When will Elijah the prophet appear in the world?

[HannibalFlavius]

You post a lot of good posts...I like that you see the reuniting of the two houses

Thanks, I think of things like this.

One day it will happen to Judah first, God opens his eye up within Jews and he has a face to face where he pleads with them.

The dwellings of Judah will be saved fir so that the inhabitants of the house of David{us} shall not be able to boast against what God does when he opens his eyes in Judah first.

It is after that that Joseph is found, the two peoples mount up and spoil the whole world.

When Christian united with Jews as one people, who appoint for themselves one King. And then the very mention of Judah terrifies people because Joseph and his people are now one body.


6“On that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot in a woodpile, like a flaming torch among sheaves. They will consume all the surrounding peoples right and left, but Jerusalem will remain intact in her place.
7“The Lord will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem’s inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. 8On that day the Lord will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the Lord going before them. 9On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem.
Mourning for the One They Pierced
10“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirita of grace and supplication. They will look onb me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. 11On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14and all the rest of the clans and their wives

 

[Strong in Him]

October 16/17 2013 Elijah begins the 40 days of Elul
30 days later(november 14/15 2013) will be the feast of trumpets(rosh hashanah) and will be "the day of the lord" which is the judgement on america and some say a harvest whether it be 1 of 3 harvests:

That remains to be seen.
If nothing happens tomorrow, and nothing happens in November, then presumably all of this was hust your interpretation of Scripture. There have been a lot of those recently.

 

[Bible2]

Jon Anon said in post 350:

30 days later(november 14/15 2013) will be the feast of trumpets(rosh hashanah) and will be "the day of the lord" which is the judgement on america . . .

Regarding "the day of the Lord", the day of the Lord/Christ (2 Thessalonians 2:2) will begin at the Lord Jesus Christ's 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10), which won't occur until Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, "immediately after" the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8), which is when the rapture will occur (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

Jon Anon said in post 350:

30 days later(november 14/15 2013) will be the feast of trumpets(rosh hashanah) and will be "the day of the lord" which is the judgement on america . . .

Regarding "the judgment on America", what verses are you thinking of here, and what do you expect to happen?

Jon Anon said in post 350:

1. 42 months Jacobs trouble(america destruction)
2. first half of 7 year tribulation
3. last of 7 year tribulation

The time of Jacob's trouble which he will be saved out of (Jeremiah 30:7) won't be before the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, but only the final pillaging of the Jews in Jerusalem at the very end of the tribulation, right before Jesus returns and saves them (Zechariah 14:2-5). The church, including Gentile believers (Revelation 7:9,14), will be in the tribulation (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6).

Jon Anon said in post 350:

Those last 10 years are the repentance chance for the tribulation saints

The saints who will be in the tribulation will be the church, for they will be believers in Jesus Christ (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 7:9,14, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6), and now there are no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6). Those in the church who will be in the tribulation could include most of the believers alive today, for there will be no pre-tribulation rapture (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Matthew 24:29-31).

Also, Matthew 24 was addressed privately to only believers (Matthew 24:3,4,9), and in Jesus' mind all believers of all times are one (John 17:20-21, Ephesians 4:4-6). The entire book of Revelation was likewise addressed to only believers (Revelation 1:1-4, Revelation 22:16). Just as the (mistaken) pre-tribulation-rapture view admits that, for example, John 14 and Matthew 24's parallel chapter of Luke 21 can apply to those in the church today (e.g. Luke 21:36, John 14:3), so the pre-tribulation-rapture view should be able to admit that Matthew 24 and Revelation chapters 6 to 18 can apply to those in the church today.

Matthew 24:9-13 refers to the future killing of Christians, those who will be hated and killed for the name of Jesus Christ (Matthew 24:9) in every nation during the future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 13:5-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6). Matthew 24:9-13 shows that not all Christians will continue to love Jesus during that time, but some Christians' love for him will grow cold because of their unrepentant sin (Matthew 24:12; 1 Timothy 4:1-2; 2 Timothy 4:3-4) and their becoming offended (Matthew 24:10) that he would let them suffer in the tribulation (Matthew 13:21, Isaiah 8:21-22; 1 Peter 4:12-13). Only those Christians who continue to love Jesus to the end will be ultimately saved (Matthew 24:13).

 

[ebedmelech]

Hannibal...no doubt in my mind you just don't like the apostle Paul very much...because Paul say the very opposite of what you say.

What think ye of Paul?

 

[precepts]

The 3 divisions of priests.

Merari was stationed North of the Temple
Gershon is stationed West of the Temple
Kohath is stationed South of the Temple.


Out of these 3 are 24 elders and these all have names, and are mentioned in Revelation as surrounding the throne just as the ribs surround your heart, and inside are the 4 beast which we all choose.

I don't know how you can claim to know so much about Ewish culture and not know the divisions of the priest were among Aaron's two remaining sons, after his elder two were burnt up for burning strange fire before the Lord i the wilderness. The three divisions you're quoting is the divisions of the sons of Levi, and they were divided in 4 groups.

 

[zeke37]

If you read the book of Jonah you see the feasts played out throughout the book

1. Jonah in the fish 3 days
Jesus in the tomb 3 days

so that's the festival of the Lord's firstfruits of the barley harvest.
that time of the year, was the end of March this year

2. 40 day call to repentance
Elul is a 40 day call to repentance

Elul is the 6th month in the Hebrew Calendar.
it is always either 29 or 30 days long,like every other biblical month is
it is never 40 days long.

this year's new moon that ended Elul, was on Aug7th,
and the first light of the crescent moon was sighted on Aug 8th-9th
marking the beginning of the 7th month.

fyi, then after Trumpets, the next 10 days are the 10 days of Awe,
and they lead up to the Lord's feast of Atonement
then 3 days later, it's the Lord's Feast of Tabernacle time

3. We saw the 120 on the day of pentecost
Ninvevah had 120(thousand) people type of Pentecost


4. We see the feast of tabernacles as Jonah is setting up a "booth" in the desert

Elijah comes to bring repentance before the judgement comes just as Jonah did.

So when Elijah shows up he will be doing the 40 day call to repentance before God judges america.

well you could be right.
but your dating is wayyyyy off.

funny part is, when I read of God judging folk,
it's always the mid east countries and people that get it.

I will show an example with the days I think it will come about

October 16/17 2013 Elijah begins the 40 days of Elul

but u are way off on the date you pick for Elul.

30 days later(november 14/15 2013) will be the feast of trumpets(rosh hashanah) and will be "the day of the lord"

again, your dating is off.
it was in Sept this year.

which is the judgement on america

again, funny thing is that
when we actually read in scripture
the actual names
of the actual nations
who actually receive God's wrath
on the day of the Lord,
guess what????? America, Italy, England etc, is not mentioned...
but the mid eastern countries are.

and some say a harvest whether it be 1 of 3 harvests:

1. barley harvest(easy to remove shell)
2. wheat harvest(harder to remove shell)
3. grapes harvest(crush to bring forth wine)

when those first 30 days of the 40 are completed it will be Rosh Hashanah and this will be the beginning of a 10 year tribulation or 3 sets of 42 months

what makes u think it will be 10 years?
everything the Lord did the first time, was based on literal days.
He fulfilled Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits and Pentecost, right to the day and hour.

it wil certainly be the same at His 2nd Coming
when He fulfills the fall feasts of the Lord, right?

1. 42 months Jacobs trouble(america destruction)
2. first half of 7 year tribulation
3. last of 7 year tribulation

The first 30 days of the 40 day call to repentance are actual 30 days but as soon as Rosh Hashanah comes then we begin a different calendar. We begin a 360 day year calendar and those last 10 days of the 40 turn into 10 years instead of 10 days. Those last 10 years are the repentance chance for the tribulation saints

but u have not shown why
all u do is say it.
how does that teach anyone john?

the biblical pattern shows that, all things being equal,
the fall feasts of the Lord should be fulfilled to the day and hour
jus as the spring feasts of the Lord were.

and the bible teaches us how to tell time John.
the current day Jewish system has it wrong, and they know it.

but there are some today that do it right,
and actually grow barley now in Jerusalem,
so now e can gauge the seasons and base our year off of it
just as God intended us to.

this year, the biblical year began in March John.
Mar12th was the new moon,
so the sighting of it's first light would have been on either Mar13-14th.
so that is month 1 and day 1

why do u think the way u do, concerning what month it is now?
who taught u that it is just now ending the 5th month/beginning the 6th?

that's sooooooo wrong John it is not funny.
and u are basing your whole theory off of those dates
????????????????

 

[HannibalFlavius]

I don't know how you can claim to know so much about Ewish culture and not know the divisions of the priest were among Aaron's two remaining sons, after his elder two were burnt up for burning strange fire before the Lord i the wilderness. The three divisions you're quoting is the divisions of the sons of Levi, and they were divided in 4 groups.

[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']A. The three sons of Levi: Gershon, Kohath, Merari [/FONT]
1. Gershonites: (descendants of Gershon/Gershon, first son of Levi)
a. The Gershonites camped on the west side of the tabernacle: “The families of the Gershonites were to camp behind the tabernacle westward” (Numbers 3:23)
b. Their duties: Moving tabernacle covers, curtains, screens & cords with ox carts: Num 4:24-26; 7:7-8
1. "Now the duties of the sons of Gershon in the tent of meeting involved the tabernacle and the tent, its covering, and the screen for the doorway of the tent of meeting, and the hangings of the court, and the screen for the doorway of the court which is around the tabernacle and the altar, and its cords, according to all the service concerning them." (Numbers 3:25-26)
2. ""This is the service of the families of the Gershonites, in serving and in carrying: they shall carry the curtains of the tabernacle and the tent of meeting with its covering and the covering of porpoise skin that is on top of it, and the screen for the doorway of the tent of meeting, and the hangings of the court, and the screen for the doorway of the gate of the court which is around the tabernacle and the altar, and their cords and all the equipment for their service; and all that is to be done, they shall perform." (Numbers 4:24-26)
c. The Gershonites got two carts:
1. "Two carts and four oxen he gave to the sons of Gershon, according to their service, and four carts and eight oxen he gave to the sons of Merari, according to their service, under the direction of Ithamar the son of Aaron the priest. But he did not give any to the sons of Kohath because theirs was the service of the holy objects, which they carried on the shoulder." (Numbers 7:7-9)
d. The 13 Levitical cities of the Gershonites:
1. Located within Issachar, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh in Bashan
2. "The sons of Gershon received thirteen cities by lot from the families of the tribe of Issachar and from the tribe of Asher and from the tribe of Naphtali and from the half-tribe of Manasseh in Bashan." (Joshua 21:6)
2. Kohathites: (descendants of Kohath, second son of Levi, Aaron and Moses were Kohathites but had special rank)
a. The Kohathites camped on the south side of the tabernacle: Numbers 3:29
b. Duties: holy items like carrying the Ark of the Covenant, the lampstand, altars, utensils with poles:
1. "The families of the sons of Kohath were to camp on the southward side of the tabernacle, and the leader of the fathers' households of the Kohathite families was Elizaphan the son of Uzziel. Now their duties involved the ark, the table, the lampstand, the altars, and the utensils of the sanctuary with which they minister, and the screen, and all the service concerning them; and Eleazar the son of Aaron the priest was the chief of the leaders of Levi, and had the oversight of those who perform the duties of the sanctuary." (Numbers 3:29-32)
2. Although the Kohathites were entrusted specifically with moving the Ark, David used the priests from Gershon, Merarites and Merari to move the Ark from the house of Obed-edom after Uzzah died in the first attempt: (1 Chronicles 15:1-15)
a. "Now David built houses for himself in the city of David; and he prepared a place for the ark of God and pitched a tent for it. Then David said, "No one is to carry the ark of God but the Levites; for the LORD chose them to carry the ark of God and to minister to Him forever." And David assembled all Israel at Jerusalem to bring up the ark of the LORD to its place which he had prepared for it. David gathered together the sons of Aaron and the Levites: of the sons of Kohath, Uriel the chief, and 120 of his relatives; of the sons of Merari, Asaiah the chief, and 220 of his relatives; of the sons of Gershon, Joel the chief, and 130 of his relatives; of the sons of Elizaphan, Shemaiah the chief, and 200 of his relatives; of the sons of Hebron, Eliel the chief, and 80 of his relatives; of the sons of Uzziel, Amminadab the chief, and 112 of his relatives. Then David called for Zadok and Abiathar the priests, and for the Levites, for Uriel, Asaiah, Joel, Shemaiah, Eliel and Amminadab, and said to them, "You are the heads of the fathers' households of the Levites; consecrate yourselves both you and your relatives, that you may bring up the ark of the LORD God of Israel to the place that I have prepared for it. "Because you did not carry it at the first, the LORD our God made an outburst on us, for we did not seek Him according to the ordinance." So the priests and the Levites consecrated themselves to bring up the ark of the LORD God of Israel. The sons of the Levites carried the ark of God on their shoulders with the poles thereon, as Moses had commanded according to the word of the LORD." (1 Chronicles 15:1-15)
c. The Kohathites got no carts but had to carry all the holy objects of furniture on poles and carrying bars:
1. The Kohathites did not get any carts like the Gershonites and the Merarites because they were exclusively entrusted with these holy items.
2. "Two carts and four oxen he gave to the sons of Gershon, according to their service, and four carts and eight oxen he gave to the sons of Merari, according to their service, under the direction of Ithamar the son of Aaron the priest. But he did not give any to the sons of Kohath because theirs was the service of the holy objects, which they carried on the shoulder." (Numbers 7:7-9)
3. "This is the work of the descendants of Kohath in the tent of meeting, concerning the most holy things. “When the camp sets out, Aaron and his sons shall go in and they shall take down the veil of the screen and cover the ark of the testimony with it; and they shall lay a covering of porpoise skin on it, and shall spread over it a cloth of pure blue, and shall insert its poles. “Over the table of the bread of the Presence they shall also spread a cloth of blue and put on it the dishes and the pans and the sacrificial bowls and the jars for the drink offering, and the continual bread shall be on it. “They shall spread over them a cloth of scarlet material, and cover the same with a covering of porpoise skin, and they shall insert its poles. “Then they shall take a blue cloth and cover the lampstand for the light, along with its lamps and its snuffers, and its trays and all its oil vessels, by which they serve it; and they shall put it and all its utensils in a covering of porpoise skin, and shall put it on the carrying bars. “Over the golden altar they shall spread a blue cloth and cover it with a covering of porpoise skin, and shall insert its poles; and they shall take all the utensils of service, with which they serve in the sanctuary, and put them in a blue cloth and cover them with a covering of porpoise skin, and put them on the carrying bars.” (Numbers 4:4–12)
d. The 23 Levitical cities of the Kohathites:
1. Located in Ephraim, Dan, Manasseh in Canaan
2. "Then the lot came out for the families of the Kohathites. And the sons of Aaron the priest, who were of the Levites, received thirteen cities by lot from the tribe of Judah and from the tribe of the Simeonites and from the tribe of Benjamin. The rest of the sons of Kohath received ten cities by lot from the families of the tribe of Ephraim and from the tribe of Dan and from the half-tribe of Manasseh." (Joshua 21:4-5)
3. Merarites: (descendants of Merari, third son of Levi)
a. Merarites camped on the north side of the tabernacle: Numbers 3:33-37
b. Their duties: Moving tabernacle poles, boards, sockets, pillars and bars by hand. Each item is assigned individually to a man who carries it with his bare hands: Num 3:36-37; 4:29-33
1. "The Levites, however, were not numbered among them by their fathers' tribe. For the LORD had spoken to Moses, saying, "Only the tribe of Levi you shall not number, nor shall you take their census among the sons of Israel. "But you shall appoint the Levites over the tabernacle of the testimony, and over all its furnishings and over all that belongs to it. They shall carry the tabernacle and all its furnishings, and they shall take care of it; they shall also camp around the tabernacle. "So when the tabernacle is to set out, the Levites shall take it down; and when the tabernacle encamps, the Levites shall set it up. But the layman who comes near shall be put to death. "The sons of Israel shall camp, each man by his own camp, and each man by his own standard, according to their armies. "But the Levites shall camp around the tabernacle of the testimony, so that there will be no wrath on the congregation of the sons of Israel. So the Levites shall keep charge of the tabernacle of the testimony."" (Numbers 1:47-53)
2. "Of Merari was the family of the Mahlites and the family of the Mushites; these were the families of Merari. Their numbered men in the numbering of every male from a month old and upward, were 6,200. The leader of the fathers' households of the families of Merari was Zuriel the son of Abihail. They were to camp on the northward side of the tabernacle. Now the appointed duties of the sons of Merari involved the frames of the tabernacle, its bars, its pillars, its sockets, all its equipment, and the service concerning them, and the pillars around the court with their sockets and their pegs and their cords." (Numbers 3:33-37)
3. "As for the sons of Merari, you shall number them by their families, by their fathers' households; from thirty years and upward even to fifty years old, you shall number them, everyone who enters the service to do the work of the tent of meeting. "Now this is the duty of their loads, for all their service in the tent of meeting: the boards of the tabernacle and its bars and its pillars and its sockets, and the pillars around the court and their sockets and their pegs and their cords, with all their equipment and with all their service; and you shall assign each man by name the items he is to carry. "This is the service of the families of the sons of Merari, according to all their service in the tent of meeting, under the direction of Ithamar the son of Aaron the priest." (Numbers 4:29-33)



There were 3 divisions and they all had specific duties.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

3 Divisions, each having their own purpose in a 3 fold ministry and the 3fold Torah in 3 parts.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Meh.

 

[precepts]

The 3 divisions like I said before was the sons of Levi. The priests were from the two sons of Aaron, Eleazar and Phinehas.

 

[precepts]

[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']A. The three sons of Levi: Gershon, Kohath, Merari [/font]
1.Gershonites: (descendants of Gershon/Gershon, first son of Levi)
a. The Gershonites camped on the west side of the tabernacle: “The families of the Gershonites were to camp behind the tabernacle westward” (Numbers 3:23)
b. Their duties: Moving tabernacle covers, curtains, screens & cords with ox carts: Num 4:24-26; 7:7-8
1. "Now the duties of the sons of Gershon in the tent of meeting involved the tabernacle and the tent, its covering, and the screen for the doorway of the tent of meeting, and the hangings of the court, and the screen for the doorway of the court which is around the tabernacle and the altar, and its cords, according to all the service concerning them." (Numbers 3:25-26)
2. ""This is the service of the families of the Gershonites, in serving and in carrying: they shall carry the curtains of the tabernacle and the tent of meeting with its covering and the covering of porpoise skin that is on top of it, and the screen for the doorway of the tent of meeting, and the hangings of the court, and the screen for the doorway of the gate of the court which is around the tabernacle and the altar, and their cords and all the equipment for their service; and all that is to be done, they shall perform." (Numbers 4:24-26)
c. The Gershonites got two carts:
1. "Two carts and four oxen he gave to the sons of Gershon, according to their service, and four carts and eight oxen he gave to the sons of Merari, according to their service, under the direction of Ithamar the son of Aaron the priest. But he did not give any to the sons of Kohath because theirs was the service of the holy objects, which they carried on the shoulder." (Numbers 7:7-9)
d. The 13 Levitical cities of the Gershonites:
1. Located within Issachar, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh in Bashan
2. "The sons of Gershon received thirteen cities by lot from the families of the tribe of Issachar and from the tribe of Asher and from the tribe of Naphtali and from the half-tribe of Manasseh in Bashan." (Joshua 21:6)
2.Kohathites: (descendants of Kohath, second son of Levi, Aaron and Moses were Kohathites but had special rank)
a. The Kohathites camped on the south side of the tabernacle: Numbers 3:29
b. Duties: holy items like carrying the Ark of the Covenant, the lampstand, altars, utensils with poles:
1. "The families of the sons of Kohath were to camp on the southward side of the tabernacle, and the leader of the fathers' households of the Kohathite families was Elizaphan the son of Uzziel. Now their duties involved the ark, the table, the lampstand, the altars, and the utensils of the sanctuary with which they minister, and the screen, and all the service concerning them; and Eleazar the son of Aaron the priest was the chief of the leaders of Levi, and had the oversight of those who perform the duties of the sanctuary." (Numbers 3:29-32)
2. Although the Kohathites were entrusted specifically with moving the Ark, David used the priests from Gershon, Merarites and Merari to move the Ark from the house of Obed-edom after Uzzah died in the first attempt: (1 Chronicles 15:1-15)
a. "Now David built houses for himself in the city of David; and he prepared a place for the ark of God and pitched a tent for it. Then David said, "No one is to carry the ark of God but the Levites; for the LORD chose them to carry the ark of God and to minister to Him forever." And David assembled all Israel at Jerusalem to bring up the ark of the LORD to its place which he had prepared for it. David gathered together the sons of Aaron and the Levites: of the sons of Kohath, Uriel the chief, and 120 of his relatives; of the sons of Merari, Asaiah the chief, and 220 of his relatives; of the sons of Gershon, Joel the chief, and 130 of his relatives; of the sons of Elizaphan, Shemaiah the chief, and 200 of his relatives; of the sons of Hebron, Eliel the chief, and 80 of his relatives; of the sons of Uzziel, Amminadab the chief, and 112 of his relatives. Then David called for Zadok and Abiathar the priests, and for the Levites, for Uriel, Asaiah, Joel, Shemaiah, Eliel and Amminadab, and said to them, "You are the heads of the fathers' households of the Levites; consecrate yourselves both you and your relatives, that you may bring up the ark of the LORD God of Israel to the place that I have prepared for it. "Because you did not carry it at the first, the LORD our God made an outburst on us, for we did not seek Him according to the ordinance." So the priests and the Levites consecrated themselves to bring up the ark of the LORD God of Israel. The sons of the Levites carried the ark of God on their shoulders with the poles thereon, as Moses had commanded according to the word of the LORD." (1 Chronicles 15:1-15)
c. The Kohathites got no carts but had to carry all the holy objects of furniture on poles and carrying bars:
1. The Kohathites did not get any carts like the Gershonites and the Merarites because they were exclusively entrusted with these holy items.
2. "Two carts and four oxen he gave to the sons of Gershon, according to their service, and four carts and eight oxen he gave to the sons of Merari, according to their service, under the direction of Ithamar the son of Aaron the priest. But he did not give any to the sons of Kohath because theirs was the service of the holy objects, which they carried on the shoulder." (Numbers 7:7-9)
3. "This is the work of the descendants of Kohath in the tent of meeting, concerning the most holy things. “When the camp sets out, Aaron and his sons shall go in and they shall take down the veil of the screen and cover the ark of the testimony with it; and they shall lay a covering of porpoise skin on it, and shall spread over it a cloth of pure blue, and shall insert its poles. “Over the table of the bread of the Presence they shall also spread a cloth of blue and put on it the dishes and the pans and the sacrificial bowls and the jars for the drink offering, and the continual bread shall be on it. “They shall spread over them a cloth of scarlet material, and cover the same with a covering of porpoise skin, and they shall insert its poles. “Then they shall take a blue cloth and cover the lampstand for the light, along with its lamps and its snuffers, and its trays and all its oil vessels, by which they serve it; and they shall put it and all its utensils in a covering of porpoise skin, and shall put it on the carrying bars. “Over the golden altar they shall spread a blue cloth and cover it with a covering of porpoise skin, and shall insert its poles; and they shall take all the utensils of service, with which they serve in the sanctuary, and put them in a blue cloth and cover them with a covering of porpoise skin, and put them on the carrying bars.” (Numbers 4:4–12)
d. The 23 Levitical cities of the Kohathites:
1. Located in Ephraim, Dan, Manasseh in Canaan
2. "Then the lot came out for the families of the Kohathites. And the sons of Aaron the priest, who were of the Levites, received thirteen cities by lot from the tribe of Judah and from the tribe of the Simeonites and from the tribe of Benjamin. The rest of the sons of Kohath received ten cities by lot from the families of the tribe of Ephraim and from the tribe of Dan and from the half-tribe of Manasseh." (Joshua 21:4-5)
3.Merarites: (descendants of Merari, third son of Levi)
a. Merarites camped on the north side of the tabernacle: Numbers 3:33-37
b. Their duties: Moving tabernacle poles, boards, sockets, pillars and bars by hand. Each item is assigned individually to a man who carries it with his bare hands: Num 3:36-37; 4:29-33
1. "The Levites, however, were not numbered among them by their fathers' tribe. For the LORD had spoken to Moses, saying, "Only the tribe of Levi you shall not number, nor shall you take their census among the sons of Israel. "But you shall appoint the Levites over the tabernacle of the testimony, and over all its furnishings and over all that belongs to it. They shall carry the tabernacle and all its furnishings, and they shall take care of it; they shall also camp around the tabernacle. "So when the tabernacle is to set out, the Levites shall take it down; and when the tabernacle encamps, the Levites shall set it up. But the layman who comes near shall be put to death. "The sons of Israel shall camp, each man by his own camp, and each man by his own standard, according to their armies. "But the Levites shall camp around the tabernacle of the testimony, so that there will be no wrath on the congregation of the sons of Israel. So the Levites shall keep charge of the tabernacle of the testimony."" (Numbers 1:47-53)
2. "Of Merari was the family of the Mahlites and the family of the Mushites; these were the families of Merari. Their numbered men in the numbering of every male from a month old and upward, were 6,200. The leader of the fathers' households of the families of Merari was Zuriel the son of Abihail. They were to camp on the northward side of the tabernacle. Now the appointed duties of the sons of Merari involved the frames of the tabernacle, its bars, its pillars, its sockets, all its equipment, and the service concerning them, and the pillars around the court with their sockets and their pegs and their cords." (Numbers 3:33-37)
3. "As for the sons of Merari, you shall number them by their families, by their fathers' households; from thirty years and upward even to fifty years old, you shall number them, everyone who enters the service to do the work of the tent of meeting. "Now this is the duty of their loads, for all their service in the tent of meeting: the boards of the tabernacle and its bars and its pillars and its sockets, and the pillars around the court and their sockets and their pegs and their cords, with all their equipment and with all their service; and you shall assign each man by name the items he is to carry. "This is the service of the families of the sons of Merari, according to all their service in the tent of meeting, under the direction of Ithamar the son of Aaron the priest." (Numbers 4:29-33)



There were 3 divisions and they all had specific duties.

Which one of the three held the high priest and the 2nd priest position? Which verse in the above quote mentions the priesthood?

 

[Strong in Him]

So did Elijah turn up yesterday then?

 

[Jon Anon]

So did Elijah turn up yesterday then?

I said the true rosh hashanah would be nov 14/15......
There has to be 29 days of elul before the start of rosh hashanah. I think rosh hashanah starts at evening just as evening and morning were the first day. Also there is a time of day that is called "the twinkling of an eye" which is the time between sunset and sundown

So whether nov 15 starts at midnight as our calendar shows or it starts at sundown as jews believe there has to be 29 days of elul before the end of nov 14....going by jewish tradition nov 14 ends on nov 15 at sundown...so nov 18 at sundown would be too late for the arrival of elijah as there would not be a full 29 days of elul prior to when I thought the true rosh hashanah is.so there is still about 33 hours left for a possible arrival of elijah this year

 

[precepts]

I said the true rosh hashanah would be nov 14/15......
There has to be 29 days of elul before the start of rosh hashanah. I think rosh hashanah starts at evening just as evening and morning were the first day. Also there is a time of day that is called "the twinkling of an eye" which is the time between sunset and sundown

So whether nov 15 starts at midnight as our calendar shows or it starts at sundown as jews believe there has to be 29 days of elul before the end of nov 14....going by jewish tradition nov 14 ends on nov 15 at sundown...so nov 18 at sundown would be too late for the arrival of elijah as there would not be a full 29 days of elul prior to when I thought the true rosh hashanah is.so there is still about 33 hours left for a possible arrival of elijah this year

Did you read my first post in this thread?

Originally posted by precepts:
Not to stray off the topic, but time, times, and half a time is equal to 1260 days, evident by the amount of time the woman in Revelation spends in the wilderness from the face of the dragon. It's also evident in Dan 7:25, and calculated to be the amount of days in the middle of the week when the covenant is broken in Dan 9:27. This 1260 days is 3 1/2 yrs (time, times, and 1/2 a time) or 42mths if divided by 30 days as the amount of days in every month. I don't think the Israelis and the world have figured this out yet, but 70 solar yrs and 6 solar days is equal to 69 hebrew yrs of 360 days a year, which could very well be the reason for Daniel's 70 wks prophecy of 7 and 62 wks in the 70 wks prophecy. The calendar the Israelis are using today isn't scriptural. So I think Jon Anon is missing the boat.

7wks = 7yrs = 7 x 360 days = 2520 days / 2 = 1260 days = middle of the wk!

Maybe you should go alert the others because this is factual, maybe even worth a Nobel prize.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

The 3 divisions like I said before was the sons of Levi. The priests were from the two sons of Aaron, Eleazar and Phinehas.

Again, There were 3 divisions of Priests, and this is not going to change Precepts.

6 David separated the Levites into divisions corresponding to the sons of Levi: Gershon, Kohath and Merari.
Gershonites

7 Belonging to the Gershonites:
Ladan and Shimei.
8 The sons of Ladan:
Jehiel the first, Zetham and Joel—three in all.
9 The sons of Shimei:
Shelomoth, Haziel and Haran—three in all.
These were the heads of the families of Ladan.
10 And the sons of Shimei:
Jahath, Ziza,[a] Jeush and Beriah.
These were the sons of Shimei—four in all.
11 Jahath was the first and Ziza the second, but Jeush and Beriah did not have many sons; so they were counted as one family with one assignment.

Kohathites

12 The sons of Kohath:
Amram, Izhar, Hebron and Uzziel—four in all.
13 The sons of Amram:
Aaron and Moses.
Aaron was set apart, he and his descendants forever, to consecrate the most holy things, to offer sacrifices before the Lord, to minister before him and to pronounce blessings in his name forever. 14 The sons of Moses the man of God were counted as part of the tribe of Levi.
15 The sons of Moses:
Gershom and Eliezer.
16 The descendants of Gershom:
Shubael was the first.
17 The descendants of Eliezer:
Rehabiah was the first.
Eliezer had no other sons, but the sons of Rehabiah were very numerous.
18 The sons of Izhar:
Shelomith was the first.
19 The sons of Hebron:
Jeriah the first, Amariah the second, Jahaziel the third and Jekameam the fourth.
20 The sons of Uzziel:
Micah the first and Ishiah the second.

Merarites

21 The sons of Merari:
Mahli and Mushi.
The sons of Mahli:
Eleazar and Kish.
22 Eleazar died without having sons: he had only daughters. Their cousins, the sons of Kish, married them.
23 The sons of Mushi:
Mahli, Eder and Jerimoth—three in all.

 

[Strong in Him]

I said the true rosh hashanah would be nov 14/15......

Yeah I know, but you also said Elijah would be doing something on the 16/17th Oct. He didn't yesterday, and it is now 5.30pm - UK time - on 17th.

There has to be 29 days of elul before the start of rosh hashanah. I think rosh hashanah starts at evening just as evening and morning were the first day.

Maybe. I don't understand this anyway and think it all very unlikely.
According to the world clock it is now 19.25 in Jerusalem. In the Bible, the Jewish day always began at 6pm; don't know if it does now, but if so, it is already Friday over there.

Also there is a time of day that is called "the twinkling of an eye" which is the time between sunset and sundown

Is there? Where do you get that from?

So whether nov 15 starts at midnight as our calendar shows or it starts at sundown as jews believe there has to be 29 days of elul before the end of nov 14....going by jewish tradition nov 14 ends on nov 15 at sundown...so nov 18 at sundown would be too late for the arrival of elijah

Has anyone told Elijah this?

 

[precepts]

And like I said before, how can you claim to know so much about the feast days and such and not know the divisions of the priests?

13 The sons of Amram:
Aaron and Moses.
Aaron was set apart, he and his descendants forever, to consecrate the most holy things, to offer sacrifices before the Lord, to minister before him and to pronounce blessings in his name forever.

What part of Aaron and his sons (his descendants being his sons' sons, etc..) being set apart from the sons of Levi don't you understand?

Num 3:2 And these are the names of the sons of Aaron; Nadab the firstborn, and Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.
Num 3:3 These are the names of the sons of Aaron, the priests which were anointed, whom he consecrated to minister in the priest's office.
Num 3:4 And Nadab and Abihu died before the LORD, when they offered strange fire before the LORD, in the wilderness of Sinai, and they had no children: and Eleazar and Ithamar ministered in the priest's office in the sight of Aaron their father.

Whom are the priests? Eleazar and Ithamar because Abihu and Nadab died when they offered strange fire before God. Two divisions, the sons of Eleazar the high priest, and Ithamar the second priest.

Num 16:9 Seemeth it but a small thing unto you, that the God of Israel hath separated you from the congregation of Israel, to bring you near to himself to do the service of the tabernacle of the LORD, and to stand before the congregation to minister unto them?
Num 16:10 And he hath brought thee near to him, and all thy brethren the sons of Levi with thee: and seek ye the priesthood also?

The Levites were not priests. They were ministers, meaning helpers and caretakers of the tabernacle and the priests.

Num 18:1 And the LORD said unto Aaron, Thou and thy sons and thy father's house with thee shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary: and thou and thy sons with thee shall bear the iniquity of your priesthood.

I don't think I can make it any clearer than that.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

And like I said before, how can you claim to know so much about the feast days and such and not know the divisions of the priests?

What part of Aaron and his sons (his descendants being his sons' sons, etc..) being set apart from the sons of Levi don't you understand?

Whom are the priests? Eleazar and Ithamar because Abihu and Nadab died when they offered strange fire before God. Two divisions, the sons of Eleazar the high priest, and Ithamar the second priest.


The Levites were not priests. They were ministers, meaning helpers and caretakers of the tabernacle and the priests.


I don't think I can make it any clearer than that.

3 divisions.
" Also David separated them into divisions among the sons of Levi: Gershon, Kohath, and Merari.


500 years after Nadab and Abihu died.




I know all about the Levites, I already know that Abihu and Nadab died.

Abihu and Nadab died in the days of Moses, 500 years later we are talking about David and the 3 divisions.

500 years after Nadab and Abihu died.

Are there still 3 groups?

How do gentiles fit in?

And what about the other kingdom who also had priests?
Their Priests from the Northern kingdom who had no connection with the Priests of the Lord, Those don't count do they? I mean after all, they did not come from the levitical priesthood.

And what about the priests who just go about and make themselves priests.

It is an interesting subject either way.


What is the make up of Priests within the gentile church?

2. (3-6) The number and the main groupings of the Levites.

Now the Levites were numbered from the age of thirty years and above; and the number of individual males was thirty-eight thousand. Of these, twenty-four thousand were to look after the work of the house of the Lord, six thousand were officers and judges, four thousand were gatekeepers, and four thousand praised the Lord with musical instruments, "which I made," said David, "for giving praise.

3 divisions.
" Also David separated them into divisions among the sons of Levi: Gershon, Kohath, and Merari.


.

According to the Talmud, the number "3" is a basic pattern of the revelation experience. In the third month of the year, Sivan, God revealed at Sinai a text divided into three sections, Torah, Prophets and Writings to a nation divided into three groups, Priests (Kohens), Levites and Israelites through Moses, the third child after Miriam and Aaron, on the third day of Israel's preparation for revelation.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

3 division of priests more detailed from Eddie Chumney

From: Eddie Chumney
To : heb_roots_chr@hebroots.
Subject: The Feast of Tabernacles (Part 2 of 2)

From the Book:
The Seven Festivals of the Messiah
by Eddie Chumney
SUKKOT: THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES
(Part 2 of 2)



The Daily Sukkot Ceremony


Each day out of the temple (Beit HaMikdash), there was a special ceremony. The priests were divided into three divisions.



The first division were the priests on duty for that festival. They would slay the sacrifices found in Numbers (Bamidbar) 29. At this time, a second group of priests went out the eastern gate of the temple (Beit HaMikdash) and went to the Motzah Valley, where the ashes were dumped at the beginning of the sabbath. There they would cut willows. The willows had to be 25 feet in length. After this, they would form a line with all the priests holding a willow. About 25 or 30 feet behind this row of priests, allowing room for the willows, would be another row of priests with willows. So, there would be row after row of the willows.
The whole road back to the temple (Beit HaMikdash) was lined with pilgrims as they went to Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) to celebrate the festival as they were commanded by God to do. Sukkot (Tabernacles), along with Shavuot (Pentecost), and Passover (Pesach), were known as the pilgrimage festivals (Deuteronomy 16:16).
There would be a signal and the priests would step out with their left foot, and then step to the right, swinging the willows back and forth. Meanwhile, a third group of priests, headed by the high priest (Cohen HaGadol), went out the gate known as the Water Gate. They had gone to the pool known as "Siloam" (John [Yochanan] 9:7,11), which means "gently flowing waters." There the high priest had a golden vase and drew the water known as the living water (mayim hayim) and held it in the vase. His assistant held a silver vase containing wine. Just as the priests in the valley of Motzah began to march toward Jerusalem (Yerushalayim), so did the priests in Siloam. As they marched toward the city of Jerusalem (Yerushalayim), the willows made a swishing sound in the wind as they approached the city. The word wind in Hebrew is Ruach. The word spirit in Hebrew is also Ruach. Therefore, this ceremony was symbolic or representative of the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh) of God coming upon the city of Jerusalem (Yerushalayim).
As each of the party reached their respective gates, a trumpet (shofar) was blown. Then one man would stand up and play the flute (the flute represents the Messiah). The flute player is called "the pierced one." The flute is pierced, and Yeshua was pierced during the crucifixion (Psalm [Tehillim] 22:16; Zechariah 12:10; John [Yochanan] 19:34-37; Revelation 1:7).
The flute player led the procession. The pierced one blows the call for the wind and the water to enter the temple. The priests from Motzah swishing the willows come into the temple (Beit HaMikdash) and circle the altar seven times. The priests that were slaying the sacrifices are now ascending the altar, and they begin to lay the sacrifices on the fires. The high priest and his assistant ascend the altar and all the people of Israel are gathered into the courts around there. The people start singing the song Mayim, saying, "With joy we will draw water out of the well of salvation [Yeshua]" (Isaiah [Yeshayahu] 12:3; Mishnah, Sukkah 5:1). The high priest takes his vase and pours its contents on one of the comers of the altar where the horns are. There are two bowls built into the altar. Each bowl has a hole in it. The water and the wine are poured out over the altar as the priests who had the willow start laying the willows against the altar, making a sukkah (a picture of God's covering).
Messianic Understanding.
In this, we have a picture of Yeshua as He was on the tree. He was on the altar (tree) when His heart was pierced (John [Yochanan] 19:34), then the water and the blood separated and they were poured out. God through Yeshua was providing a covering (sukkah) for all those who would believe in Him.
Wine is representative of marriage, blood, covenant, joy, and the Messiah in Scripture. The priests took the willows to the altar and set them upright on the side of the altar, forming a wedding canopy or chupah. The high priest will take his golden vessel and pour out the water on the altar. The assistant will pour out his silver vessel of wine on the altar. When Yeshua was crucified on the tree (a type of altar), His side was pierced and out of His heart poured water and blood (John [Yochanan] 19:34). Yeshua said that He was the living water being poured out during this ceremony (John [Yochanan] 7:2, 37-38).
Spiritual Application (Halacha).
During the time of Yeshua, the Feast of Sukkot set a magnificent stage for the preaching of the Messiah. Rain is essential to the growing of crops and Israel, an arid land, prizes rain greatly as a blessing from God.
Rain was a prominent feature in the celebration of the Feast of Sukkot. The ceremony of the water drawing held a significance much deeper than its agricultural implications. The rain represented the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh) and the water drawing pointed to that day when, according to the prophet Joel [Yoel], God would rain His Spirit upon (all flesh) (Joel [Yoel] 2:28-29). The connection of water to this verse is God pouring out His Spirit. In the Talmud we read, "Why is the name of it called the drawing out of water? Because of the pouring out of the Holy Spirit, according to what is said, 'With joy shall ye draw out of the wells of salvation'" (Isaiah [Yeshayahu] 12:3).
Sukkot was given by God to teach us of the Messianic era, the Millennium, when the earth will experience the greatest outpouring of God's Spirit.
Hoshana Rabbah (The Great Salvation)
Hoshana Rabbah (literally, the great hosanna or the numerous hosannas) is the seventh day of Sukkot (Tabernacles). Hoshana Rabbah should have been a full festival day, but is not because
of Shemini Atzeret, which follows it. However, it has some special rituals and customs that make the day more like a full festival day than any of the intermediate days. The most important of these (ceremonies) are:
1. The circling of the altar seven times instead of once while carrying the four species and reciting the Hoshana prayers.
2. The beating of the willows.
Messianic Understanding.
In John (Yochanan) 7:37-38, Yeshua said, "If any man thirst, let him come unto Me, and drink. He that believeth on Me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." At this season of Sukkot, Isaiah (Yeshayahu) 12:3 was often quoted, as it is written, "Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation." Yeshua in Hebrew means "salvation."
The drama of the water drawing ceremony took on a new dimension of meaning when Yeshua attended the Feast of Sukkot (Tabernacles). On the seventh day of the feast, Hoshana Rabbah, which literally means "the great hosanna, the great salvation," the festival activities were different from those of each of the six previous days when the priests circled the altar in a procession, singing Psalm (Tehillim) 118:25. On the seventh day of the feast, the people circled the altar seven times. That is why the day is called Hoshanah Rabbah, as the cry, "Save now!" was repeated seven times. Yeshua's statement in John (Yochanan) 7:37-39 was said on Hoshana Rabbah.
Spiritual Application (Halacha).
Spiritually speaking, in the Bible, there is a link between water and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh). Yeshua told the woman at the well to drink of living water (John [Yochanan] 4:7-14; 6:35; Matthew [Mattityahu] 5:6). This relationship between water and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh) is contained in the symbolism of pouring out water. Isaiah (Yeshayahu) 44:3 links the pouring out of water with the pouring out of God's Spirit. Isaiah (Yeshayahu) parallels the thirsty land and links water with the Holy Spirit. The link can also be seen in Joel (Yoel) 2:23,28; Acts 2:1-4,14-17; and Ezekiel (Yechezekel) 39:22,27-29. Zechariah 14:8 speaks of living waters. Isaiah (Yeshayahu) 12:2-3 speaks of drawing water out of the wells of salvation. Water and the Spirit are connected in Psalm (Tehillim) 42:1-4; Zechariah 13:1; and Revelation 7:17. It can also be seen in Ezekiel (Yechezekel) 36:24-27.
Yeshua was trying to communicate this to Nicodemus (Nakdimon) in John (Yochanan) 3:1-6. He also was teaching this during the Feast of Sukkot (Tabernacles) in John (Yochanan) 4:14, which concluded with His statements in John 7:37-39. At the ceremony of the water drawing, the people's attention was focused on the pool of Siloam. It was here that Yeshua healed a man who had been blind from birth (John [Yochanan] 9:1-7). Notice again the statement in John 9:5. This is the last day of the feast (Hoshana Rabbah) (John 9:14; Leviticus [Vayikra] 23:34-36).
The Festival of Lights (The Light of the Temple)
Another ceremony of the Feast of Sukkot (Tabernacles) was the illumination of the temple (Beit HaMikdash). According to the Mishnah, at the end of the first day of the Feast of Sukkot (Tabernacles), the priests and the Levites went down to the court of the women. Four enormous golden candlesticks were set up on the court (50 cubits high) with four golden bowls placed upon them and four ladders resting against each candlestick. Four youths of priestly descent stood at the top of the ladders holding jars containing about 7.5 gallons of pure oil, which they poured for each bowl (Mishnah, Sukkah 5:2). The priests and Levites used their own worn-out liturgical clothing for wicks. The light emanating from the four candelabras was so bright that
the Mishnah says in Sukkah 5:3 that there was no courtyard in Jerusalem [Yerushalayim] that was not lit up with the light of the libation water-well ceremony (Beit Hashoevah).
The mood was festive. Pious men, members of the San Hedrin, and heads of different religious schools would dance well into the night, holding bright torches and singing psalms of praise to God. Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) glistened like a diamond that night and her light could be seen from afar.
Spiritual Application (Halacha).
Spiritually speaking, the light represented the shekinah glory that once filled the temple where God's presence dwelt in the Holy of Holies (1 Kings 8:10-11; Ezekiel 43:5). During this time, the temple (Beit HaMikdash) was thought of as "the light of the world." In the brilliance of this gloriously lit temple, Yeshua cried in John (Yochanan) 8:12 that He was "the light of the world."
In addition, during this festival of Sukkot (Tabernacles) and this time, in the court of the women of the temple between the four posts of light, the accusers brought to Yeshua the woman caught in the act of adultery (John [Yochanan] 8:1-11). Yeshua forgave the woman and proceeded to write a message on the ground (John [Yochanan] 8:5-9). What did Yeshua write? The answer is in Jeremiah 17:13. In these things, we can see that Yeshua taught the people the messages of the festivals during the festivals.
Israel: A Light (Witness) to the Nations
Israel was chosen to be God's light to the world (Deuteronomy [Devarim] 7:6-8). The mission that God chose for Israel was one of service to God. The reason is very simple. God wanted a people out of the world whom He could use and work through to show His glory to the world. That is why He chose Israel and that is what every follower of the Messiah is chosen to be. In
doing so, God could reveal His redemptive plan to the whole world so the world could see that God and His Messiah Yeshua are light (John 1:1-4; 1 John 1:5). Israel was to be a witness (light) to the world. This can be seen in the following Scriptures: Isaiah (Yeshayahu) 43:1,10,12,14; Luke 24:44-49; and Acts 1:1-8. Israel's mission was to proclaim to the world that the God of Israel is the only true God and there is no other Savior but He (Acts 4:10,12).
Israel as a corporate nation failed in her mission to be a witness to the world. Not only were the people disobedient to the commandment of God, but they also did not become a light to the world. On the contrary, the world as a corporate people have always hated the Jewish people.
As individual members who believed and followed after God, the Jewish people were faithful to their task. We only need to consider the faithfulness of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, the prophets, and the kings such as David and Solomon. In fact, consider the very Bible which you are able to read today; it was written by faithful Jewish servants of God led by the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh) of God. Most of all, the greatest light and witness the world has ever known was Jewish. His name is Yeshua, the Messiah! Because Israel birthed the Messiah, they, in essence, have been a blessing to all nations through Him (Genesis [Bereishit] 12:3; Galatians 3:8,14,16,29). Although Israel corporately failed in her mission, this is not a permanent failure. It is a temporary setback to her destiny of being a blessing to all nations, which will be accomplished during the thousand-year reign of the Messiah known as the Messianic Kingdom or the Messianic age. Israel still remains God's chosen people (Romans 11:25-29), and still has a role to play in the future of the world (Romans 11:12,15). The prophet Isaiah (Yeshayahu) spoke of a future time when Israel would be used by God to bring the message of Messiah to the nations, for the nation of Israel will have a central part in the thousand-year reign of the Messiah (Isaiah [Yeshayahu] 62:1-5). Israel will be a blessing to all nations at this time (Malachi 3:12; Ezekiel [Yechezekel] 34:23-30; Zechariah 8:11-15; Isaiah [Yeshayahu] 19:23-25). Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) will be the spiritual focal point of the world and this time will be Israel's "Golden Age," during the Messianic era, because the King of Jerusalem, the Prince of Peace, will reign in Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) (Isaiah [Yeshayahu] 2:2-4; 52:9-10; 62:7-8, Micah [Michah] 4:1-3; Psalm [Tehillim] 102:18-21; 125:1-2; 137:5-6). The day is coming when a restored and renewed Israel will once again be a light to the nations, for the destiny of Israel is linked to the destiny of the world!

 

[precepts]

3 divisions.
" Also David separated them into divisions among the sons of Levi: Gershon, Kohath, and Merari.

Did you even read the verses I quote:

Originally quote by precepts:
Num 16:9 Seemeth it but a small thing unto you, that the God of Israel hath separated you from the congregation of Israel, to bring you near to himself to do the service of the tabernacle of the LORD, and to stand before the congregation to minister unto them?
Num 16:10 And he hath brought thee near to him, and all thy brethren the sons of Levi with thee: and seek ye the priesthood also?

Simple reading comprehension. God was speaking to the Levites, do you want the priesthood too?

500 years after Nadab and Abihu died.




I know all about the Levites, I already know that Abihu and Nadab died.

Abihu and Nadab died in the days of Moses, 500 years later we are talking about David and the 3 divisions.

500 years after Nadab and Abihu died.

Are there still 3 groups?

There will always be 3 groups within the sons of Levi because they were the ones that carried the burdens of the tabernacle. When Solomon built the temple they were assigned differents tasks surrounding the temple courtyard since they didn't have anything to carry anymore. The priesthood is a different group separated from the Levites eventhough Aaron was descended from Levi.

Originally quote by precepts:
13 The sons of Amram:
Aaron and Moses.
Aaron was set apart, he and his descendants forever, to consecrate the most holy things, to offer sacrifices before the Lord, to minister before him and to pronounce blessings in his name forever.

Which part of set apart forever don't you understand. Aaron and his sons are no longer grouped with the Levites.

How do gentiles fit in?

And what about the other kingdom who also had priests?
Their Priests from the Northern kingdom who had no connection with the Priests of the Lord, Those don't count do they? I mean after all, they did not come from the levitical priesthood.

And what about the priests who just go about and make themselves priests.

It is an interesting subject either way.

The gentiles nor anyone else who calls themself a priest have nothing to do with the Levitical Priesthood. That's why I posted the verses showing the Levites trying to invade the priesthood. Because that's exactly what happened when Israel separated from Judah, and what's happening now with the gentiles. The priesthood belongs to Aaron and his sons only, an eternal covenant broken in Daniel, known as the "abomination of desolation."

What is the make up of Priests within the gentile church?

The Levites, though not priests, were called ministers because they administered around the temple and the priests. They were the priests' helpers.

What happen with the gentiles, starting a priesthood, was misinterpreting the word, and in my opinion, the work of the antichrist churches starting with Constantine and the council of Nicaea, establishing themselves as the official representatives and leaders of the Church.

2. (3-6) The number and the main groupings of the Levites.

Now the Levites were numbered from the age of thirty years and above; and the number of individual males was thirty-eight thousand. Of these, twenty-four thousand were to look after the work of the house of the Lord, six thousand were officers and judges, four thousand were gatekeepers, and four thousand praised the Lord with musical instruments, "which I made," said David, "for giving praise.

3 divisions.
" Also David separated them into divisions among the sons of Levi: Gershon, Kohath, and Merari.


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According to the Talmud, the number "3" is a basic pattern of the revelation experience. In the third month of the year, Sivan, God revealed at Sinai a text divided into three sections, Torah, Prophets and Writings to a nation divided into three groups, Priests (Kohens), Levites and Israelites through Moses, the third child after Miriam and Aaron, on the third day of Israel's preparation for revelation.

You need to read what's given in the word and stop listen and learning from everyone else.

1Ch 24:1 Now these are the divisions of the sons of Aaron. The sons of Aaron; Nadab, and Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.
1Ch 24:2 But Nadab and Abihu died before their father, and had no children: therefore Eleazar and Ithamar executed the priest's office.
1Ch 24:3 And David distributed them, both Zadok of the sons of Eleazar, and Ahimelech of the sons of Ithamar, according to their offices in their service.
1Ch 24:4 And there were more chief men found of the sons of Eleazar than of the sons of Ithamar; and thus were they divided. Among the sons of Eleazar there were sixteen chief men of the house of their fathers, and eight among the sons of Ithamar according to the house of their fathers.
1Ch 24:5 Thus were they divided by lot, one sort with another; for the governors of the sanctuary, and governors of the house of God, were of the sons of Eleazar, and of the sons of Ithamar.
1Ch 24:6 And Shemaiah the son of Nethaneel the scribe, one of the Levites, wrote them before the king, and the princes, and Zadok the priest, and Ahimelech the son of Abiathar, and before the chief of the fathers of the priests and Levites: one principal household being taken for Eleazar, and one taken for Ithamar.

This the same book you're quoting, 500 yrs after Moses.

3 division of priests more detailed from Eddie Chumney

He doesn't know what he's talking about. They're trying to reinvent the Ewish culture. The scriptures is the most reliable source, though not infallible.

I'm going to start a thread proving some of the priesthood and the levites are prophecied to last and be around God's throne forever, based on other promises God made similiar to heaven and earth passing away first, before Israel and David's throne are cast away, etc.. Look for it in the Apologetics section.