What's new in the world of Creationism vs Evolution?

[joshua 1 9]

Francis Collins accepts the evidence for evolution and a 14 billion year-old universe. In what sense do "you" have him?

The difference between Darwin and his friend Charles Lyle is that Lyle was not a traitor to his faith. He worked to reconcile any differences between science and his faith. Collins remains true to both his faith and his understanding of Science. He does this by saying that science does not understand the mysteries of God. His belief is that God had a plan and a purpose for man from the very beginning of the universe. I am not as convinced as Collins is but when it comes to natural selection. Maybe his faith is stronger then mine, still he is a director and far more qualified then I am. If you looking for a creationism that can be taught in the public schools then by far and away it would be Collins book "The language of God".

'God Is Not Threatened by Our Scientific Adventures'

 

[joshua 1 9]

14 billion year-old universe.

I have no problem with a 14 billion year old universe. Right now the only way you can get that to work with genesis chapter one is Schroeder theory where each day is half the length of the day before it. I am still a dispensationalist so for me a day is 1,000 years and that is where I do my research and I am better able to explain. Either way we have to explain what the verse means that the earth was without form and void. Jeremiah talks about this also: "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."

 

[Jimmy D]

We found some missing links in evolution:

EV-L--I--

And it's not even spelled right:

E--V-I--L

Makes sense, there are similar missing links in creationism:

CRE-TI--N---

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What circumstantial evidence is that? There is no evidence from genetics, linguistics, or archeology.

Let take language. A black baby from Africa is adopted by an American, grows up here never being exposed to African culture whatsoever. How would his 'language', American English, reveal his African roots?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What circumstantial evidence is that? There is no evidence from genetics, linguistics, or archeology.

The evidence is the culture, and prophecied future of several of the tribes, fulfilled in several present nations. The theory hinges on God's promise to preserve those tribes.

 

[PsychoSarah]

We found some missing links in evolution:

EV-L--I--

And it's not even spelled right:

E--V-I--L

Funny, but either way, that would be enough to indicate the answer isn't Creationism, which had neither an L nor a V in it.

 

[Loudmouth]

I am not as convinced as Collins is but when it comes to natural selection.

He is squarely on the side of random mutations with respect to fitness and natural selection (including genetic drift).

 

[Queller]

Let take language. A black baby from Africa is adopted by an American, grows up here never being exposed to African culture whatsoever. How would his 'language', American English, reveal his African roots?

It wouldn't.

The problem with your analogy is that no Israelite babies were adopted by the English or Americans and raised without any influence from their original culture. Remember your claim is that some of the ten tribes became Anglo-Israelis. That couldn't happen if they were adopted by the people they supposedly became.

 

[joshua 1 9]

He is squarely on the side of random mutations with respect to fitness and natural selection (including genetic drift).

Yet he predicts a revolution in gene therapy. Almost as if natural selection made a mess but it is not to late to save ourselves.

 

[Queller]

The evidence is the culture,

How do you believe British or American culture reflects Israelite roots?

and prophecied future of several of the tribes, fulfilled in several present nations.

To what prophecies are you referring?

The theory hinges on God's promise to preserve those tribes.

So someone has just made up the idea that the British and Americans are those tribes in the absence of evidence?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It wouldn't.

The problem with your analogy is that no Israelite babies were adopted by the English or Americans and raised without any influence from their original culture. Remember your claim is that some of the ten tribes became Anglo-Israelis. That couldn't happen if they were adopted by the people they supposedly became.

My point was that linguistics cannot be used to determine historic ethnic background if the person or peoples are completely disconnected from them. That said anyone raised in a cosmopolitan setting uses expressions that could have originated anywhere in the world, many of which aren't even understood by those speaking them. So if I use an expression that originated in the far east it doesn't mean that I have ancestors there.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

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How do you believe British or American culture reflects Israelite roots?

We study their history, possess their religion, and fulfill prophecies concerning them.

To what prophecies are you referring?

Those concerning Joseph, through Ephraim and Manasseh; the birthright promises.

So someone has just made up the idea that the British and Americans are those tribes in the absence of evidence?

The evidence is found by reconciling biblical history and prophecy with the history of Britain and America.

 

[Cearbhall]

So has there been anything new or interesting cropped up in the last decade? I see AiG has actually started publishing more genomics-based material (articles like this one for example). Funny how it's taken them about a decade to start catching up to some of the real-world science.

Yeah, it's fun. I took a DNA test for genealogy and downloaded my raw data. I like applying new research to my understanding of my own DNA.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So if I use an expression that originated in the far east it doesn't mean that I have ancestors there.

What is interesting is that noodles comes from the east. Back when they had the silk road they took noodles with them from the east to the west. Then in the west they began to make noodles out of the grains they had rather then the rice they used in the East. Also they make noodles out of beans in the East. Eventually wheat noodles found their way from the west to the east.

The silk highway is still there today. They say it is a very nice route to take if you want to rent a motorcycle for your vacation. There are people that post photos of their trip on the old silk road. At first the road was only two or three hundred miles, then over the years it grew to be two or three thousand miles. By the time Marcos Polo came along it was 4,000 miles.

 

[Loudmouth]

Yet he predicts a revolution in gene therapy. Almost as if natural selection made a mess but it is not to late to save ourselves.

Gene therapy is the opposite of natural selection.

 

[Cearbhall]

Yet he predicts a revolution in gene therapy. Almost as if natural selection made a mess but it is not to late to save ourselves.

You're not making any sense. Natural selection occurs because for any trait, a good portion of the population has less-than-ideal genes. It's all a mess, because there's no intelligent force guiding it. New mutations pop up every generation. Some helpful, some detrimental. Gene therapy means that, in some cases, those who are genetically less unfortunate no longer have to suck it up and live with the cards they were dealt.

 

[joshua 1 9]

It's all a mess, because there's no intelligent force guiding it.

"It's all a mess" because creation is in a fallen condition and in need of redemption. That is what Creationism is all about. Everything is an object lesson to teach people their need for redemption and a redeemer. God makes that very plain and clear because all of Creation is in a fallen condition. "For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now." Romans 8:22

 

[Loudmouth]

"It's all a mess" because creation is in a fallen condition and in need of redemption. That is what Creationism is all about. Everything is an object lesson to teach people their need for redemption and a redeemer. God makes that very plain and clear because all of Creation is in a fallen condition. "For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now." Romans 8:22

Doesn't change the fact that gene therapy is not natural selection.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Doesn't change the fact that gene therapy is not natural selection.

Collins whole book: "The Language of Life" is based on how mankind needs to fix the mess that evolution has made out of God's Creation. You make it sound like natural selection is not here as a creative force but as a force designed to destroy God's Creation.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So someone has just made up the idea that the British and Americans are those tribes in the absence of evidence?

We know that farming spread from ancient Mesopotamia to Europe.

How European Farmers Spread Agriculture Across Continent