What's so bad about the Book of Mormon?

[Niblo]

BUT they believe god

BUT they believe god is some pervert who had sex with Mary..

...

Not so. We believe in the Virgin Birth, as the Christians do. There was no sex involved.

You have a good day now.

 

[mmksparbud]

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It's the critics of the church who argue that sex took place.[/QUOTE]

Brigham Young only said that what took place happened via "natural means".

Please be so kind as to explain "via natural means."

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Don't make God out to be a perv, or try to use a human explanation for something of the divine .

Quackery don't work on me.

You said it not me, but your NT seems to say the same thing.


God is not a perv in my religion, but then, My God doesn’t have “relations” with human females that result in the birth of children either.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

BUT they believe god is some pervert who had sex with Mary, AND they teach convert or die...

It’s a good thing there is not one single instance of “convert or die” in the Glorious history of Christendom.

 

[Kristin E]

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It's the critics of the church who argue that sex took place.

Please be so kind as to explain "via natural means."[/QUOTE]

They believe their god had sex with Mary... Which is sad...

 

[ViaCrucis]

According to this site, the Catholic Church is Christian, I’m sure the Catholics would be surprised.

Ah, so we have ourselves a good old fashioned Fundamentalist that doesn't accept Catholics and other normal Christians as being Christian. That would explain a lot actually.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

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[ViaCrucis]

Ugh my bad because they sounded like a muslim, then again I can't expect much from a religion that denies Christ.

Muslims aren't heretics either. They're Muslims. Islam isn't a heresy, it's a separate religion altogether.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Aryeh Jay]

According to this site? Well they are wrong.
Well according to this site they also allow heathen in, but does that make it right?

Don’t forget the idolaters too.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Ah, so we have ourselves a good old fashioned Fundamentalist that doesn't accept Catholics and other normal Christians as being Christian. That would explain a lot actually.

-CryptoLutheran

I’ve often wondered about those people. They don’t recognize the Catholic Church, yet they use a bible that was canonized by the Catholic Church, repeat creeds composed by the Catholic Church, celebrate holidays finalized by the Catholic Church and worship on Sunday, the day picked by the Catholic Church.

 

[Kristin E]

Don’t forget the idolaters too.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

[Kristin E]

Muslims aren't heretics either. They're Muslims. Islam isn't a heresy, it's a separate religion altogether.

-CryptoLutheran

They're ISIS.

 

[Kristin E]

Then I recommend not partaking in the worship of Zeus or Poseidon. I have no idea why you bring this passage up.



It would seem confusing wisdom with bigotry would be the opposite of being wise.



"Our fight is not against flesh and blood" writes the Apostle in Ephesians ch. 6, "but against the cosmic powers of darkness". Attacking and ridiculing your fellow man created in the image and likeness of God by conflating him or her with the devil is certainly not a Christian thing to do. I believe St. James in his epistle has a few choice words about being double-tongued.

That and you seem to be under the erroneous idea that Muslims worship a different god than Christians do. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all recognize the same Deity, the God of Abraham. Our differences are theological, what we believe about this God.



I'm not interested in what you imagine or think Muslims or people of other religions do. I'm talking about how our Lord Jesus Christ teaches us as Christians to act, how He commands that we live toward our neighbor.



I'm quite familiar with my Bible. Might I recommend you crack yours open, you seem to have missed the important parts.



Oh, I get the point in trying to use religion to justify hatred and anger toward those different. I just think it's wrong. Morally, theologically, and exegetically.

-CryptoLutheran

Nice try, but Muslims do not worship the same "deity". I like how you used the term "deity" as if God is so far off that He cannot be reached.
Muslims worship satan, period... They look up to a lunatic who raped 8 yr olds, and beheaded Christians AND Jews.
Do Jews worship the same God? Yes they do, even though they deny Christ.
Whether they like it or not they are still serving Him, because Jesus and The Father are in one accord.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I would first probably nitpick about some of those. For one it depends on what we mean by "Catholic Church", because it's important to remember the 5th and 11th century schisms: The Nestorian and Miaphysite Schisms in the 5th and the Great Schism in the 11th. Because the Eastern Churches are as much the Catholic Church as the Roman Catholic Church is (insofar as we're talking about those churches which, formerly, were united together in the catholicity of the Christian Church of antiquity). Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox confess the same Creed (the Niceno-Constantinoplian Creed), worship on the same day of the week as given in apostolic tradition, more-or-less share the same Canon of Scripture, and have the same major Feast Days (the Armenian Church excluded as they retain the ancient tradition of incorporating the celebration of the Nativity as part of Epiphany/Theophany rather than the more universal practice of celebrating it on Dec. 25th).

But yes, it is this ancient catholic Church which, springing from the apostolic and sub-apostolic Church of antiquity that has given Christendom the Canon of Scripture, the Church Year, the Creeds, and our historic forms of worship. (As a Lutheran I consider being Lutheran part of that ancient catholic continuum of faith, which is why I freely confess faith in the holy catholic Church).

I only nit-pick because I think it erroneous to include Roman Catholicism to the exclusion of the rest of the catholic churches (Eastern and Oriental Orthodox specifically).

Though largely speaking anti-Catholic sentiment arises from a certain ignorance of history that does not quite conceive how to think about the larger Christian world, or the history of the Christian faith. The complex and nuanced history of the Christian Church usually isn't going to register on that sort of radar.

I've also found that usually knowledge of the Creeds is very limited in such circumstances--personally speaking I had never heard of any of the Creeds until I was an adult and stumbled upon them when I started studying the history of the Church. Also, speaking personally, the question of how the biblical Canon came to be simply wasn't a question that was addressed when I was growing up, I don't think I even remember wondering how it happened--the narrative was simplistic and straightforward: The Bible just was.

-CryptoLutheran

I used “Catholic Church” because in my limited exposure to the more outspoken fundamentalist churches, they are unaware of any schisms or the fact that other “Churches” broke away before Luther’s Reformation.


I was a Boy Scout in the 1980s and out troop was sponsored by a Baptist Church. One year, as part of “A Scout is reverent”, we attended some other churches services. While some of my fellow scouts could keep their comments about the Catholic Church to themselves during the service, the Greek Orthodox service floored them with giggling, pointing and disrespectful comments about how the Priests were dresses, the incense, and the Greek language. Three of them actually left because they weren’t going to be a part of “this pagan stuff”. It was embarrassing to the ones who stayed and surprisingly, I bet that Jesus would have recognized more of the Greek service than He would have a Baptist preacher slamming his Bible on the podium and condemning everyone to Hell.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Shouldn’t that read “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto Me, but by Me.” remember, Jesus is God.

 

[Kristin E]

Shouldn’t that read “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto Me, but by Me.” remember, Jesus is God.

You are right He IS God, but NOT God the Father, nice try though. They are 3 in 1, 3 separate persons in 1 accord.
Let me ask you this, how do you plan to get to The Father? By sacrificing goats? Obeying the law?
Your sins are as filthy rags, how could you possibly be good enough?
Whether you like it or not, you NEED the Saviour, AND whether you like it or NOT He exists!

 

[smaneck]

BUT they believe god is some pervert who had sex with Mary, AND they teach convert or die...

One of these days you might decide to study a topic before you spout out so much misinformation about other people's religion. They most definitely do not believe that God had sex with Mary. In regards to the Virgin birth the Qur'an emphatically says, "God does not begot nor is He begotten, He hath only to say of thing "BE" and it is."
Nor does it teach convert or die. What the Qur'an very explicitly says is "There is no compulsion in religion." Show me a verse in the Bible that says anything like that! On the contrary Luke 14:23 "compel them to come in" was historically used by both St. Augustine and Charlemagne to justify forcible conversion.

 

[smaneck]

I've read some of the BoM, so I can't be fooled to believe that it is the same, sorry...

Since you have repeated so many lies about Muslim I have no reason to believe a word you say about the Mormons. It seems to me that this is a perfect example of Proverbs 10:18

 

[smaneck]

So and your point is??

That he is a crook who is cannot be considered a credible authority on anything.

 

[smaneck]

Ugh that;s not what the Bible says...
Ugh my bad because they sounded like a muslim, then again I can't expect much from a religion that denies Christ.

Wrong again. Islam doesn't deny Christ.