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When will Elijah the prophet appear in the world?

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I'm going to start a thread proving some of the priesthood and the levites are prophecied to last and be around God's throne forever, based on other promises God made similiar to heaven and earth passing away first promise before Israel and David's throne are cast away, etc.. Look for it in the Apologetics section.

Not that everything in Wikipedia is correct, but they show 3 types.

But more important to me is the symbolism of 3 and how 3 evolve.

And who do those 3 represent?

Kohath's son Amram was the father of Miriam, Aaron and Moses. The descendants of Aaron: the Kohanim ("Priests"), had the special role as priests in the Tabernacle in the wilderness and also in the Temple in Jerusalem. The remaining Levites (Levi'yim in Hebrew),


'''''''divided into three groups '''''''(the descendants of Gershon, or Gershonites, the descendants of Kohath, or Kohathites, and the descendants of Merari, or Merarites) each filled different roles in the Tabernacle and later in the Temple services


Let me tell you something about the word,'' Forever.''


The Bible is translated the best it can be to the person who was not raised reading and studying the Hebrew language.

Each letter has a wealth of information attached to it, and all of them have numbers attached to each of the 22 letters.

Revelation is written in this code of 22 Hebrew letters. For instance, the 4th letter means,'' Door.'' so we see the 4th chapter opening up saying,'' Behold, a door opened in heaven.''


The word,'' forever '' has a 4 attached to it and the word does not mean,'' Forever.'' it means,'' for a time'' or, 4000 years, but it does not literaly mean ,'' for the end of all time.''

There is a lot more to learn of the bible than meets the eye, there is no vowels in the language, there were whole families dedicated to learning the sign language displayed while the Torah was being read. It took two people to even read the bible as one.



If you would flirt with me a bit, maybe I will find some things to learn from you, but I'm still making up my mind.

You still have a closed door to me, open up that I may come in and sup with you, I have some bread here, and some wine that you may drink freely, and there is no cost, why should you buy bread when I give it freely?

I am willing to talk, debate or whatever, even admitting where I am wrong and thanking you for having taught me.

But you have yet to say that you love me, and how will I continue having a one sided relationship with a person who will not commit?



The Levites are disenfranchised in Ezekiel 44:10-14

They are assigned for all the chores because of their idolatrous behavior and allowed to only perform secondary service.
 
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I said the true rosh hashanah would be nov 14/15......
There has to be 29 days of elul before the start of rosh hashanah. I think rosh hashanah starts at evening just as evening and morning were the first day. Also there is a time of day that is called "the twinkling of an eye" which is the time between sunset and sundown

So whether nov 15 starts at midnight as our calendar shows or it starts at sundown as jews believe there has to be 29 days of elul before the end of nov 14....going by jewish tradition nov 14 ends on nov 15 at sundown...so nov 18 at sundown would be too late for the arrival of elijah as there would not be a full 29 days of elul prior to when I thought the true rosh hashanah is.so there is still about 33 hours left for a possible arrival of elijah this year
u have never explained why you think the true Rosh Hashanah is in November?
it's clearly not biblicaly...so why are u saying it is?
 
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u have never explained why you think the true Rosh Hashanah is in November?
it's clearly not biblicaly...so why are u saying it is?

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I've just looked this up on a Jewish website, so at least I now know what it is. According to the website it was celebrated from Sep 5th - Sep 6th 2013. The Jewish feast celebrated in Nov is Hannukah - at least, that's when it starts.

I don't understand what you're saying or telling us, Jon, but your dates for Rosh Hasanah are wrong.
 
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I've just looked this up on a Jewish website, so at least I now know what it is. According to the website it was celebrated from Sep 5th - Sep 6th 2013. The Jewish feast celebrated in Nov is Hannukah - at least, that's when it starts.

I don't understand what you're saying or telling us, Jon, but your dates for Rosh Hasanah are wrong.


Watching sometimes begins counting the ten days of Yom Kippor beginning at Passover.

Coincidence happens to make a person count differently, a person gets a feeling that they are being shown something, a secret at that.

It's like somebody whispering in your ear telling you to look at this or that and begin a count to which you suppose that you are supposed to tell somebody something.

Is that the sort of things happening and about how it works Jo Anna?

Do you feel like somebody is leading you, and showing you things?
 
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Not that everything in Wikipedia is correct, but they show 3 types.

But more important to me is the symbolism of 3 and how 3 evolve.

And who do those 3 represent?

Kohath's son Amram was the father of Miriam, Aaron and Moses. The descendants of Aaron: the Kohanim ("Priests"), had the special role as priests in the Tabernacle in the wilderness and also in the Temple in Jerusalem. The remaining Levites (Levi'yim in Hebrew),


'''''''divided into three groups '''''''(the descendants of Gershon, or Gershonites, the descendants of Kohath, or Kohathites, and the descendants of Merari, or Merarites) each filled different roles in the Tabernacle and later in the Temple services
Which has nothing to do with the facts.


Let me tell you something about the word,'' Forever.''


The Bible is translated the best it can be to the person who was not raised reading and studying the Hebrew language.

Each letter has a wealth of information attached to it, and all of them have numbers attached to each of the 22 letters.

Revelation is written in this code of 22 Hebrew letters. For instance, the 4th letter means,'' Door.'' so we see the 4th chapter opening up saying,'' Behold, a door opened in heaven.''


The word,'' forever '' has a 4 attached to it and the word does not mean,'' Forever.'' it means,'' for a time'' or, 4000 years, but it does not literaly mean ,'' for the end of all time.''
Spare me the details, coming from someone who don't know about the priesthood.



There is a lot more to learn of the bible than meets the eye, there is no vowels in the language, there were whole families dedicated to learning the sign language displayed while the Torah was being read. It took two people to even read the bible as one.



If you would flirt with me a bit, maybe I will find some things to learn from you, but I'm still making up my mind.
There's nothing that someone who don't know the priesthood was divided into two offices can tell me. You're straining on the gnat and swallowing the camel whole.



You still have a closed door to me, open up that I may come in and sup with you, I have some bread here, and some wine that you may drink freely, and there is no cost, why should you buy bread when I give it freely?

I am willing to talk, debate or whatever, even admitting where I am wrong and thanking you for having taught me.
I was about to say you were afraid to admit when you are wrong because you haven't admitted it yet.



But you have yet to say that you love me, and how will I continue having a one sided relationship with a person who will not commit?
Maybe after you open up and let the truth come in, I could refer you to counsel.



The Levites are disenfranchised in Ezekiel 44:10-14

They are assigned for all the chores because of their idolatrous behavior and allowed to only perform secondary service.
You lack knowledge. Read the book, but then again for some this is a game.
 
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Which has nothing to do with the facts.


Spare me the details, coming from someone who don't know about the priesthood.



There's nothing that someone who don't know the priesthood was divided into two offices can tell me. You're straining on the gnat and swallowing the camel whole.



I was about to say you were afraid to admit when you are wrong because you haven't admitted it yet.



Maybe after you open up and let the truth come in, I could refer you to counsel.



You lack knowledge. Read the book, but then again for some this is a game.


Only thing is, I am not wrong about there being 3 divisions of Priests.

Again

Gershon
Merari
Kohath
 
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Watching sometimes begins counting the ten days of Yom Kippor beginning at Passover.

Coincidence happens to make a person count differently, a person gets a feeling that they are being shown something, a secret at that.

It's like somebody whispering in your ear telling you to look at this or that and begin a count to which you suppose that you are supposed to tell somebody something.

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Is that the sort of things happening and about how it works Jo Anna?

Who's Jo Anna?

Do you feel like somebody is leading you, and showing you things?

Not at all.
I haven't really studied eschatology and don't believe it is correct to try to calculate when Jesus might return.
I come onto this forum, from time to time, in the hope that I might learn and someone might be able to explain things to me. But all I find is people saying things like, "X is the antiChrist", *X isn't the antiChrist", "There is a rapture and it starts .......", "there isn't a rapture" (whatever that is), "Jesus will return on this date - because Daniel and Revelation say ....... This is Scriptural and WILL happen" (it doesn't.) Then there are people who talk about pre trib, post trib and other things. Everyone claims Scriptural backing for their position.

As far as I'm concerned, Jesus told parables teaching us to be ready, said that no one knew the day of his coming, that his return would be like a thief in the night and told us to tell others about him before it was too late.
If Christians want to look at world events, try to interpret them and see them as an indication that the end is near, that is up to them. But what I dislike is when Scripture is used to try to prove a point or support an argument about a certain person or chain of events.
There have been a few particular threads like that; one was some years ago when someone insisted that Tony Blair was the antiChrist, that he was going to be the 1st president of the EU, sign a treaty and then we would be in end times. This forummer got quite annoyed with me when I debated with him and said, "wait and see but I don't believe it". He insisted that Scripture taught this and it would happen. Obviously it didn't, and he first changed his website to promote another candidate for the antichtrist, then took it down altogether. Another thread gave several links to Youtube, where people were getting almost hysterical at the upcoming London Olympiics - where there was supposed to be a "false flag", and massive disaster. This was supposed to have been foretold in Scripture too - there was even a video of a Pastor giving all the references which "proved" this. Then there have been threads which claimed that Jesus would return on a certain day. Well he didn't, and hasn't. In fact none of the events spoken about - which were all supposedly predicted by Scripture and therefore bound to happen; have.

Personally I'm not even sure I want to staudy eschatology and try to understand; whatever I learn, it seems there will be someone to contradict it.
 
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Strong in Him said:
:confused: Who's Jo Anna? Not at all. I haven't really studied eschatology and don't believe it is correct to try to calculate when Jesus might return. I come onto this forum, from time to time, in the hope that I might learn and someone might be able to explain things to me. But all I find is people saying things like, "X is the antiChrist", *X isn't the antiChrist", "There is a rapture and it starts .......", "there isn't a rapture" (whatever that is), "Jesus will return on this date - because Daniel and Revelation say ....... This is Scriptural and WILL happen" (it doesn't.) Then there are people who talk about pre trib, post trib and other things. Everyone claims Scriptural backing for their position. As far as I'm concerned, Jesus told parables teaching us to be ready, said that no one knew the day of his coming, that his return would be like a thief in the night and told us to tell others about him before it was too late. If Christians want to look at world events, try to interpret them and see them as an indication that the end is near, that is up to them. But what I dislike is when Scripture is used to try to prove a point or support an argument about a certain person or chain of events. There have been a few particular threads like that; one was some years ago when someone insisted that Tony Blair was the antiChrist, that he was going to be the 1st president of the EU, sign a treaty and then we would be in end times. This forummer got quite annoyed with me when I debated with him and said, "wait and see but I don't believe it". He insisted that Scripture taught this and it would happen. Obviously it didn't, and he first changed his website to promote another candidate for the antichtrist, then took it down altogether. Another thread gave several links to Youtube, where people were getting almost hysterical at the upcoming London Olympiics - where there was supposed to be a "false flag", and massive disaster. This was supposed to have been foretold in Scripture too - there was even a video of a Pastor giving all the references which "proved" this. Then there have been threads which claimed that Jesus would return on a certain day. Well he didn't, and hasn't. In fact none of the events spoken about - which were all supposedly predicted by Scripture and therefore bound to happen; have. Personally I'm not even sure I want to staudy eschatology and try to understand; whatever I learn, it seems there will be someone to contradict it.

I agree with you' strong in him'.

There is so much untruth on this forum and I can see how a Christian who is learning about the end times could get confused . Partially , it is that this forum contains so many different views, that it is very hard to search out what is true .

I will say this, anyone who is trying to pend down an exact day for the rapture or says that they know specific things that have nothing to do with the scripture , I would ignore their posts.

Scripture contains ALL truth and we need to look at everything with a scripture backup. This is very time consuming, but it is the only way. It is ok to look at other people's views and opinions , but take some of them very cautiously .
 
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I agree with you' strong in him'.

There is so much untruth on this forum and I can see how a Christian who is learning about the end times could get confused . Partially , it is that this forum contains so many different views, that it is very hard to search out what is true .

I will say this, anyone who is trying to pend down an exact day for the rapture or says that they know specific things that have nothing to do with the scripture , I would ignore their posts.

Scripture contains ALL truth and we need to look at everything with a scripture backup. This is very time consuming, but it is the only way. It is ok to look at other people's views and opinions , but take some of them very cautiously .

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Thank you.
 
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I also agree .... the Lord has not revealed the dating of His next intervention to anyone

Neither do the prophetic scriptures identify the "antichrist", but only give reference to this one's make up and the location from which he will rise

This forum has many confused individuals who come with all sorts of learned dogmas which do not line up with the Lord's prophetic word .... the same individuals will go to any extent for proving out their positions

And when you see this behavior you can know that most of them are captured and off of the road

Most all "Christian" message boards have been overrun with the same today which unfortunately was not the way most of the boards began several years ago

Most "church" divisions have gone the same way and one will find little truth, but much confusion and apostasy among them

If you are looking for truth, you will not find much on the boards or in any "church" today, and it is best to study your Bible on your own with the Lord's guidance ..... this is possible
 
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Who's Jo Anna?



Not at all.
I haven't really studied eschatology and don't believe it is correct to try to calculate when Jesus might return.
I come onto this forum, from time to time, in the hope that I might learn and someone might be able to explain things to me. But all I find is people saying things like, "X is the antiChrist", *X isn't the antiChrist", "There is a rapture and it starts .......", "there isn't a rapture" (whatever that is), "Jesus will return on this date - because Daniel and Revelation say ....... This is Scriptural and WILL happen" (it doesn't.) Then there are people who talk about pre trib, post trib and other things. Everyone claims Scriptural backing for their position.

As far as I'm concerned, Jesus told parables teaching us to be ready, said that no one knew the day of his coming, that his return would be like a thief in the night and told us to tell others about him before it was too late.
If Christians want to look at world events, try to interpret them and see them as an indication that the end is near, that is up to them. But what I dislike is when Scripture is used to try to prove a point or support an argument about a certain person or chain of events.
There have been a few particular threads like that; one was some years ago when someone insisted that Tony Blair was the antiChrist, that he was going to be the 1st president of the EU, sign a treaty and then we would be in end times. This forummer got quite annoyed with me when I debated with him and said, "wait and see but I don't believe it". He insisted that Scripture taught this and it would happen. Obviously it didn't, and he first changed his website to promote another candidate for the antichtrist, then took it down altogether. Another thread gave several links to Youtube, where people were getting almost hysterical at the upcoming London Olympiics - where there was supposed to be a "false flag", and massive disaster. This was supposed to have been foretold in Scripture too - there was even a video of a Pastor giving all the references which "proved" this. Then there have been threads which claimed that Jesus would return on a certain day. Well he didn't, and hasn't. In fact none of the events spoken about - which were all supposedly predicted by Scripture and therefore bound to happen; have.

Personally I'm not even sure I want to staudy eschatology and try to understand; whatever I learn, it seems there will be someone to contradict it.

SO............... Tony Blair is not the antichrist?

I don't predict dates either, but Jesus does not come as a thief to every one, Paul says this, and Jesus.


The people who know the times and seasons don't need to be caught like a thief, and watching is also watching so that you will know the hour.
 
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SO............... Tony Blair is not the antichrist?

Of course he's not. My point though was that this forummer had interpreted Scripture in a particular way, had decided that it proved that he was, and was getting rather annoyed with anyone who disagreed, saying that to do so was to doubt God.

The people who know the times and seasons don't need to be caught like a thief, and watching is also watching so that you will know the hour.

If we have accepted Jesus, confess him as Saviour and Lord, are filled with his Spirit and are children of God, we will be ready for his return. If we are ready we will not be caught out or found wanting - even if we weren't expecting him to come on that particlar time.

And my concern is that people might spend either so long looking into the sky - like the disciples did at the ascension - or examining the leteer of Scripture and trying to decipher the code they believe to be there, that they will fail to look at the need around them and not carry out the Comission that Jesus gave us. If it was possible to work out times and seasons, I don't think Jesus would have told so many parables about being ready or urged repentance. They will be no virture in saying, in heaven, "I saw him before you did."
 
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Of course he's not. My point though was that this forummer had interpreted Scripture in a particular way, had decided that it proved that he was, and was getting rather annoyed with anyone who disagreed, saying that to do so was to doubt God.



If we have accepted Jesus, confess him as Saviour and Lord, are filled with his Spirit and are children of God, we will be ready for his return. If we are ready we will not be caught out or found wanting - even if we weren't expecting him to come on that particlar time.

And my concern is that people might spend either so long looking into the sky - like the disciples did at the ascension - or examining the leteer of Scripture and trying to decipher the code they believe to be there, that they will fail to look at the need around them and not carry out the Comission that Jesus gave us. If it was possible to work out times and seasons, I don't think Jesus would have told so many parables about being ready or urged repentance. They will be no virture in saying, in heaven, "I saw him before you did."


1 Thess----
The Day of the Lord
1Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
4But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all children of the light and children of the day.


What is the times and seasons of God?


THE CHANGING OF TIMES AND TORAH COMMANDS
KJV Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws ...
1 Maccabees 1:49: To the end they might forget the law, and change all the ordinances.
Antiochus IV Epiphanes DECREED that you NOT follow the "times and seasons" of the Torah (weekly Sabbath and annual Festivals days) and other Torah commands.
Constanatine Christianity says Yeshua is Messiah and changed the sabbath and annual festival days given by Moses in the Torah.


This AntiChrist is to change the times and the seasons so that the people of God will not know the times and season of God.


Any time Rosh Hashanah was talked about, it was said,'' Of that hour and day no man knoweth. It is Jewsih Idiom about Yom Hakeseh{the hidden day}

We are to know the times and seasons like the back of our hand.

This is called, '' Watching.''

And we are to watch on specific days.



But the idea of Antichrist is to turn all the people of God away from the knowledge of the visitation days of Christ.

If we know who Christ really is, then we know what is to be word at the wedding feast, we should know what we should be doing on the days God has given us to prepare for.

Just believing in Jesus doesn't prepare us for what we are to prepare for.

Thousands of years of practicing the coming of the Lord and his days of visitation so that we will by no mean not know what we are to do.

Knowing the times and the seasons is knowing how Jesus fulfilled Shemini Atzereth, Sukkot, Passover and things Jesus has to do.

If we do not know the times and seasons then Jesus WILL be as a thief to those who do not watch, and they will not know what day or what hour he comes.'''


It has always been the Job of the antichrist to turn the whole world against God's Holy days and he has done an excellent job in doing so.

There is no reading Revelation when one does not study the days of visitation,



We have been forever waiting on a false Messiah to come and pass laws against the Holy days of God, and to persecute all those who keep the Holy days of Jesus.

I say that this has already happened and furthermore, the people who claim to follow the lamb wherever he goes, do not know him, because they do not know his missions, his Holy days, his traditions,




There are two Messiahs, One Messiah has all his Holy days written down and these are appointed visitation days that prove who the Messiah is, and we prove that we follow him because we know him, and we prove that we love him enough to find out everything written concerning who and what he is, and what he comes to do, and we prepare for these events.


The AntiChrist is a Messiah who many people look to as being a Messiah of Babylon and all his ways are from Babylon.

He looks just like Jesus, except that he and his followers are against the commandments of God and they stand against all that is called or God or that is worshipped{Holy days and feasts.}.....


The book of Revelation details this antichrist and his followers by connecting him to the most ancient presumed Messiah who was supposedly resurrected through the death of Nimrod.

Tammuz, the resurrected Nimrod is no doubt the antichrist and has always been such.

That's exactly why we find the 666 where we find the name,'' Tammuz''



WE as Christians are given sure promises that will by no means come and go without incidence.


The fall rains of the second coming of Jesus gives us promises that if we are prepared, we can receive that Promise.

But the devil does not want you to know the day of that promise, he does not want you to prepare as those before us prepared and received the promise.

The devil does not want people repenting before the great day of the Lord, he does not want Elijah to come and restore the appointed days so that people will be prepared.


Revelation 3: 2 is not some idle thing that Jesus is telling us to do.

Remember therefore how you have received and heard; Hold fast and repent. THEREFORE IF YOU WILL NOT WATCH{THE TIMES AND SEASONS}, I WILL COME UPON YOU AS A THIEF.''

And this is what the devil wants, he doesn't want anyone keeping any of the Holy days taught by Jesus.

He stands to keep the times and the seasons changed as they have been changed ,Lo, these many centuries.

He stands against everything that is called of God and that is worshipped and his job is to turn the children of Israel away from their maker, away from the inctructions given to us by God.
 
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There were false messiahs in Jesus day, and shortly after, and the problem was how strict they were with the law. hence the warning right in Mt 24 & //s 'pray you don't have to flee on the sabbath' because the enforcers would get you and punish you.
 
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This AntiChrist is to change the times and the seasons


This he will do .... and with Koranic Sharia law

He will turn the times and seasons of Judaism and all that is of Israel, and replace these things with the Muslim corruptions taught by Mohammed, the Koran, and by the Muslim hadith

He will replace all that the Lord has set out for Israel and give it over to the Muslims

This is already the practice of those who hate Israel and want the nation destroyed

Satan's beast in the little horn will accomplish much of this for the Muslims during the coming time of "Jacob's trouble" .... the 70th week decreed for the returned remnant of Israel at the end of this present age

The stage is being set for these things to take place in the Middle East at the present time
 
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there certainly are parallels in how Islam does things. It is literalist, strict, and a missionary formerly in Iran once refered to it as being a step backward from Judaism. But is any of this what Mt 24 & //s were about, and more to the point of the OP, 'Elijah has already come' so does it have anything to do with that?

I used to spell out the main features of the Jewish war of 66+ here at CF as found in Mt 24 and //s because maybe history will repeat itself. But as far as the apostles saw things, there was no doubt Mt 24 and //s was about that war. Luke is on that topic very early in his account; the question was about the final day. As historian K. Lattourrette shows, the uncertainty about why the 2nd coming did not happen 'immediately after' the Judean events has been unresolved, humanly speaking, ever since. Of course, we know the Father decides the final day.
 
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Israel has been set aside because of the nation's rejection of Jesus Christ which is still the case today [Romans 11]

.... but this condition is going to change and the Lord will do the pressuring upon the nation to cause a remnant part to turn to Him when He is ready .... all of these will be saved out of the coming time of "Jacob's trouble" .... as mortals, and these will enter and populate His coming millennial kingdom upon the earth

He will not do this until He is satisfied with the numbers of the Gentiles of the nations have been added to His ecclesia .... His call, and no dating revealed

He will tarry until He is ready ..... and then He will intervene with a focus upon the remnant of Jacob

Both Matthew 24 and Luke 21 are His views of this remnant .... the generation that will be living in the land at the end of this present age

His discourse is not about 70 AD or about today's ecclesia

Did He tell His early Israelite followers anything about the dating of His coming intervention .... no

He has told no one ..... He speaks to them as Israelites and about their nation's future

This is what they were concerned about [Acts 1:6]

And again, they did not know whether they would personally be living on the earth when all of these things taken together would come to pass

.... and He simply did not tell them one way or the other

And it will be Satan, his beast, and Muslim followers who will attempt to prevent the Lord's intent on this matter .... to prevent His intervention and following millennial kingdom upon the earth

And when they do, He will destroy the Muslim beast and his human followers at Armageddon .... and Satan will be captured and sent to the abyss for 1000 years so that he cannot interact with the mortal populations of the Lord's coming millennial kingdom
 
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The Day of the Lord
1Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
4But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all children of the light and children of the day.


What is the times and seasons of God?


THE CHANGING OF TIMES AND TORAH COMMANDS
KJV Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws ...
1 Maccabees 1:49: To the end they might forget the law, and change all the ordinances.
Antiochus IV Epiphanes DECREED that you NOT follow the "times and seasons" of the Torah (weekly Sabbath and annual Festivals days) and other Torah commands.
Constanatine Christianity says Yeshua is Messiah and changed the sabbath and annual festival days given by Moses in the Torah.
yes, we have inherited Babylon from our fathers

This AntiChrist is to change the times and the seasons so that the people of God will not know the times and season of God.
that has already happened to Christianity, and even in today's Judaism.
I don't deny that, but is TODAY's ignorance of those Holy days,
the same warned against ignorance of end time prophesy?

Any time Rosh Hashanah was talked about, it was said,'' Of that hour and day no man knoweth. It is Jewsih Idiom about Yom Hakeseh{the hidden day}
sounds familiar, no?
We are to know the times and seasons like the back of our hand.

This is called, '' Watching.''

And we are to watch on specific days.
yep, but I gather most of us Christians,
and most of those that follow the current day Jewish calendar,
are dead wrong

just imagine that the very days u are warning people to be on watch for,
are NOT the actual days (biblically) to be watching on.

But the idea of Antichrist is to turn all the people of God away from the knowledge of the visitation days of Christ.

If we know who Christ really is, then we know what is to be word at the wedding feast, we should know what we should be doing on the days God has given us to prepare for.
Yes, it definitely blows pre trib out of the water,
when we understand the order of events about the feast of trumpets,
ie. what we are to do, before, during and after that point.

Just believing in Jesus doesn't prepare us for what we are to prepare for.
absolutely

Thousands of years of practicing the coming of the Lord and his days of visitation so that we will by no mean not know what we are to do.
iow, the feast of trumpets
is actually the practice day for the Coming of the Lord
yet many Christians today think those feasts have no place in Christianity.
sad.

Knowing the times and the seasons is knowing how Jesus fulfilled Shemini Atzereth, Sukkot, Passover and things Jesus has to do.
and since He fulfilled all of those spring feasts of the Lord
to the literal day and hour,
it stands to reason that He will likewise fulfill the fall feasts of the Lord
in the same manner

If we do not know the times and seasons then Jesus WILL be as a thief to those who do not watch, and they will not know what day or what hour he comes.'''
that is the EXACT meaning.:thumbsup:

It has always been the Job of the antichrist to turn the whole world against God's Holy days and he has done an excellent job in doing so.
JOB did no such thing...lol.
just joking.^_^

There is no reading Revelation when one does not study the days of visitation,
it is the fulfillment of the practices, that the feasts are.

We have been forever waiting on a false Messiah to come and pass laws against the Holy days of God, and to persecute all those who keep the Holy days of Jesus.

I say that this has already happened and furthermore, the people who claim to follow the lamb wherever he goes, do not know him, because they do not know his missions, his Holy days, his traditions,
hypocrites, as Christ says

There are two Messiahs, One Messiah has all his Holy days written down and these are appointed visitation days that prove who the Messiah is, and we prove that we follow him because we know him, and we prove that we love him enough to find out everything written concerning who and what he is, and what he comes to do, and we prepare for these events.


The AntiChrist is a Messiah who many people look to as being a Messiah of Babylon and all his ways are from Babylon.

He looks just like Jesus, except that he and his followers are against the commandments of God and they stand against all that is called or God or that is worshipped{Holy days and feasts.}.....
folks interpret that many ways

The book of Revelation details this antichrist and his followers by connecting him to the most ancient presumed Messiah who was supposedly resurrected through the death of Nimrod.

Tammuz, the resurrected Nimrod is no doubt the antichrist and has always been such.

That's exactly why we find the 666 where we find the name,'' Tammuz''
I know about the ancient connections Tammuz and nimrod
but I urge u to look into what I have been saying about 666
imo it's actually Arabic writing, not Greek writing/numbers

WE as Christians are given sure promises that will by no means come and go without incidence.

The fall rains of the second coming of Jesus gives us promises that if we are prepared, we can receive that Promise.

But the devil does not want you to know the day of that promise, he does not want you to prepare as those before us prepared and received the promise.

The devil does not want people repenting before the great day of the Lord, he does not want Elijah to come and restore the appointed days so that people will be prepared.
there are a few that have been doing that. see Michael Rood and company.
restoring the appointed days.
but folks don't like to follow them, even in Israel.


Revelation 3: 2 is not some idle thing that Jesus is telling us to do.

Remember therefore how you have received and heard; Hold fast and repent. THEREFORE IF YOU WILL NOT WATCH{THE TIMES AND SEASONS}, I WILL COME UPON YOU AS A THIEF.''

And this is what the devil wants, he doesn't want anyone keeping any of the Holy days taught by Jesus.

He stands to keep the times and the seasons changed as they have been changed ,Lo, these many centuries.

He stands against everything that is called of God and that is worshipped and his job is to turn the children of Israel away from their maker, away from the inctructions given to us by God.
this pagan calendar we all follow,
and the Babylonian Jewish one the Jews of today follow,
are both part of Satan's great plan
even many Jews and Christians today that THINK they follow he Creator's Calendar,
are in error
as is easily checkable by the lunar calendar
 
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If we do not know the times and seasons then Jesus WILL be as a thief to those who do not watch, and they will not know what day or what hour he comes.'''

Jesus will return as a thief in the night, suddenly. It was will a great shock, and bad news, for those who are not ready - who are eating and drinking as in the days of Noah, thinking that they have years ahead of them; who are wearing the wrong wedding clothes, have not accepted Jesus as Saviour and Lord and are choosing to remain, and live, in their sins.
For those who are born again, adopted as God's children, living for, and serving, him, Jesus' return will be wonderful. Even if we are feeling depressed, unwell and were not expecting him to return just then, or were hoping it might be om a day when we felt good. Nothing can seperate us from God's love; we are in him, and belong to him, for as long as we choose to remain and not walk away. God will not reject people who did not know about "watching" or working out times and seasons from Scripture.
What did the risen Lord Jesus say when the disciples asked him if he was going to restore Israel? "It is not for you to know the times and seaons set by my Father - go and be my witnesses."

The devil does not want people repenting before the great day of the Lord, he does not want Elijah to come and restore the appointed days so that people will be prepared.

The devil doesn't want people to repent, know and accept Jesus and come to God; he doesn't want people to know that he was defeated at the cross, and that we can be reconciled to God and have eternal life. He does what he can to prevent people from hearing the Gospel. If they do hear it, he may whisper that there is lots of time before they need make a decision, or he will put lots of questions and doubts in their minds - what about suffering, evolution, the Trinity, the reliability of Scripture etc etc - so that they hear but never receive.

The devil doesn't want the Gospel preached or us to carry out the Great Commission.

And this is what the devil wants, he doesn't want anyone keeping any of the Holy days taught by Jesus.

He doesn't want anyone to KNOW Jesus. He doesn't want people to know that Jesus is the second Adam who has taken our sins upon himself, reconciled us to God and reversed what the first Adam did. The devil doesn't want us to know that his own downfall was foretold in the Garden of Eden and fulfilled on the cross; that he is a defeated foe who will one day be destroyed. He doesn't want us to know that Jesus is Saviour, Lord and king; risen and ascended in glory and before whom EVERY knee will one day bow. He doesn't want us to know that, because we might tell others and drag them out of his clutches!

Jesus didn't tell us to keep any days holy. He told us to love him, follow him, make disciples and made it possible for his Holy Spirit to live in us so that we could abide in him and BE holy. Holy=set apart. We are set apart from the world, are not of tthe world, if we belong to Jesus. We have his presence with us always, and his Spirit in us. We are urged to give ourselves to God and abide in him. If we are doing this; every day is holy.

THEREFORE IF YOU WILL NOT WATCH{THE TIMES AND SEASONS}, I WILL COME UPON YOU AS A THIEF.''

You carry on "watching" if that's what you feel you have to do or are called to do - as long as you don't neglect all the rest of it.
 
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