelation is a book about the Holy days of God unfolding.

What does that have to do with anything? Why can't you stay on topic?

Where in Revelation shows the wheat harvest?

It's all about the "wheat and tares" harvest/parable.

It's not that hard to prove or disprove because Revelation is a book of dates.

The wheat harvest is about 50 days after the Barley harvest, and first fruits is the 17th of Nisan.


Let's see if you get it right.

So where exactly is the Shavuot in Revelation.

What does "Shavuot" have to do with the origninal point of the "wheat and tares" harvest/parable and it's signifance to Revelation's resurrections?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Meh.

 

[precepts]

Trees are known by their fruits, friend. It's not everyone that says Lord, Lord, is of God.

 

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precepts said in post 465:

The 11th horn in Dan 7 was the false prophet.

The beast which comes up out of the earth (Revelation 13:11-16) represents the individual man who will become the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13). He could be a (secretly apostate) pope who at some point during his tenure will make a great push for peace and unity between Christianity and Islam. He could say something like: "Why do we fight each other? Are we not all the spiritual children of Abraham and of his God, the one God? Can't we lay aside our foolish, man-made differences of theology, which have done us no good at all, but only brought us hatred and violence, and unite into one religion of Abraham, one religion of peace, based on love for the one God and love for our fellow man? What's more important than this?"

He could be so skillful in elucidating what the moderate Muslims could call "the true, peaceful, loving nature of Islam", that he could be hailed by them worldwide as (in their words) "a Great Imam, come to rescue our beloved Islam from the bad reputation falsely given to it by the terrorists". In this way, a pope could come to hold high positions of power in two religions at the same time, which could be symbolized by the two horns of the False Prophet lamb (Revelation 13:11). This would be similar to how the 7 horns of the true-Jesus lamb in Revelation 5:6 could represent the true Jesus holding 7 positions of power at the same time (cf. Jesus wearing many crowns at the same time in Revelation 19:12). The False Prophet could even say that he is Jesus. (But he won't say that he's Christ, for the False Prophet and the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ, and will deny that Christ is in the flesh: 1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7.)

Once the False Prophet by his amazing miracles has brought the world under his spell (Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), including many Muslims and Christians who may not care much for scriptural dogma, but could go wild over his signs and wonders, he could begin to (in his words) "restore to the world the real message which was spoken by me (Jesus) at my first coming, and by the great prophet Mohammed, but which message became corrupted by power-hungry men when they copied and changed the early manuscripts of the Bible and the Koran". He could then gradually initiate the world into the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism (1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4-6), a religion which could have existed since ancient times in some "mystery" cults, and which still exists today in the highest degree of initiation of a worldwide secret society. The False Prophet could present his miraculously calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof that Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist are the true God (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), in an inversion of how back in Old Testament times, Elijah miraculously called fire down from heaven to prove that YHWH is the true God (1 Kings 18:37-39).

precepts said in post 465:

It's these 10 kings that burn the woman/city with fire, evident by the 11th horn, Nerva, starting the Roman historical era reign of the "Five Good Emperors."

Do you mean that the woman/city in Revelation 17:16,18 was Jerusalem, burned by a Roman-empire army in 70 AD? If so, note that while the corrupt aspects of first century Jerusalem (and of other cities) are included in what Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents, it represents much more than just the corrupt aspects of first century Jerusalem. For first century Jerusalem just by itself didn't reign over the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18). Nor was first century Jerusalem the only place where people bought merchandise (Revelation 18:11). Nor had first century Jerusalem just by itself corrupted the entire world (Revelation 18:3). Nor had first century Jerusalem been continuously supported by the empires of fallen man throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). Instead, Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10).

In Revelation 11:8, the great city is Jerusalem, where Jesus was crucified. But in Revelation 21:10, the great city is New Jerusalem, which is now in heaven. And in Revelation 14:8, Revelation 17:18, and Revelation 18:10-21, the great city is the symbolic harlot/city of Babylon. When it's destroyed, it will be found no more at all (Revelation 18:21), forever (Revelation 19:3), unlike Jerusalem, which was found again after its only-temporary destruction in 70 AD.

The 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will destroy with fire what Revelation's "Babylon" represents (Revelation 17:16-17) when they destroy the cities of the earth (Revelation 16:19), probably with nukes (and probably with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number six in English gematria), at the time of the 7th vial (Revelation 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Revelation 16:17) of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:2 to 20:6, Matthew 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Lucifer/Satan (Isaiah 14:17,12), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

Near the very end of the future tribulation, Lucifer (employing the ancient lies of Gnosticism) could say to the Antichrist and his 10 kings something like: "Our great battle against the evil, tyrant god YHWH is about to begin [Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19], a battle which we will win, and so we will be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this material universe, and return to the wholly-spiritual Pleroma [i.e. Heaven]. So let us now destroy this prison cell, this foul planet, and let us, as it were, burn up all the gewgaws which we have hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break all our chains of attachment to this vile physical realm, that we might more freely ascend back to our rightful place in the Pleroma [Isaiah 14:13-14]".

Of course this will be a lie. For at his 2nd coming, Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will completely defeat the world's armies, arrayed against YHWH (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-6, Isaiah 14:15). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3). And after the 1,000 years and subsequent events are over (Revelation 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new first heaven, a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1). And then God will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem, to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Revelation 21:2-4).

precepts said in post 465:

Shows how much you know, Muhammed was born in the 600s bc..

Actually, Muhammad wasn't born until about 570 AD.

precepts said in post 465:

Over the weekend I read a free book from the "Voice of Eli-ah" that I think you're quoting from doctine for doctrine. Am I correct?

No, haven't read it. What was presented was based on the Biblical references given.

precepts said in post 465:

One distinct false interpretation is the antichrist being of the tribe of Dan.

Both of the Antichrist's parents could be Arabs (if his mother wasn't impregnated by Satan). But from some long-ago ancestor, the Antichrist could also have some blood in him from the tribe of Dan (Genesis 49:17), which could be the reason that the tribe of Dan isn't included in the 12 tribes of the 144,000 (Revelation 7:4-8; there, "Joseph" stands for Ephraim: Numbers 1:32, Psalms 78:67, Ezekiel 37:16b,19).

precepts said in post 465:

Second misinterpretation, Satan is not the antichrist, as Satan's person in the flesh as the antichrist himself, and the 1st beast in Revelation isn't the 2nd beast as the revised 1st beast's kingdom.

Regarding "Satan is not the antichrist", that's right. Note that it hasn't been said that he is, in what has been presented here.

Satan (the dragon, Revelation 12:9) isn't the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), but the one who will empower the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4; 2 Thessalonians 2:9) and who will be worshiped along with the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4). The Antichrist will be cast into the lake of fire over 1,000 years before Satan is cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20 to 20:10). The Antichrist and Satan are shown to be separate persons also in Revelation 16:13. But Satan could spiritually enter the man who is the Antichrist, just as Satan spiritually entered Judas (Luke 22:3).

precepts said in post 465:

What kind of power does Satan give to the Beast, and what kind of power does the false prophet use?

Revelation 13:2b refers to when Satan (the dragon, Revelation 12:9) will give the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) Satan's own earthly throne (seat) and power, so that the Antichrist will have power over all the nations of the earth (Revelation 13:7). This is what Satan offered Jesus, if he would worship Satan (Luke 4:5-7). In the first century AD, Satan's earthly throne was in the city of Pergamum (in what's now Turkey) (Revelation 2:12-13). Satan's earthly throne could be the Great Altar of Pergamum, also called the Pergamon Altar, which in ancient times was sometimes included as one of the 7 wonders of the world.

It may not be just a coincidence that shortly after the Pergamon Altar was moved to Berlin around 1900 AD, both World Wars were started from Berlin, or that "the Nazi-era architect Albert Speer used the Pergamon Altar as the model for the Zeppelintribüne, 1934-37. The Führer's pulpit was in the center of the tribune" (Pergamon Altar - Wikipedia) (quote has been deleted for some reason). When the Antichrist is given power over the whole earth (Revelation 13:7), his throne could be located in the center of the actual Pergamon Altar, which he could move from Berlin to a main temple to himself (and to Lucifer/Satan) in the literal, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq). For a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Also, the dragon has been the god worshipped in the city of Babylon since ancient times.

precepts said in post 465:

The reason the 7 and 8th are only mentioned in Rev 17:10 is because the Beast was being pointed out as being the Beast from the bottomless pit.

One aspect of Revelation's first beast is that it's a powerful fallen angel (referred to with a Greek masculine-pronoun "he" in Revelation 17:11) who's now literally in the bottomless pit and will ascend from it during the future tribulation to spiritually empower the empire of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 17:8-11), empire being a 3rd aspect of the beast, represented by the animal symbols of Revelation 13:1-2. The fallen-angel aspect of the beast could be the angelic prince whom Satan had assigned to spiritually empower the ancient empire of Babylon, just as Satan had assigned other fallen angelic princes to spiritually empower the subsequent ancient empires of Persia and Greece (Daniel 10:13,20). When the ancient empire of Babylon was defeated, the fallen angelic prince empowering it could have been cast into the bottomless pit. This same fallen angel could be released to empower a revival of the empire of Babylon during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18).

The release of the powerful fallen angelic prince of Babylon from the bottomless pit could occur at the same time as the unbinding of 4 other powerful fallen angels now bound at the Euphrates (Revelation 9:14b), who could have been bound there at the fall of the ancient empire of Babylon. When these 4 fallen angels are released at one point during the future tribulation, they will cause an army of 200 million weird horse-like beings to kill 1/3 of mankind (Revelation 9:15-19). This could be done in order to make mankind completely desperate before its complete takeover by Satan and the Antichrist mid-tribulation, when Satan and his fallen angels will be cast down from heaven to the earth permanently after losing a mid-tribulation war in heaven (Revelation 12:7 to 13:18).

 

[precepts]

Originally posted by precepts:
The 11th horn in Dan 7 was the false prophet.

The beast which comes up out of the earth (Revelation 13:11-16) represents the individual man who will become the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13). He could be a (secretly apostate) pope who at some point during his tenure will make a great push for peace and unity between Christianity and Islam.

The antichrist was the historical 12th Roman Emperor, Nerva; and the Beast was the historical 9th Roman Emperor, Flavius. The same way the Greek horns, the Persian horns, and Nebuchadnezzar were kings is the same way the 10 horns and crowns are men because Rome is the city built on 7 of the 10 Roman hills! Why do you keep ignoring the facts? There's no gap between the beast kingdoms. They were all men connected thru their successions, kings by kings, and kingdoms by kingdoms. There's only 4 kingdoms mentioned in Daniel's prophecy for a reason. You're perverting scripture promoting 2,000 yr old gaps between prophecies. Christ prophecies of his heavenly kingdom was fulfilled as prophecied in Mat 24, Dan 7, and in the book of Revelation.

By the way, in the 16th century ad., Pope Gregory, of the Gregorian Calendar of which we use today, renovated the 3 unused Roman hills/mountains into one hill to house the popes, the modern day resident of the presidents of Italy.

Originally posted by precepts:
It's these 10 kings that burn the woman/city with fire, evident by the 11th horn, Nerva, starting the Roman historical era reign of the "Five Good Emperors."

Do you mean that the woman/city in Revelation 17:16,18 was Jerusalem, burned by a Roman-empire army in 70 AD?

Shalem is not mentioned as one of the 4 beast kingdoms in Daniel because Rome is the 4th and the last beast kingdom. Rome is the great city burnt by the first 10 Roman Emperors, built on 7 of the 10 Roman hills. Didn't I mention it before? The burning obviously isn't a physical fire because these ten kings reigned from 14 ad to 96 ad.

In Revelation 11:8, the great city is Jerusalem, where Jesus was crucified. But in Revelation 21:10, the great city is New Jerusalem, which is now in heaven. And in Revelation 14:8, Revelation 17:18, and Revelation 18:10-21, the great city is the symbolic harlot/city of Babylon. When it's destroyed, it will be found no more at all (Revelation 18:21), forever (Revelation 19:3), unlike Jerusalem, which was found again after its only-temporary destruction in 70 AD.

Shalem doesn't have ten kings to burn her with fire. The great city is Rome. The ten kings are the 1st 10 Emperors of what you're calling spiritual Babylon, Rome.







There's no gap between the kings and the kingdoms:

Babylon - Nebuchadnezzar and his two sons, conquered by Darius and then Cyrus.

Persia/Media - Darius the Mede to the last Persia/Media king conquered by Alexander the Great.

Greece - Alexander the Great, his 4 Generals, Greek lil horn of Antioch to the last Greek king of that kingdom, conquered by Augustus Ceasar.

Rome - Augustus Caesar to the 8th, historical 9th Roman Emperor, uprooted by the 11th, historical 12th Roman Emperor Nerva.

Rome's 2nd kingdom - Nerva after uprooting Flavius and his two sons, The Flavian Dynasty, begins the reign of the 5 Good Emperors, Nerva being the last Roman Emperor in Rome's history to be Roman by birth or blood.


There's no gap between the Beasts. Daniel's prophecy ends at the scriptural 11th horn of the 4th beast in Dan 7:7, which is the 2nd beast in Rev 13. There's no gap between the kingdoms and the kings. The reason why there's no kings/horns mentioned after Nerva's 5th beast in Dan 7:7 and the 2nd beast in Revelation is because Rome stamps and crushes the whole world, meaning it lasts until the end of time, aka antichristianity.

There's a reason why only these 4 kingdoms are mentioned. It's because they are the only enemies of God until the end of the Time. There's no other kingdom mentioned as an additional 10. You're perverting scripture, and hiding the true identity of the Beasts.






You've said several times in previous posts that the four beasts in Dan 7 equal kingdoms, but they don't they represent kings:

Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.



Four great beasts, four kings:
1. Babylon = Nebuchadnezzar
2. Persia = Cyrus
3. Greece = Alexander the Great
4. Rome = Augustus Caesar

These four men are beasts. You have to acknowledge Rome's king/beast and horns.

 

[Time Watcher]

"There's no gap between the Beasts"


Well there is .... and Rome existed in the breach of silence between

The ancient Roman empire and subsequent empires over the centuries simply cannot be found, much less named, with in the scope of the prophets visions

Believe it or not .... the breach is there and can be found in all of the related prophetic visions

Understanding this truth is essential if one is going to interpret the same with accuracy

 

[zeke37]

no gap...rome was a beast.

 

[zeke37]

Revelation is a book about the Holy days of God unfolding.

true

Where in Revelation shows the wheat harvest?
It's not that hard to prove or disprove because Revelation is a book of dates.

The wheat harvest is about 50 days after the Barley harvest, and first fruits is the 17th of Nisan.

Let's see if you get it right.

So where exactly is the Shavuot in Revelation.

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I'm interested in your opinion.
where do u think it is detailed.
I will weigh it against what I already believe, and see what happens.

plus, what was the Gregorian date of this years Passover, acc. to current day Jewish calendars ?
plus, when is the 3rd harvest? grapes?

What does that have to do with anything? Why can't you stay on topic?

it is on topic, possibly
Elijah is thought to be one of the two witnesses,
and the two witnesses show up to herald the King, (the fulfillment of the 7th trump)
at a specific biblical Hebrew date (Feast of Trumpets)

i'm not sure how Hannibal is connecting Shavuot to Rev.

waiting to see

 

[Interplanner]

Elijah has already come and they did to him what they wanted.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Elijah is foretold to come in the last days, and the reason he has to come is obvious.


Elijah was sent to the Northern kingdom of Israel because they chose their own Holy city, instituted their own festivals and Holy days, and separated from Judah, and Jerusalem.

Elijah's job is to unite one peoples, to another peoples, just as it was the mission of John the Baptist to prepare a highway for the gentiles returning from the Northern kingdom.


Two witnesses.
One is an assistant to the groom, and the other is an assistant to the bride.


Here is some of what Eddie Chumney says in his book,'' The 7 feasts of the Messiah.

The bride and the groom would be in the wedding chamber for seven days. When the bride and the groom initially went into the wedding chamber, the friend of the bridegroom stood outside the door. All the assembled guests of the wedding gathered outside, waiting for the friend of the bride-groom to announce the consummation of the marriage, which was relayed to him by the groom. John (Yochanan) the Immerser (Baptist) referred to this in John 3:29. At this signal, great rejoicing broke forth (John 3:29). The marriage was consummated on the first night (Genesis [Bereishit] 29:23). The bloodstained linen from this night was preserved. It was proof of the bride's virginity (Deuteronomy [Devarim] 22:13-21).


On the wedding day, the bridegroom is seen as a king and the bride as a queen. During the consummation of the marriage, the bridegroom (Yeshua) will be crowned King over all the earth and the bride (the believers in Yeshua, the Messiah) will live with Him and rule with Him forever. The crowning of the King and the marriage can be seen in Isaiah 62:3-7. At the end of the week (seven-year tribulation, or birthpangs of the Messiah), the marriage supper will take place. The marriage supper will not take place in Heaven. After the marriage, the bride and Groom will return to earth. The marriage supper will be taking place on earth and only the invited guests of the Father of the Groom (G-d the Father) will be present at the banquet meal. This can be seen in Revelation 19:7-16 and 20:4. Yeshua spoke of the marriage supper and the banquet in Luke 12:35-38 and Matthew 8:11. The wedding supper is a theme of the festival of Sukkot, which will be discussed further in a later chapter. During Sukkot, the people were instructed by G-d to build a temporary shelter. One of the things G-d instructed the people to do is eat there. When they eat, they are to set a plate for seven different people. Among the seven whom a plate is set for are Abraham (Avraham), Isaac (Yitzchak), and Jacob (Ya'akov). This is what Yeshua was referring to in Matthew 8:11.

The unbelievers in the Messiah will attend a separate banquet where the fowls of the air will eat their flesh. This can be seen in Revelation 19:17-18. The home of the bride was Jerusalem and it was the bridegroom who came to the bride to dwell with her. It is from Jerusalem that the believers in the Messiah during the Messianic age, or Millennium, will reign with the Messiah. This can be seen in Revelation 21:1-3; Ezekiel 43:1-2,7; Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-5; and Zechariah 2:l0-12.
One of the reasons for blowing the shofar is to proclaim the resurrection of the dead. In addition, the thirteenth principle of the Jewish faith is belief in the resurrection of the dead. The resurrection of the dead will take place on Rosh HaShanah (Talmud, Rosh HaShanah l6b). In First Corinthians 15:52, the apostle Paul (Rav Sha'ul) tells us that the resurrection of the dead will be "at the last trump." Earlier, in First Corinthians 15:14, he wrote that without the Messiah rising from the dead, our faith is in vain.



We cannot go to the Book of Revelation and say that the voice of the seventh angel (Revelation 11:15) is the last trump. In the first century, the last trump (shofar) meant a specific day in the year. In Judaism, there are three trumpets (shofarim) that have a name. They are the first trump, the last trump, and the great trump. Each one of these trumpets indicates a specific day in the Jewish year. The first trump is blown on the Feast of Shavuot (Pentecost) (Exodus [Shemot] 19:19). It proclaimed that G-d had betrothed Himself to Israel. The last trump is synonymous with Rosh HaShanah, according to Theodore Gaster in his book, Festivals of the Jewish Year, in his chapter on Rosh HaShanah. Herman Kieval also states the same thing in his book, The High Holy Days (Volume I, Rosh HaShanah, Chapter 5, Footnote 11), in the chapter on the shofar. The great trumpet is blown on Yom Kippur, which will herald the return of the Messiah Yeshua back to earth (Matthew [Mattityahu] 24:31).
The first and last trump relate to the two horns of the ram, which according to Jewish tradition, was caught in the thicket on Mount Moriah when Abraham (Avraham) was ready to slay Isaac (Yitzchak) and offer him up as a burnt offering (olah). This ram became the substitute for Isaac (Yitzchak) even as Yeshua became the substitute for us and provided life for us through His death. In Pirkei Avot (the sayings of the fathers), Rabbi Eliezer tells us that the left horn (first trump) was blown on Mount Sinai, and its right horn (the last trump) will be blown to herald the coming of the Messiah. Isaiah (Yeshayahu) 18:3 and First Thessalonians 4:13-18 speak of the resurrection of the dead. First Thessalonians chapter 5 continues with the day of the L-rd and the birthpangs of the Messiah. The festivals will, beyond a shadow of a doubt, tell you that the resurrection of the dead precedes the time of Jacob's trouble (also known as the tribulation). First Thessalonians 4:16-17 says that the dead in Messiah will rise first, and that the catching away of the believers will immediately follow

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Every wedding will have two witnesses. They are called the friends ofthe bridegroom. One is assigned to the groom and one is assigned tothe bride. In Exodus 19:17, Moses (Moshe) is seen as one ofthe two witnesses whose job is to escort the bride to meet the groom under the chupah (Mount Sinai). In order for the ketubah, the written contract between the husband and the wife, to be legal in consummating the marriage, it must be signed by the two witnesses, the friends ofthe bridegroom.

Since we can see that Moses (Moshe) was one of the two witnesses, he had to sign the Ketubah (Torah) in order for the full marriage between G-d and Israel to be consummated. However, when Moses (Moshe) returned from being with G-d on Mount Sinai, he did not sign the Ketubah (Torah). Instead he broke the two tablets (ketubah), which were in his right hand (Exodus 32:19), thus not signing the ketubah which G-d had made with Israel.Therefore, he did not allow Israel to enter into the full marriage.Moses (Moshe) broke the two tablets (ketubah) when he saw that Israel was worshiping the golden calf and thus were being unfaithful in theirmarriage.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

In the biblical wedding service that G-d gave, after you are married,
you have a honeymoon. The honeymoon lasts a week and is known as the
seven days of the chupah. Seven days equals a week. In Hebrew, a week
means a seven. It can mean seven days or seven years (Daniel
9:24-27;Genesis 29:27). In Joel 2:16, we see the
marriage of the bride (the believers in Yeshua) and the bridegroom
(Yeshua) where the bridegroom is going forth from the chamber and the
bride out of her closet.

The word closet is the Hebrew word chupah,
and the chupah here refers to Heaven. After the honeymoon in heaven,
Yeshua will be returning with His bride to attend the marriage supper
(Revelation 19:7-14). Then we will rule and reign with Him physically
during the Messianic age known as the Millennium (Revelation 20:4).

 

[HannibalFlavius]

If the thunders have spoken, it is because it happens to be a certain point in the marriage.

They have uttered their voices before, but when?





And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.