When will Elijah the prophet appear in the world?

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precepts said in post 495:

Care to name these four kings?

In Daniel 7, the first 3 beasts (Daniel 7:3-6) represent the ancient empires of Babylon (lion), Medo-Persia (bear), and Greece (leopard). The 4th beast, or 4th "king"/"kingdom" (Daniel 7:17,23), represents the ancient Roman Empire. The 10 horns/kings which come out of it (Daniel 7:7,24) could represent 10 major kingdoms/nations today which came out the former territory of the Roman Empire, which consisted not only of Western Europe, but also the Middle East and North Africa. These 10 nations could be Germany, the U.K., France, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Algeria, and Syria. The 10 part-iron/part-clay toes of Daniel 2:42 could represent the same thing as the 10 horns of Daniel 7:7. The Europeans could be the iron, and the Arabs and Turks could be the clay. In Daniel 2:43, the inability of the iron to mix with the clay could represent how, for example, there are many Turks living in Germany, but they remain separated in ghettoes within German cities. Similarly, there are many Algerians living in France, but they remain separated in ghettoes within French cities.

But despite this social separation, which could endure indefinitely, the people of Western Europe on the one hand, and the people of the Middle East and North Africa on the other, could still one day put aside their political separation and become united into one confederation. For Daniel 2:42 refers to the 10 as a singular "kingdom". The person who brings this about could be the Antichrist. The arising of the "little" horn (Daniel 7:8, Daniel 8:9), which is "diverse" from the 10 major nations (Daniel 7:24), could mean that the Antichrist will arise from a little country.

And the little horn arising from "among" the 10 major nations (Daniel 7:8) could mean that the Antichrist's country's territory used to be part of the Roman Empire. And before that, it was part of one of the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded the Greek Empire of Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:8-9,21-25). The territory of these 4 kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, and down into Egypt. So the Antichrist could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who will come from the little country of Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

The Antichrist could start out by claiming to be a Baathist. After becoming the leader of Lebanon, he could peacefully gain control of a Baathist confederation of 3 of the 10 major nations (Daniel 7:24): Egypt, "toward the south" of Lebanon (Daniel 8:9), and Iraq and Syria, "toward the east" of Lebanon (Daniel 8:9). This confederation could also include the minor nation of a United Palestine, i.e. a defeated Israel, "the pleasant land" (Daniel 8:9).

This Baathist confederation could be put together in the future by an Iraqi Baathist General who could completely defeat and occupy Israel and Egypt with a huge Iraqi Army (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17 the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath"), but who could then mysteriously disappear (Daniel 11:19) shortly before the Antichrist arises on the world stage (Daniel 11:21-45). Years later, when the Antichrist gains control of all 10 of the major nations, he could appoint kings over them (Revelation 17:12) who will defer to him (Revelation 17:13), like when Napoleon gained control of different nations, he appointed kings over them who would defer to him.

precepts said in post 495:

Is the Beast not a man/king with the seven kings on the seven hills (Rome)?

Regarding "Is the Beast not a man/king", yes. For "beasts" can refer figuratively to men (Titus 1:12). Revelation uses a Greek masculine-pronoun "him" to refer to its beast (Revelation 13:8) when it's referring to the individual "man" (Revelation 13:18) aspect of its beast, commonly called the Antichrist, the individual "man of sin" (2 Thessalonians 2:3) who will sit in a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). He will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and himself (Revelation 13:4,8, Revelation 12:9).

He will rule the earth for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:5-10, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7), and will have a miracle-working False Prophet (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13), who by amazing, Satanic miracles (cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:9), such as calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13), will deceive the people of the world into worshipping a speaking (possibly an android) image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:15), and receiving a mark of the Antichrist's name or gematrial name-number (666) on their right hand or forehead (Revelation 13:16-18). The Antichrist and his False Prophet will ultimately be cast into the lake of fire at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:20), whereas at that time Satan will be bound in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-3). None of these things has happened yet.

The idea of a future, individual-man Antichrist was correctly recognized in the scriptures by the church from early on. Irenaeus (born c. 140 AD) used the term: "speaking of Antichrist, [Paul] says, 'who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped'" (Against Heresies 3:6:5; 2 Thessalonians 2:4); "...by means of the events which shall occur in the time of Antichrist is it shown that he, being an apostate and a robber, is anxious to be adored as God" (Against Heresies 5:25:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36, Revelation 13:8); "...when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem" (Against Heresies 5:30:4b; Revelation 13:5; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7); "...the number of the name of the beast ... the name of Antichrist" (Against Heresies 5:30:1; Revelation 13:17c-18).

The gematrial numerical values of the letters in the Antichrist's name will add up to six hundred and sixty-six (Revelation 13:17c-18).

precepts said in post 495:

Is the Beast not a man/king with the seven kings on the seven hills (Rome)?

Regarding "the seven kings on the seven hills (Rome)", in Revelation 17:10 the 7 "kings" can refer to 7 empires, just as the 4 "kings" in Daniel 7:17 refer to 4 "kingdoms"/empires, Daniel 7:23 referring to the 4th (i.e. the Roman Empire).

Also, in Revelation 17:9 the 7 mountains (or hills) which support Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" can be the 7 hills of Rome. For at the time of John the apostle in the first century AD, the Roman Empire was the chief support for what Revelation's "Babylon" represents: all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3) and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). At the same time, in Revelation 17:9, the 7 mountains can also represent 7 empires (Revelation 17:10). For an empire can be referred to symbolically as a mountain (Jeremiah 51:24-25, Daniel 2:35,44), and what Revelation's "Babylon" represents has been supported by 7 empires: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam.

The first 5 had fallen by the time of John the apostle in the first century AD: "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10, Revelation 1:1b-2). The 6th (Rome) existed at the time of John: "one is" (Revelation 17:10). The 7th (possibly Islam) hadn't come by the time of John: "the other is not yet come" (Revelation 17:10). The empire of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will be a different, still-future, 8th head (Revelation 17:11), which will be a revival of one of the 5 empires that had fallen by the time of John (Revelation 17:8,10,11). It will be a revival of the empire of Babylon. The Antichrist will transform the present-day, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq) into the capital of his world empire, only to see his city of Babylon ultimately destroyed at Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 13).

Before the 2nd coming, when the world is brought into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist, during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist will build their main temple in the city of Babylon. For a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Also, the dragon has been the god worshipped in the city of Babylon since ancient times.

The Antichrist may claim to be Nebuchadnezzar returned, and so reinstitute the system that Nebuchadnezzar set up whereby everyone had to worship an image or be killed (Daniel 3, Revelation 13:15). The Antichrist may also claim to be, at the same time, the return of Nimrod (the founder of Babylon: Genesis 10:8-10), and Hammurabi, and Asoka, and other famous rulers of the past. For he may claim that he has had many different "past lives" as various "enlightened" rulers.

Besides building a main temple in Babylon, the Antichrist will also sit (at least one time) in a future, 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, and declare himself God there (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). The Antichrist could also sit (at least one time) in other religions' holiest shrines, and declare himself to be God there as well. For example, he could also sit in Islam's Kaaba in Mecca, in the Sikhs' Golden Temple in Amritsar, in Catholicism's St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, etc.

precepts said in post 495:

If you list the 4 kings/beasts in Dan 7, you would understand the 1st Roman Emperor/king Augustus Caesar was the 4th king/beast of the four. He's also the 1st king of the 10 kings in Rev 17:12 because the 10 kings are the first 10 scriptural Roman emperors. The Beast is the 8th king of the ten and seven.

Note that the 10 kings in Revelation 17:12 can't be the first 10 Roman emperors, because all 10 "have received no kingdom as yet" (Revelation 17:12), and all 10 will "receive power as kings one hour with the beast" (Revelation 17:12). That is, all 10 will receive power at the same time, and only when the (never fulfilled) Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will receive power for a literal 42 months (Revelation 13:4-18).

precepts said in post 495:

If the 7 heads were 7 kings/empires they would be described in Rev 13's first beast, but their not. Rev 13's first beast is described with the parts of the 4 beasts in Dan 7 because they represent the 4 kings in Dan 7.

The 7 heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3 aren't the same as the 7 heads in Daniel 7. For the 4 beasts in Daniel 7:3-7 represent the ancient empires of Babylon (lion), Medo-Persia (bear), Greece (leopard), and Rome (4th beast). The 4 heads of the Greek Empire (Daniel 7:6) represent the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which the Greek Empire broke up into after the death of Alexander the Great (Daniel 11:4, Daniel 8:8). But the 7 heads of the beast in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3 represent the empires of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam. So the 4 beasts in Daniel 7 represent the same thing as 4 of the 7 heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3, but the heads in Daniel 7 aren't entirely the same as the heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3. If they were entirely the same, then it would have been said, at the time of John the apostle and the Roman Empire in the first century AD, that "six are fallen" instead of "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10). For in Daniel 7, the first 3 beasts before the Roman Empire had a total of 6 heads, not 5.

 

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HannibalFlavius said in post 496:

Zechariah 14 is devoted to the Feast of Tabernacles, it is a day peculiar to the Lord when night turns to day as it happens on the feast of Tabernacles.

Zechariah 14:16 refers to the future celebration of what will be a New Covenant form of the feast of tabernacles, not the feast of tabernacles of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law. For on Jesus' cross, for both Jews and Gentiles (John 11:51-52), of all times, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was abolished (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18), disannulled (Hebrews 7:18), rendered obsolete (Hebrews 8:13, Galatians 3:2-25, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8), taken away and replaced (Hebrews 10:9) by the better hope (Hebrews 7:19), the better covenant (Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-12), the 2nd covenant (Hebrews 8:7, Hebrews 10:9), of Jesus' New Covenant law (Galatians 6:2, John 1:17, Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 9:15), so that the law was changed (Hebrews 7:12).

All believers, both Jews and Gentles, of all times, are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law and shouldn't keep it (Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Galatians 2:11-21) or have any desire to keep it (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25). Believers keep the spirit of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 7:6) by loving others (Galatians 5:14, Romans 13:8-10), by doing to others as they would have others do to them (Matthew 7:12).

The New Covenant is a new law (Hebrews 7:12,18,19, Hebrews 10:1-23), consisting of Jesus' New Covenant/New Testament commandments (John 14:15), such as those he gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37). These commandments exceed in righteousness the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Matthew 5:20-48). So there's no reason why any believer should ever want to go back under the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). It was just a temporary schoolmaster (Galatians 3:24-25), a temporary shadow (Colossians 2:16-17), which God set up because of sins long after he'd set up the original promise of the Abrahamic Covenant, and long before he brought that promise to fulfillment in Jesus' New Covenant (Galatians 3:16-29, Matthew 26:28).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been made obsolete by the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:13). For example, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required an Aaronic priesthood (Exodus 30:30), whereas the New Covenant replaced the Aaronic priesthood with the Melchisedechian priesthood (Hebrews 7:11-28). Also, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required animal sacrifices (e.g. Leviticus 23:19), whereas the New Covenant replaced those with the one-time sacrifice of Jesus (Hebrews 10).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law is the Hagar to the New Covenant's Sarah (Galatians 4:22-25), so that those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who try to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law are like Ishmael, while those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who keep the New Covenant are like Isaac (Galatians 4:22-31).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (including the letter of the 10 commandments), written and engraven in stones (2 Corinthians 3:7, Deuteronomy 4:13, Deuteronomy 27:8), was the ministration of death and condemnation (2 Corinthians 3:7,9). For example, see Leviticus 20:10, Exodus 31:14, and Numbers 15:32-36; and contrast these with the New Covenant's John 8:4-11 and Matthew 12:1-8. The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been done away (2 Corinthians 3:11), abolished (2 Corinthians 3:13b). But it's still able to spiritually blind some people as with a veil from beholding Jesus (2 Corinthians 3:14-16), whereas the New Covenant is the ministration of the spirit and righteousness (2 Corinthians 3:6,8,9b), which remains (2 Corinthians 3:11b), and which permits believers to remove the veil and to behold Jesus (2 Corinthians 3:16-18, Mark 15:38, Hebrews 7:18-19, Ephesians 2:15-18, Colossians 2:14-17).

But a mistaken spirit of Pharisaism can still sometimes deceive even Christians into thinking that they must keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in order to be saved (Acts 15:1,5), or in order to become perfect (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). This is a false, cursed gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). For if any believers are keeping any part of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, thinking that they must do so in order to be saved, or in order to become perfect, then Jesus will profit them nothing; they have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:2-8).

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HannibalFlavius said in post 498:

Second Trumpet: The Seas Struck

8 Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. 9 And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

Third Trumpet: The Waters Struck

10 Then the third angel sounded: And a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. 11 The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter.

Regarding the 2nd trumpet, Revelation 8:8a could refer to the collapse into the ocean of an erupting volcano, possibly one of the Canary Islands. Revelation 8:8b could refer to 1/3 of the North Atlantic turning blood-red due to a gigantic amount of blood-red mud pouring forth from the volcano into the sea for an extended period of time. Revelation 8:9a could refer to 1/3 of the sea creatures in the North Atlantic dying because of there being so much mud in the water. Revelation 8:9b could refer to 1/3 of the North Atlantic's ships being destroyed in port by a massive tsunami caused by the volcano's collapse into the ocean. This tsunami could destroy the eastern seaboard of the U.S.

If such a tsunami occurs, it could cause a string of awful, Fukushima-type, nuclear-meltdown radiation disasters in the nuclear power plants and their nuclear-waste storage facilities all along the eastern seaboard of the U.S. Also, if the tsunami breaks open the germ-containment structures on Plum Island, just off the coast of Connecticut, especially deadly viruses and bacteria could be washed inland and spread across the U.S. and Canada as they infect animals and people.

After the volcanic activity and possible tsunami, a comet will strike the earth (Revelation 8:10-11), possibly in the U.S. and Canadian Great Lakes region. As the comet falls from the sky, it will look like a great star, or like a burning lamp in the sky (Revelation 8:10). It will strike a region of the earth which contains 1/3 of the world's fresh surface water (Revelation 8:10b), and it will contain some poisonous element which will poison that water so that many who drink from it will die (Revelation 8:11b). Sometime after that, weird locust-like beings will swarm up from the bottomless pit of the earth to torment mankind with excruciating stings for 5 months (Revelation 9:2-10). The world could see them as "aliens" who had been hibernating for thousands of years in a cavern deep underground. The locust-like beings won't kill anyone, but they will make those they sting want to die, the pain will be so bad (Revelation 9:5-6).

 

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Ebed.


Do you believe that a Messianic age is coming where the saints will rule and reign with Christ for a thousand years?


If not, then why not?

If you do believe it, then what you believe in is the feast of Tabernacles.


Zechariah 14 is devoted to the Feast of Tabernacles, it is a day peculiar to the Lord when night turns to day as it happens on the feast of Tabernacles.


To wait on an incorruptible body is waiting on the promise of a New Sukkah where there is no more pain, no more suffering, no hunger, no tears, no thirst, but to live in a New Tabernacle created by God.

That's the promise of Sukkot that we wait upon.

The Messianic Age is NOW.

NEWSFLASH!!!

Jesus came as Messiah...He started his church, and the are ruling and reigning with Him RIGHT NOW Hannibal.

I'll keep pointing you to Matthew 28:18-20:
18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Zechariah 14:16 refers to the future celebration of what will be a New Covenant form of the feast of tabernacles, not the feast of tabernacles of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law. For on Jesus' cross, for both Jews and Gentiles (John 11:51-52), of all times, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was abolished (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18), disannulled (Hebrews 7:18), rendered obsolete (Hebrews 8:13, Galatians 3:2-25, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8), taken away and replaced (Hebrews 10:9) by the better hope (Hebrews 7:19), the better covenant (Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-12), the 2nd covenant (Hebrews 8:7, Hebrews 10:9), of Jesus' New Covenant law (Galatians 6:2, John 1:17, Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 9:15), so that the law was changed (Hebrews 7:12).

All believers, both Jews and Gentles, of all times, are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law and shouldn't keep it (Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Galatians 2:11-21) or have any desire to keep it (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25). Believers keep the spirit of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 7:6) by loving others (Galatians 5:14, Romans 13:8-10), by doing to others as they would have others do to them (Matthew 7:12).

The New Covenant is a new law (Hebrews 7:12,18,19, Hebrews 10:1-23), consisting of Jesus' New Covenant/New Testament commandments (John 14:15), such as those he gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37). These commandments exceed in righteousness the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Matthew 5:20-48). So there's no reason why any believer should ever want to go back under the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). It was just a temporary schoolmaster (Galatians 3:24-25), a temporary shadow (Colossians 2:16-17), which God set up because of sins long after he'd set up the original promise of the Abrahamic Covenant, and long before he brought that promise to fulfillment in Jesus' New Covenant (Galatians 3:16-29, Matthew 26:28).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been made obsolete by the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:13). For example, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required an Aaronic priesthood (Exodus 30:30), whereas the New Covenant replaced the Aaronic priesthood with the Melchisedechian priesthood (Hebrews 7:11-28). Also, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required animal sacrifices (e.g. Leviticus 23:19), whereas the New Covenant replaced those with the one-time sacrifice of Jesus (Hebrews 10).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law is the Hagar to the New Covenant's Sarah (Galatians 4:22-25), so that those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who try to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law are like Ishmael, while those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who keep the New Covenant are like Isaac (Galatians 4:22-31).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (including the letter of the 10 commandments), written and engraven in stones (2 Corinthians 3:7, Deuteronomy 4:13, Deuteronomy 27:8), was the ministration of death and condemnation (2 Corinthians 3:7,9). For example, see Leviticus 20:10, Exodus 31:14, and Numbers 15:32-36; and contrast these with the New Covenant's John 8:4-11 and Matthew 12:1-8. The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been done away (2 Corinthians 3:11), abolished (2 Corinthians 3:13b). But it's still able to spiritually blind some people as with a veil from beholding Jesus (2 Corinthians 3:14-16), whereas the New Covenant is the ministration of the spirit and righteousness (2 Corinthians 3:6,8,9b), which remains (2 Corinthians 3:11b), and which permits believers to remove the veil and to behold Jesus (2 Corinthians 3:16-18, Mark 15:38, Hebrews 7:18-19, Ephesians 2:15-18, Colossians 2:14-17).

But a mistaken spirit of Pharisaism can still sometimes deceive even Christians into thinking that they must keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in order to be saved (Acts 15:1,5), or in order to become perfect (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). This is a false, cursed gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). For if any believers are keeping any part of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, thinking that they must do so in order to be saved, or in order to become perfect, then Jesus will profit them nothing; they have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:2-8).

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Regarding the 2nd trumpet, Revelation 8:8a could refer to the collapse into the ocean of an erupting volcano, possibly one of the Canary Islands. Revelation 8:8b could refer to 1/3 of the North Atlantic turning blood-red due to a gigantic amount of blood-red mud pouring forth from the volcano into the sea for an extended period of time. Revelation 8:9a could refer to 1/3 of the sea creatures in the North Atlantic dying because of there being so much mud in the water. Revelation 8:9b could refer to 1/3 of the North Atlantic's ships being destroyed in port by a massive tsunami caused by the volcano's collapse into the ocean. This tsunami could destroy the eastern seaboard of the U.S.

If such a tsunami occurs, it could cause a string of awful, Fukushima-type, nuclear-meltdown radiation disasters in the nuclear power plants and their nuclear-waste storage facilities all along the eastern seaboard of the U.S. Also, if the tsunami breaks open the germ-containment structures on Plum Island, just off the coast of Connecticut, especially deadly viruses and bacteria could be washed inland and spread across the U.S. and Canada as they infect animals and people.

After the volcanic activity and possible tsunami, a comet will strike the earth (Revelation 8:10-11), possibly in the U.S. and Canadian Great Lakes region. As the comet falls from the sky, it will look like a great star, or like a burning lamp in the sky (Revelation 8:10). It will strike a region of the earth which contains 1/3 of the world's fresh surface water (Revelation 8:10b), and it will contain some poisonous element which will poison that water so that many who drink from it will die (Revelation 8:11b). Sometime after that, weird locust-like beings will swarm up from the bottomless pit of the earth to torment mankind with excruciating stings for 5 months (Revelation 9:2-10). The world could see them as "aliens" who had been hibernating for thousands of years in a cavern deep underground. The locust-like beings won't kill anyone, but they will make those they sting want to die, the pain will be so bad (Revelation 9:5-6).

You take your idea of the law from a man who continued keeping the law until he died.

You are looking at Revelation as if it were all literal, it is not.

 

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Originally Posted by precepts:

Daniel 7:23 shows that the 4 "kings" in Daniel 7:17 are 4 "kingdoms"/empires,
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Care to name these four kings?

In Daniel 7, the first 3 beasts (Daniel 7:3-6) represent the ancient empires of Babylon (lion), Medo-Persia (bear), and Greece (leopard). The 4th beast, or 4th "king"/"kingdom" (Daniel 7:17,23), represents the ancient Roman Empire. The 10 horns/kings which come out of it (Daniel 7:7,24) could represent 10 major kingdoms/nations today which came out the former territory of the Roman Empire, which consisted not only of Western Europe, but also the Middle East and North Africa. These 10 nations could be Germany, the U.K., France, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Algeria, and Syria.

Care to name the four kings that represent the 4 beasts?

Original posted by precepts:
Is the Beast not a man/king with the seven kings on the seven hills (Rome)?

Regarding "Is the Beast not a man/king", yes. For "beasts" can refer figuratively to men

I am talking about the "Beast" from the bottomless pit. He is a man just like the 7 kings on the 7 hills. That's the point. The heads aren't kingdoms, but mountiains on which the woman sits. The woman is the city of Rome. The 7 kings and the 8th king, the "Beast" from the bottomless pit, are the kings of Rome. These are the 8th included in the ten because they give their power to the 8th king, the "Beast" from the bottomless pit. It's that simple.

Original posted by precepts:
If the 7 heads were 7 kings/empires they would be described in Rev 13's first beast, but their not. Rev 13's first beast is described with the parts of the 4 beasts in Dan 7 because they represent the 4 kings in Dan 7.

Regarding "the seven kings on the seven hills (Rome)", in Revelation 17:10 the 7 "kings" can refer to 7 empires, just as the 4 "kings" in Daniel 7:17 refer to 4 "kingdoms"/empires, Daniel 7:23 referring to the 4th (i.e. the Roman Empire).

Horns nowhere in scripture represents kingdoms, only kings. The ten kings include the 7 kings and the 8th king, the "Beast" from the bottomless pit, because they give their power to the :Beast," the 8th king, the "Beast." The false prophet is the 11th horn who sets up the worship of the "Beast," the 8th horn/king. It's not 18 kings, only 11 on the 4th beast in Dan 7, the 1st and 2nd beasts in Revelation 13.

Original posted by precepts:
If you list the 4 kings/beasts in Dan 7, you would understand the 1st Roman Emperor/king Augustus Caesar was the 4th king/beast of the four. He's also the 1st king of the 10 kings in Rev 17:12 because the 10 kings are the first 10 scriptural Roman emperors. The Beast is the 8th king of the ten and seven.

Note that the 10 kings in Revelation 17:12 can't be the first 10 Roman emperors, because all 10 "have received no kingdom as yet" (Revelation 17:12), and all 10 will "receive power as kings one hour with the beast" (Revelation 17:12). That is, all 10 will receive power at the same time, and only when the (never fulfilled) Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will receive power for a literal 42 months (Revelation 13:4-18).

How does anyone recieve power and a kingdom for one hour?! Is the beast suppose to last 10 kings' lifetime? No! They recieve power and a kingdom when they give their power to the "Beast" during their reign, thus burning the city of Rome with fire (not literal fire but wars, etc.), and attacking the heavenly Shalem with the Beast and the Antichrist, "the kings of the earth." This is why Dan 7:9 says "he beheld until the thrones were cast down." It was their thrones that were cast down when they recieved them the one hour in the heavenly attack.

Original posted by precepts:
If the 7 heads were 7 kings/empires they would be described in Rev 13's first beast, but their not. Rev 13's first beast is described with the parts of the 4 beasts in Dan 7 because they represent the 4 kings in Dan 7.

The 7 heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3 aren't the same as the 7 heads in Daniel 7.

Yes they are!

For the 4 beasts in Daniel 7:3-7 represent the ancient empires of Babylon (lion), Medo-Persia (bear), Greece (leopard), and Rome (4th beast).

And why can't you name these four kings so I can prove my point?

The 4 heads of the Greek Empire (Daniel 7:6) represent the 4 Diadochian Greek kingdoms which the Greek Empire broke up into after the death of Alexander the Great (Daniel 11:4, Daniel 8:8).

Nowhere in scripture claims the four heads of the leopard equals the four kingdoms. Of the two verses you quote, none say that. Dan 8:8 says the four horns, because horns represent kings. You're assuming they represent kingdoms, but scripture doesn't say that.

But the 7 heads of the beast in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3 represent the empires of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam.

Once again, you're assuming and adding unscriptural doctrine to scripture. There's nowhere in scripture saying the 7 heads are kingdoms. We've been thru this before, the 7 heads are seven mountians on which the city of Rome sits. This is a scriptural fact.

So the 4 beasts in Daniel 7 represent the same thing as 4 of the 7 heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3, but the heads in Daniel 7 aren't entirely the same as the heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3. If they were entirely the same, then it would have been said, at the time of John the apostle and the Roman Empire in the first century AD, that "six are fallen" instead of "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10). For in Daniel 7, the first 3 beasts before the Roman Empire had a total of 6 heads, not 5.

You're adding to scripture. Scripture only says the 7 heads are mountains, nothing else. Scripture doesn't say the 4 heads of the leopard were 7 kingdoms, You're adding to scripture. Scripture defines scripture. The 7 heads are the 7 mountains on which the woman sits, the city of Rome. The five fallen kings were from Augustus to Nero, the beginning of the Roman civil war, the "yr of 4 Emperors,' the beginning of the birth pains and the rumours of wars.


Care to name the four kings that represent the 4 beasts?

 

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HannibalFlavius said in post 504:

You take your idea of the law from a man who continued keeping the law until he died.

Are you thinking of Acts 21:24? If so, Paul didn't object to the charges in Acts 21:21, because they were true (Romans 7:6, Galatians 2:11-21, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17). And he didn't object to the request in Acts 21:23-24a, because of the principle in 1 Corinthians 9:20, and because the practices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in themselves are still holy, for the Old Covenant Mosaic law in itself is still holy (Romans 7:12). So Paul wasn't sinning by participating in them. Also, Acts 21:24b doesn't require that the charges in Acts 21:21 were false. All Acts 21:24b means is that if Paul agreed to the request in Acts 21:23-24a, the charges in Acts 21:21 might be negated in the minds of Jews who (mistakenly) thought that Jews still had to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law.

HannibalFlavius said in post 504:

You are looking at Revelation as if it were all literal, it is not.

Revelation is almost entirely literal, for it's unsealed (Revelation 22:10), meaning that it shouldn't be difficult for saved people of any time to understand it if they simply read it as it's written: chronologically and almost-entirely literally. The few parts of it that are symbolic are almost always explained afterward (e.g. Revelation 1:20, Revelation 17:9-12). And Revelation's few symbols not explained afterward (e.g. Revelation 13:2) are usually explained elsewhere in the Bible (e.g. Daniel 7:4-7,17).

Just as Jesus' 2nd coming in Revelation 19:7 to 20:3 will be fulfilled almost entirely literally, so the events of the preceding tribulation in Revelation chapters 6 to 18 will be fulfilled almost entirely literally. Also, the millennium in Revelation 20 will be literal, and will begin after Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21), when he will reign on the earth with the bodily resurrected church for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11). After that, the events of Revelation 20:7 to 22:5 will occur literally.

 

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precepts said in post 505:

Care to name the four kings that represent the 4 beasts?

See posts 489 and 501.

precepts said in post 505:

I am talking about the "Beast" from the bottomless pit.

See the last section of post 471.

precepts said in post 505:

Horns nowhere in scripture represents kingdoms, only kings.

Just as in Daniel 7:17, the 4 "kings" were 4 kingdoms/empires, the Roman empire being the 4th "kingdom" (Daniel 7:23), and just as the two "horns" in Daniel 8:3 which Alexander the Great himself broke in Daniel 8:7 were the two kingdoms of the Medes and the Persians (i.e. the Medo-Persian empire) (Cyrus and Darius themselves had already been dead for about 200 and 150 years, respectively, by the time of Alexander's conquest), and just as the 4 horns in Daniel 8:8 were 4 "kingdoms" (Daniel 8:22), so in Daniel 7:24 the 10 horns/"kings" can be 10 major kingdoms/nations which currently exist, and which arose into prominence from the territory of the Roman empire. "And another shall rise after them" (Daniel 7:24) can refer to the country of Lebanon, from which the Antichrist could arise and bring to prominence on the world stage. The Antichrist could come from Lebanon's city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

precepts said in post 505:

The false prophet is the 11th horn who sets up the worship of the "Beast," the 8th horn/king.

See the first section of post 471.

precepts said in post 505:

How does anyone recieve power and a kingdom for one hour?!

In Revelation 17:12, the original Greek word (hora, G5610) translated as "hour" can refer to any period of "time". For example, the last "hora" (Greek) or "time" (KJV) of 1 John 2:18 has been going on for the last 2,000 years. In the case of Revelation 17:12, it's referring to the (never fulfilled) time of the literal 42-month worldwide reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-18).

precepts said in post 505:

Dan 8:8 says the four horns, because horns represent kings. You're assuming they represent kingdoms, but scripture doesn't say that.

Note that the 4 horns in Daniel 8:8 were 4 "kingdoms" (Daniel 8:22).

precepts said in post 505:

There's nowhere in scripture saying the 7 heads are kingdoms.

Just as the 4 heads in Daniel 7:6 represented the 4 Diadochian Greek "kingdoms" which the Greek Empire broke up into after the death of Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:22), so the 7 heads of Revelation's beast in its empire aspect (Revelation 13:1, Revelation 17:3) can represent 7 different kingdoms/empires. Also, just as Jeremiah 51:24-25 refers to the kingdom/empire of Babylon as a "mountain", and Daniel 2:35,44 refers to Christ's kingdom as a "mountain", so when Revelation 17:9 says that the 7 heads are 7 "mountains", this can include the meaning that the 7 heads are 7 different kingdoms/empires.

precepts said in post 505:

We've been thru this before, the 7 heads are seven mountians on which the city of Rome sits.

Yes, they can include that meaning as well, as was pointed out in the 2nd paragraph of the 3rd section of post 501.

precepts said in post 505:

Scripture doesn't say the 4 heads of the leopard were 7 kingdoms, You're adding to scripture.

Note that it wasn't said that the 4 heads of the leopard were 7 kingdoms.

 

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[precepts]

See posts 489 and 501.



See the last section of post 471.



Just as in Daniel 7:17, the 4 "kings" were 4 kingdoms/empires, the Roman empire being the 4th "kingdom" (Daniel 7:23), and just as the two "horns" in Daniel 8:3 which Alexander the Great himself broke in Daniel 8:7 were the two kingdoms of the Medes and the Persians (i.e. the Medo-Persian empire) (Cyrus and Darius themselves had already been dead for about 200 and 150 years, respectively, by the time of Alexander's conquest), and just as the 4 horns in Daniel 8:8 were 4 "kingdoms" (Daniel 8:22), so in Daniel 7:24 the 10 horns/"kings" can be 10 major kingdoms/nations which currently exist, and which arose into prominence from the territory of the Roman empire. "And another shall rise after them" (Daniel 7:24) can refer to the country of Lebanon, from which the Antichrist could arise and bring to prominence on the world stage. The Antichrist could come from Lebanon's city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).



See the first section of post 471.



In Revelation 17:12, the original Greek word (hora, G5610) translated as "hour" can refer to any period of "time". For example, the last "hora" (Greek) or "time" (KJV) of 1 John 2:18 has been going on for the last 2,000 years. In the case of Revelation 17:12, it's referring to the (never fulfilled) time of the literal 42-month worldwide reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-18).



Note that the 4 horns in Daniel 8:8 were 4 "kingdoms" (Daniel 8:22).



Just as the 4 heads in Daniel 7:6 represented the 4 Diadochian Greek "kingdoms" which the Greek Empire broke up into after the death of Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:22), so the 7 heads of Revelation's beast in its empire aspect (Revelation 13:1, Revelation 17:3) can represent 7 different kingdoms/empires. Also, just as Jeremiah 51:24-25 refers to the kingdom/empire of Babylon as a "mountain", and Daniel 2:35,44 refers to Christ's kingdom as a "mountain", so when Revelation 17:9 says that the 7 heads are 7 "mountains", this can include the meaning that the 7 heads are 7 different kingdoms/empires.



Yes, they can include that meaning as well, as was pointed out in the 2nd paragraph of the 3rd section of post 501.



Note that it wasn't said that the 4 heads of the leopard were 7 kingdoms.

Who is the king of the 4th beast in Dan 7? Name the four kings who represent the 4 Beasts in Dan 7. I don't have the time to search thru old threads. Who are the four kings, particularly, the 4th king of the 4th beast in Dan 7?

 

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HannibalFlavius said in post 508:

Liars were paid to lie against Stephen saying that Stephen taught Jews to forsake the law, why were they paid?

Some people were paid to falsely testify as purported eyewitnesses that Stephen was a blasphemer against Moses himself and God himself (Acts 6:11). But their other accusations in Acts 6:14 could have very well been true, for those things are in accord with what history and scripture show. I.e., Jesus did indeed have Jerusalem and the temple destroyed in 70 AD, and his New Covenant is indeed different than the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law which came through Moses (John 1:17).

Jesus shows in the Sermon on the Mount how his New Covenant, Christian commandments are stricter than the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law. For the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law forbade murder (Matthew 5:21, Exodus 20:13), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law forbids even calling people names (Matthew 5:22). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law forbade adultery (Matthew 5:27, Exodus 20:14), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law forbids even looking at another woman with lust (Matthew 5:28). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law permitted divorce and remarriage (Matthew 5:31, Deuteronomy 24:1-2), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law forbids it (Matthew 5:32, Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18), except for a single exemption granted only to husbands who discover that their newlywed wife isn't a virgin, but had committed fornication (Matthew 19:9).

Jesus also shows in the Sermon on the Mount that while his New Covenant, Christian law is stricter than the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, at the same time it's also more merciful. For the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required taking an eye for an eye (Matthew 5:38, Deuteronomy 19:21), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law requires turning the other cheek (Matthew 5:39). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required hatred for one's enemies (Matthew 5:43, Deuteronomy 23:6), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law requires love for one's enemies (Matthew 5:44). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, the ministration of death (2 Corinthians 3:7), required, for example, that adulterers be put to death (Leviticus 20:10), whereas Jesus showed mercy to the woman caught in adultery (John 8:4-11). And, for another example, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required that anyone who does any work on the sabbath is to be put to death (Exodus 31:14, Numbers 15:32-36), whereas Jesus allowed his disciples to work on the sabbath and said that they were guiltless (Matthew 12:1-8), just as Jesus himself worked on the sabbath (John 5:17-18).

So in obeying Jesus' New Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29, John 14:15; 1 Corinthians 14:37), believers, whether Jews or Gentiles, are both more merciful and loving, and they also exceed in righteousness those who try to keep the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Matthew 5:20-48, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).

HannibalFlavius said in post 508:

LIARS lied about Paul and what he did is extremely evident

Note that nothing says or requires that the accusations against Paul in Acts 21:21 were false, for they're in accord with Romans 7:6, Galatians 2:11-21, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Ephesians 2:15-16, and Colossians 2:14-17. And Paul didn't object to the request in Acts 21:23-24a, because of the principle in 1 Corinthians 9:20.

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HannibalFlavius said in post 509:

And what does Jesus say about the person who doesn't keep the least of the commandments and teaches others not to keep the commandments?

Matthew 5:19-20 refers to the New Covenant/New Testament commandments/sayings (Matthew 5:19, Matthew 7:24-29) which Jesus, as the Christ (Matthew 5:17b, Luke 24:44-46), was just about to give in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29), and which New Covenant commandments "exceed in righteousness" (Matthew 5:20 to 7:29) the (now) abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Some people were paid to falsely testify as purported eyewitnesses that Stephen was a blasphemer against Moses himself and God himself (Acts 6:11). But their other accusations in Acts 6:14 could have very well been true, for those things are in accord with what history and scripture show. I.e., Jesus did indeed have Jerusalem and the temple destroyed in 70 AD, and his New Covenant is indeed different than the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law which came through Moses (John 1:17).

Jesus shows in the Sermon on the Mount how his New Covenant, Christian commandments are stricter than the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law. For the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law forbade murder (Matthew 5:21, Exodus 20:13), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law forbids even calling people names (Matthew 5:22). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law forbade adultery (Matthew 5:27, Exodus 20:14), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law forbids even looking at another woman with lust (Matthew 5:28). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law permitted divorce and remarriage (Matthew 5:31, Deuteronomy 24:1-2), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law forbids it (Matthew 5:32, Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18), except for a single exemption granted only to husbands who discover that their newlywed wife isn't a virgin, but had committed fornication (Matthew 19:9).

Jesus also shows in the Sermon on the Mount that while his New Covenant, Christian law is stricter than the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, at the same time it's also more merciful. For the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required taking an eye for an eye (Matthew 5:38, Deuteronomy 19:21), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law requires turning the other cheek (Matthew 5:39). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required hatred for one's enemies (Matthew 5:43, Deuteronomy 23:6), whereas Jesus' New Covenant law requires love for one's enemies (Matthew 5:44). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, the ministration of death (2 Corinthians 3:7), required, for example, that adulterers be put to death (Leviticus 20:10), whereas Jesus showed mercy to the woman caught in adultery (John 8:4-11). And, for another example, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required that anyone who does any work on the sabbath is to be put to death (Exodus 31:14, Numbers 15:32-36), whereas Jesus allowed his disciples to work on the sabbath and said that they were guiltless (Matthew 12:1-8), just as Jesus himself worked on the sabbath (John 5:17-18).

So in obeying Jesus' New Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29, John 14:15; 1 Corinthians 14:37), believers, whether Jews or Gentiles, are both more merciful and loving, and they also exceed in righteousness those who try to keep the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Matthew 5:20-48, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).



Note that nothing says or requires that the accusations against Paul in Acts 21:21 were false, for they're in accord with Romans 7:6, Galatians 2:11-21, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Ephesians 2:15-16, and Colossians 2:14-17. And Paul didn't object to the request in Acts 21:23-24a, because of the principle in 1 Corinthians 9:20.

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Matthew 5:19-20 refers to the New Covenant/New Testament commandments/sayings (Matthew 5:19, Matthew 7:24-29) which Jesus, as the Christ (Matthew 5:17b, Luke 24:44-46), was just about to give in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29), and which New Covenant commandments "exceed in righteousness" (Matthew 5:20 to 7:29) the (now) abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).

Jesus did not break the law, he did not work on the Sabbath and he did not teach his disciples to work on the Sabbath. Jesus broke Jewish tradition of what they saw in breaking the law, but Jesus did not break the law, he healed on the Sabbath and the law was never meant to stop somebody from saving somebody else, or healing somebody else.


If Jesus broke the law, then he could not have fulfilled the law and been our Messiah.


Now you say, or insinuate that the accusations against Paul were true?

That's absolutely ridiculous.


Ridiculous, I can think of no other word for it.


Now you are saying that the liars were not liars, but they were telling the truth?

Ridiculous.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

whereas Jesus allowed his disciples to work on the sabbath and said that they were guiltless (Matthew 12:1-8), just as Jesus himself worked on the sabbath (John 5:17-18).

Note that nothing says or requires that the accusations against Paul in Acts 21:21 were false, for they're in accord with

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Does anyone else agree with these statements made by Bible?


This is appalling to me.

 

[precepts]

See posts 489 and 501.



See the last section of post 471.



Just as in Daniel 7:17, the 4 "kings" were 4 kingdoms/empires, the Roman empire being the 4th "kingdom" (Daniel 7:23), and just as the two "horns" in Daniel 8:3 which Alexander the Great himself broke in Daniel 8:7 were the two kingdoms of the Medes and the Persians (i.e. the Medo-Persian empire) (Cyrus and Darius themselves had already been dead for about 200 and 150 years, respectively, by the time of Alexander's conquest), and just as the 4 horns in Daniel 8:8 were 4 "kingdoms" (Daniel 8:22), so in Daniel 7:24 the 10 horns/"kings" can be 10 major kingdoms/nations which currently exist, and which arose into prominence from the territory of the Roman empire. "And another shall rise after them" (Daniel 7:24) can refer to the country of Lebanon, from which the Antichrist could arise and bring to prominence on the world stage. The Antichrist could come from Lebanon's city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).



See the first section of post 471.



In Revelation 17:12, the original Greek word (hora, G5610) translated as "hour" can refer to any period of "time". For example, the last "hora" (Greek) or "time" (KJV) of 1 John 2:18 has been going on for the last 2,000 years. In the case of Revelation 17:12, it's referring to the (never fulfilled) time of the literal 42-month worldwide reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-18).



Note that the 4 horns in Daniel 8:8 were 4 "kingdoms" (Daniel 8:22).



Just as the 4 heads in Daniel 7:6 represented the 4 Diadochian Greek "kingdoms" which the Greek Empire broke up into after the death of Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:22), so the 7 heads of Revelation's beast in its empire aspect (Revelation 13:1, Revelation 17:3) can represent 7 different kingdoms/empires. Also, just as Jeremiah 51:24-25 refers to the kingdom/empire of Babylon as a "mountain", and Daniel 2:35,44 refers to Christ's kingdom as a "mountain", so when Revelation 17:9 says that the 7 heads are 7 "mountains", this can include the meaning that the 7 heads are 7 different kingdoms/empires.



Yes, they can include that meaning as well, as was pointed out in the 2nd paragraph of the 3rd section of post 501.



Note that it wasn't said that the 4 heads of the leopard were 7 kingdoms.

Who is the king of the 4th beast in Dan 7? Name the four kings who represent the 4 Beasts in Dan 7. I don't have the time to search thru old threads. Who are the four kings, particularly, the 4th king of the 4th beast in Dan 7?

 

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HannibalFlavius said in post 512:

Jesus did not break the law, he did not work on the Sabbath and he did not teach his disciples to work on the Sabbath. Jesus broke Jewish tradition of what they saw in breaking the law, but Jesus did not break the law, he healed on the Sabbath and the law was never meant to stop somebody from saving somebody else, or healing somebody else.

Jesus did away with the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law sabbath (Colossians 2:16-17, cf. Hebrews 10:1a), just as he did away with all the rest of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19). Jesus and his disciples broke the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law sabbath (Exodus 31:15, John 5:17-18, Matthew 12:2). Also, regarding Matthew 12:1-8, the Pharisees were able to distinguish between the Old Covenant Mosaic "law" (Matthew 12:2, Exodus 31:15) and "the tradition of the elders" (Matthew 15:2). And in Matthew 12:1-8, neither the Pharisees nor Jesus made any reference to any extra-legal "traditions". Instead, in Matthew 12:1-8, Jesus admitted that his disciples were breaking the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law sabbath. For he employed Old Testament examples where David also did something "which was not lawful" (Matthew 12:4) and where priests also "profaned the sabbath" (Matthew 12:5-6), just as at a different time Jesus stated that he worked on the sabbath (John 5:17-18; cf. Exodus 31:15).

HannibalFlavius said in post 512:

If Jesus broke the law, then he could not have fulfilled the law and been our Messiah.

Are you thinking of Matthew 5:17-18? If so, Matthew 5:17-18 means that Jesus came the first time not to abolish the prophecies in the Mosaic law and the Old Testament prophets regarding the Christ's first coming, but to fulfill all those prophecies (Luke 24:44-48; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53). Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean that Jesus came not to abolish the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, for he did come to do that, on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19). Also, Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean that Jesus came to fulfill the letter of all the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments, for he couldn't possibly have done that. For example, some of those commandments applied only to women after childbirth (Leviticus 12:4-8), or to wives suspected of adultery by their husbands (Numbers 5:19-31).

As the Christ (Matthew 5:17, Luke 24:44-46), the mediator of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-9), Jesus had the divine authority to contradict the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments and replace them with his own, even better, New Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:38-44, Matthew 19:7-9, John 8:5-7), such as those he gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37; 1 Thessalonians 4:2). And as the Christ, Jesus had the divine authority to allow his disciples to break the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Matthew 12:1-8).

HannibalFlavius said in post 512:

Now you say, or insinuate that the accusations against Paul were true?

Yes, insofar as the accusations against Paul in Acts 21:21 were certainly true, based on Paul's explicit teachings in Romans 7:6, Galatians 2:11-21, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Ephesians 2:15-16, and Colossians 2:14-17.

Under the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, physical circumcision was required for a male, whether Jew or Gentile, whether infant or adult, to become part of Israel (Exodus 12:48, Leviticus 12:3). But under the New Covenant, physical circumcision isn't required for a Gentile to become part of Israel. All that's required is faith in Jesus (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29). That's one of the ways that the New Covenant is "not according to" the Old Covenant (Jeremiah 31:32). The letter of the entire Old Covenant Mosaic law has been abolished (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6).

Also, unlike the abolished physical circumcision of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, the spiritual circumcision of the New Covenant of Jesus (Colossians 2:11-13, Philippians 3:3, Romans 2:29) makes no distinction between males and females (Galatians 3:28-29).

Also, a non-Christian, genetic Jew, even though he may be physically circumcised, is spiritually uncircumcised (Acts 7:51), and so spiritually isn't a Jew (Romans 2:28-29, Revelation 2:9b, Revelation 3:9). He has been broken off in spirit from the good olive tree of Israel, the genetic Jews' own tree (Romans 11:20,24).

HannibalFlavius said in post 512:

Now you are saying that the liars were not liars, but they were telling the truth?

The liars in Acts 6 were liars with regard to Acts 6:11, but not with regard to Acts 6:14.

 

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B2 wrote:
just as he did away with all the rest of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16

But this sense is not 'doing away with the law' if you mean the core ethic of caring for one's neighbor as oneself. He did away with its accusation. You are far too simplistic for the question, as usual, B2. You don't seem to be aware of context many, many times. You just find words like a search engine might find them. If you go to Rom 3, you find the final line to be that 'the law is upheld.' That means it is an ethical base and it means that there is more reverence for God's standards in the overall message of the Gospel that requires propitiation for failure than there is in a message which says that human observance can satisfy God's demands.

But you did well on Mt 12.

 

[precepts]

Bible2, what's the name of the 4th king, and how does he relate to the 7 heads being 7 empires in Revelation 17.? Is he the king of the 1st of the 7 empires also?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

edited, I was rude to Bible.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

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[SG9]

The first thing we need to determine is when is "The great and terrible day of the lord"?
"When will Elijah the prophet appear in the world?"

Elijah will arrive at the appointed time, and nobody seems to know even when Christ comes. What's your point, really?