When will Elijah the prophet appear in the world?

[Interplanner]

Good point, Strong. The first thing to do with this saying is to see how the NT uses it. Maybe the great and terrible day is different from what we were thinking.

 

[Interplanner]

Hanni,
where is the Daniel prediction of a prediction?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Hanni,
where is the Daniel prediction of a prediction?

It's the last thing said in the book of Daniel.


Daniel goes through explaining the Arab spring, the fall of the throne of Egypt for the first time in History, the Libyans and Ethiopians at his feet.

A Nubian ruler becomes the ruler of the most powerful nation in the world and Daniel says he is a foreigner to this country he rules.

This evil ruler takes the wealth of this nations and divides the spoil among the common people so that they will support him and he ruins the country.

In those days there is a false prophecy of the end of the world given and this prophecy fails. The failure of this prophecy cause many to lose faith in God, but then the end does come.



What is the job of the prophet for the last days?


A person is to Herald Camping, because the prophets say that if you are not found camping in your booth in the last days, you die.

I have been Heralding Camping for over a decade before Harold came along, and I had to grin at his name.


My Jewish Tanakh has footnotes as to what the Jewish understanding of Daniel's scripture means.

They say somebody predicts the end of days, and it fails.

It says, '' other time predictions are added{calculated from the failed prediction}, pushing the expected end slightly later than those that have come before. It is possible that the failure of the end to come prompted two successive adjustments.''


That's exactly what happened, those who watched saw, and many started counting by what Harold had done.


Those who watch what happened when Harold came saw what happened with the Volcano and the smoke, and the city of Job, the whirlwind, and the rip in the earth that is seen from space.

The bride literally vanished in the smoke, but who saw it?

 

[zeke37]

Jacob and Israel

Jacob and Israel a nation divided
All their needs God provided

Jacob to the north 10 tribes strong
Israel to the south 2 tribes strong

there is the WHOLE house of Israel,
which references all 12 tribes (both houses)
which is JACOB

then there is the house of Israel,
sometimes referred to by Ephraim (it's largest tribe),
which is the 10 tribes to the north

and there is the house of Judah
the southern 2 tribes (Benjamin stuck with them)

I can rhyme too, i'll show ya...
(just off the top of my head, addressing the errors in this poem)



Jacob's the patriarch, of ALL 12 tribes.
he had 12 sons, but only 2 wives.

Israel came back or so it seemed
Jacob lost, never redeemed?

Ephraim was scattered, and never returned
but Judah came back, for Messiah's turn

but Judah was naughty, wicked and bad
so God made them leave the land that they had

eventually tho, they were allowed to return
setting things up for Messiah's next turn

now all through the earth, we can be grafted in
through Ephraim's harlotry, and Judah's sin

The end is near and our nation is falling
Jacob Jacob Jacob, your God is calling

if that is true, then Christians beware
for Jacob is BOTH houses, and together we're a pair

Jacobs plagues will come in one day
The furnace of affliction is on the way

Fast and weep and mourn and pray
God is calling before that day

Jacob to the north 10 tribes strong
Israel to the south 2 tribes strong

Israel to the north, 10 tribes scattered
Judah to the south, 2 tribes tattered

The furnace of affliction brings forth gold
The people turn to God as in the days of old

Two rise up from the fire
Jacob and Israel they inspire

Ephraim and Judah will be re-united
and grafted in gentiles can get excited

Jacob and Israel sing a new song
Jacob and Israel 12 tribes strong

Jacob is Israel and Judah together
eventually "we" shall be gathered all together!

 

[precepts]

Not to stray off the topic, but time, times, and half a time is equal to 1260 days, evident by the amount of time the woman in Revelation spends in the wilderness from the face of the dragon. It's also evident in Dan 7:25, and calculated to be the amount of days in the middle of the week when the covenant is broken in Dan 9:27. This 1260 days is 3 1/2 yrs (time, times, and 1/2 a time) or 42mths if divided by 30 days as the amount of days in every month. I don't think the Israelis and the world have figured this out yet, but 70 solar yrs and 6 solar days is equal to 69 hebrew yrs of 360 days a year, which could very well be the reason for Daniel's 70 wks prophecy of 7 and 62 wks in the 70 wks prophecy. The calendar the Israelis are using today isn't scriptural. So I think Jon Anon is missing the boat.

7wks = 7yrs = 7 x 360 days = 2520 days / 2 = 1260 days = middle of the wk!


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[HannibalFlavius]

there is the WHOLE house of Israel,
which references all 12 tribes (both houses)
which is JACOB

then there is the house of Israel,
sometimes referred to by Ephraim (it's largest tribe),
which is the 10 tribes to the north

and there is the house of Judah
the southern 2 tribes (Benjamin stuck with them)

I can rhyme too, i'll show ya...
(just off the top of my head, addressing the errors in this poem)



Jacob's the patriarch, of ALL 12 tribes.
he had 12 sons, but only 2 wives.

Ephraim was scattered, and never returned
but Judah came back, for Messiah's turn

but Judah was naughty, wicked and bad
so God made them leave the land that they had

eventually tho, they were allowed to return
setting things up for Messiah's next turn

now all through the earth, we can be grafted in
through Ephraim's harlotry, and Judah's sin


if that is true, then Christians beware
for Jacob is BOTH houses, and together we're a pair


Israel to the north, 10 tribes scattered
Judah to the south, 2 tribes tattered


Ephraim and Judah will be re-united
and grafted in gentiles can get excited


Jacob is Israel and Judah together
eventually "we" shall be gathered all together!

1 Hear us, O Shepherd of Israel, you who lead Joseph like a flock;http://www.biblestudytools.com/psalms/80.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-1 you who sit enthroned between the cherubim,http://www.biblestudytools.com/psalms/80.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-2 shine forth 2 before Ephraim, Benjamin and Manasseh.http://www.biblestudytools.com/psalms/80.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-3 Awakenhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/psalms/80.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-4 your might; come and save us.http://www.biblestudytools.com/psalms/80.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-5 3 Restorehttp://www.biblestudytools.com/psalms/80.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-6 us,http://www.biblestudytools.com/psalms/80.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-7 O God; make your face shine upon us, that we may be saved.

Oh Benjamin, most beloved of the Lord.
Your brother is looking for you, where could you be stored?

They seek you out in Judah, and wonder where you are,
Amongst the trees of Joseph, are you hiding under the star?

Benjamin, Benjamin, wherefore art thou, Give us a Holla.
We have searched and searched to the depths. of VallHalla.

Come out, come out for the Lord has demanded your presence!

Benjamin is between Judah and Ephraim, and in Benjamin, David built Jerusalem.


Benjamin was a part of Both kingdoms and Benjamin was chosen as the city of David because Benjamin has always been a part of both kingdoms, it was how David united all of Israel, through Benjamin.

Benjamin the beloved who rests in the bosom of his father.


The demand to produce Benjamin is a thing that happens in the last days.

He is in both Kingdoms..

 

[precepts]

It's the last thing said in the book of Daniel.


Daniel goes through explaining the Arab spring, the fall of the throne of Egypt for the first time in History, the Libyans and Ethiopians at his feet.

A Nubian ruler becomes the ruler of the most powerful nation in the world and Daniel says he is a foreigner to this country he rules.

This evil ruler takes the wealth of this nations and divides the spoil among the common people so that they will support him and he ruins the country.

In those days there is a false prophecy of the end of the world given and this prophecy fails. The failure of this prophecy cause many to lose faith in God, but then the end does come.



What is the job of the prophet for the last days?


A person is to Herald Camping, because the prophets say that if you are not found camping in your booth in the last days, you die.

I have been Heralding Camping for over a decade before Harold came along, and I had to grin at his name.


My Jewish Tanakh has footnotes as to what the Jewish understanding of Daniel's scripture means.

They say somebody predicts the end of days, and it fails.

It says, '' other time predictions are added{calculated from the failed prediction}, pushing the expected end slightly later than those that have come before. It is possible that the failure of the end to come prompted two successive adjustments.''


That's exactly what happened, those who watched saw, and many started counting by what Harold had done.


Those who watch what happened when Harold came saw what happened with the Volcano and the smoke, and the city of Job, the whirlwind, and the rip in the earth that is seen from space.

The bride literally vanished in the smoke, but who saw it?

Try using logic and sticking to the context, Dan chpts 8 and 11's context is the Greek lil horn. It's the Greek lil horn that places the abomination, scatters the power of the holy people, and ends the daily sacrifices. It's not a Nubian leader.

It should be a crime to print unfactual things concerning scripture, punishable by 50 stripes.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Try using logic and sticking to the context, Dan chpts 8 and 11's context is the Greek lil horn. It's the Greek lil horn that places the abomination, scatters the power of the holy people, and ends the daily sacrifices. It's not a Nubian leader.

It should be a crime to print unfactual things concerning scripture, punishable by 50 stripes.

I take the Nubian part from Isaiah concerning the last days and what happens to Egypt, and put it with the fall of Egypt in Daniel because it's the same last days, showing what happens.

Isaiah 18-19 and further shows the last days and details what happens in Egypt.

Ezekiel goes along with it.

I could put it in more detail, but I doubt that would make a difference.


Sorry if I have offended you.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

When I see prophecy of a future Egypt in Isaiah, Daniel and other places, I think of more than just a geographical area, the name Egypt depicts a certain thing in symbolism.

It is said that Jesus was killed in Egypt, was he?

No, but the name of Egypt means something more than a geographical reference.

So we have all the prophets speaking of Egypt and Egyptians in the last days.

The Egyptians are ruled by an evil ruler who is of Nubian descent, and they call out for a Messiah just like Israel called out for a Messiah in Egypt.

A Messiah is sent to the Egyptians and Egyptians and Assyrians go through a Passover just like Israel went through a Passover, and it's what makes all people have the same Holy days.

The prophets say that the Egyptians will have their 40 years in the wilderness also, and this also gives them the feast of Tabernacles where all people begin keeping the same Holy days, because all people go through Passover.

So the Egyptians call out for a Messiah when their country is ruled by an evil leader, and they are sent a GREAT Messiah.

Wonder who he is.

 

[precepts]

I take the Nubian part from Isaiah concerning the last days and what happens to Egypt, and put it with the fall of Egypt in Daniel because it's the same last days, showing what happens.

Isaiah 18-19 and further shows the last days and details what happens in Egypt.

Ezekiel goes along with it.

I could put it in more detail, but I doubt that would make a difference.


Sorry if I have offended you.

You're spreading false doctrine. Isa and Ez's prophecy is pre Babylon, Daniel's is post Babylon.

Daniel 11 is Daniel 9's context, the Greek horns.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

You're spreading false doctrine. Isa and Ez's prophecy is pre Babylon, Daniel's is post Babylon.

Daniel 11 is Daniel 9's context, the Greek horns.

It's ok if you have your own opinion, I don't mind.


But I have an opinion also.

My opinion is formed by looking at the prophets as a whole.


I keep in mind what happens in the last days when reading any Prophet of the last days.

Here is what happens, Egyptians, Assyrians, and Israelis become one people after Egypt falls from an evil ruler.


The 3 become one.

They become one because Egyptians and Assyrians go through a Passover, and become like Israelis.

The Orthodox Jews talk about these Egyptians and Assyrians saying that they must be Jews mixed into those nations because they don't want to believe the 3 are to become one.


But they do become one.



Egypt, Assyria, and Israel Blessed

18 In that day five cities in the land of Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear by the Lord of hosts; one will be called the City of Destruction.[d]
19 In that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its border. 20 And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the Lord because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them. 21 Then the Lord will be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the Lord in that day, and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to the Lord and perform it. 22 And the Lord will strike Egypt, He will strike and heal it; they will return to the Lord, and He will be entreated by them and heal them.
23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian will come into Egypt and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians will serve with the Assyrians.
24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, 25 whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance

 

[Gracelands]

Jacob is Israel and Judah together
eventually "we" shall be gathered all together!

Amen and thank the Lord for that! I'd predict there is an iconoclastic wave, re daily sacrifices, acoming though.

Interesting posts.

 

[precepts]

It's ok if you have your own opinion, I don't mind.


But I have an opinion also.

The fact out weighs opinions.

My opinion is formed by looking at the prophets as a whole.

Try accepting the facts. Do you know anyone in 2000 yrs of history that looked at the prophets as a whole?

I keep in mind what happens in the last days when reading any Prophet of the last days.

Here is what happens, Egyptians, Assyrians, and Israelis become one people after Egypt falls from an evil ruler.

You don't even know who the ruler is, muchless the context.

The 3 become one.

They become one because Egyptians and Assyrians go through a Passover, and become like Israelis.

The Orthodox Jews talk about these Egyptians and Assyrians saying that they must be Jews mixed into those nations because they don't want to believe the 3 are to become one.


But they do become one.

That's because you ignore the context and can't interpret the prophecy. That happened post Babylon captivity.

Egypt, Assyria, and Israel Blessed

18 In that day five cities in the land of Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear by the Lord of hosts; one will be called the City of Destruction.[d]
19 In that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its border. 20 And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the Lord because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them. 21 Then the Lord will be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the Lord in that day, and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to the Lord and perform it. 22 And the Lord will strike Egypt, He will strike and heal it; they will return to the Lord, and He will be entreated by them and heal them.
23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian will come into Egypt and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians will serve with the Assyrians.
24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, 25 whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance

All historically documented post Babylon and during the times of the Maccabean heresy when Israel were divided between the kings of the North (Seleucid, Antioch/Babylon) and South (Ptolemies, Egypt).

 

[HannibalFlavius]

The fact out weighs opinions.



Try accepting the facts. Do you know anyone in 2000 yrs of history that looked at the prophets as a whole?


You don't even know who the ruler is, muchless the context.


That's because you ignore the context and can't interpret the prophecy. That happened post Babylon captivity.



All historically documented post Babylon and during the times of the Maccabean heresy when Israel were divided between the kings of the North (Seleucid, Antioch/Babylon) and South (Ptolemies, Egypt).

I'm sorry that you seem offended by what I believe, is there something that you want me to delete?

Or should I go to the other thread and delete something there?

Your wish is my command, but it's not hard to see you have a problem with me.

 

[Strong in Him]

Wait until the 16/17 of october as this is the time that has to be a public call of repentance to fulfill the month of Elul leading up to the true Rosh Hashanah Nov 14/15 2013

What's happening on Wednesday/Thursday then? And what happens if it doesn't?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

What's happening on Wednesday/Thursday then? And what happens if it doesn't?

The day Methusalah died 7 days before the flood, the same day Rachel died giving birth to Benjamin.

Tuesday and Wednesday.


Poor Rachel, she has to die so that Benjamin can be born.

 

[Strong in Him]

The day Methusalah died 7 days before the flood, the same day Rachel died giving birth to Benjamin.

Tuesday and Wednesday.

What does this mean?? Methusulah may have died 7 days before the flood, I suppose, but how do you know it was a Tuesday? There have been thousands of Tuesdays since then anyway; so what? Ditto Rachel and Benjamin. Plus the fact that the dates that were mentioned were 16/17th Oct - which are Wed and Thurs of this week.

Poor Rachel, she has to die so that Benjamin can be born.

If she hadn't become pregnant with Benjamin she wouldn't have died - or at least, not then.
Sorry but I don't get what you are saying.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

What does this mean?? Methusulah may have died 7 days before the flood, I suppose, but how do you know it was a Tuesday? There have been thousands of Tuesdays since then anyway; so what? Ditto Rachel and Benjamin. Plus the fact that the dates that were mentioned were 16/17th Oct - which are Wed and Thurs of this week.



If she hadn't become pregnant with Benjamin she wouldn't have died - or at least, not then.
Sorry but I don't get what you are saying.

Chabad.


I always watch.






Jewish History

Passing of Methuselah (1656 BCE)
Methuselah, the longest-lived human being of all time, died at the age of 969 years on the 11th of Cheshvan of the year 1656 from creation (2105 BCE) -- exactly seven days before the beginning of the Great Flood. Methuselah was Adam's great-great-great-great-great-grandson and Noah's grandfather.


Rachel (1553 BCE)
The matriarch Rachel died in childbirth on the 11th of Cheshvan of the year 2208 from creation (1553 BCE) while giving birth to her second son, Benjamin.
Rachel was born in Aram (Mesopotamia) approximately 1585 BCE. Her father was Laban, the brother of Jacob's mother, Rebecca. Jacob came to Laban's home in 1576 BCE, fleeing the wrath of his brother Esau. He fell in love with Rachel and worked for seven years tending Laban's sheep in return for her hand in marriage. But Laban deceived his nephew, and on the morning after the wedding Jacob discovered that he had married Rachel's elder sister, Leah. Laban agreed to give him Rachel as a wife as well in return for another seven years' labor.
Rachel was childless for many years, while her elder sister and rival gave birth to six sons and a daughter in succession. Finally, in 1562 BCE, she gave birth to Joseph. Nine years later, while Jacob and his family were on the road to Jacob's ancestral home in Hebron (after a 22-year absence), she gave birth to a second son, but died in childbirth. Jacob buried her by the roadside, in Bethlehem; there, "Rachel weeps over her children, for they are gone [in exile]" (Jeremiah 31:14). Her tomb has served as a place of prayer for Jews for more than 35 centuries.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

If she hadn't become pregnant with Benjamin she wouldn't have died - or at least, not then.
Sorry but I don't get what you are saying.

Sarah and Hagar were symbolic for Jerusalem.

The same type of thing can be said of Jacob's beloved Rachel, and her sister Leah.

The birth of the beloved Benjamin is very symbolic as we see Rachel dying.


If Sarah and Hagar had so very much symbolism, then imagine the symbolism we are shown in Rachel and Leah, and their hand maidens.

There is 5 mothers of Israel, and all of them symbolic of something real important.

Rachel gives birth to Joseph, he becomes a slave, sold into the gentile nations, rejected by his brethren, thrown into a pit and presumed dead and he is a shadow that points to Jesus himself.

So how symbolic can the mother of Joseph be?

She gives birth to the true servant, but Benjamin his brother also has to be born, and in his birth, Rachel dies.








Matthew 2:18 is the eighteenth verse of the second chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament. Herod has ordered the Massacre of the Innocents and this verse quotes from the Book of Jeremiah to show that this event was predicted by the prophets.
In the King James Version of the Bible the text reads:
In Rama was there a voice heard,lamentation, and weeping, andgreat mourning, Rachel weeping forher children, and would not becomforted, because they are not.
Galatians 4:21-31

King James Version (KJV)

21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all

 

[precepts]

I'm sorry that you seem offended by what I believe, is there something that you want me to delete?

Or should I go to the other thread and delete something there?

Your wish is my command, but it's not hard to see you have a problem with me.

The only think I want you to do is stop printing opinions, and stick to the facts. To post anything contrary to the fact is to distort scripture.


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