What's new in the world of Creationism vs Evolution?

[Queller]

They don't call themselves 'Israelites', as this would imply that they are part of a greater Israel. "Israeli" means a Jewish citizen of the modern State of Israel.

Reread what you wrote paying special attention to the part I highlighted.

I wasn't aware that DNA from the lost tribes existed.

Nor did I claim there was. You claimed that "The modern day descendants of ancient Israel are the Anglo-Saxon democracies,". This is known as "British Isrealism" or "Anglo-Israelism". Modern examination of British DNA shows that they do not have the genetic markers that would be expected in someone of Middle Eastern descent.

 

[Queller]

What did Japan do to Israel?

They attacked Pearl Harbor (America), British possessions in the far East, and planned to attack Australia; all descendant peoples of Israel. Descendant peoples of Israel fought them including; Australia, Britain, New Zealand, and Canada.

Unfortunately there is no genetic, linguistic, or archeological evidence to support the claim that Anglo-Saxons are descended from the lost ten tribes.

BTW, are you aware that some proponents of this theory claim that the Japanese are descended from one of the lost ten tribes?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Reread what you wrote paying special attention to the part I highlighted.

Nor did I claim there was. You claimed that "The modern day descendants of ancient Israel are the Anglo-Saxon democracies,". This is known as "British Isrealism" or "Anglo-Israelism". Modern examination of British DNA shows that they do not have the genetic markers that would be expected in someone of Middle Eastern descent.

That is evidence that the Israelites were "a different manner of people" from other middle east peoples throughout their history. Recall that God set them apart from the nations around them. Abraham sent his servant to bring his son Isaac a wife from among his own people. So if genetic testing could have been done three thousand years ago it might have revealed that the Israelites were very different from their neighbors genetically. The DNA of the tribe of Zebulon might be identical to the Dutch (Netherlands) people today. Israel just didn't intermarry with the nations around them, so when they went into captivity they took their DNA with them, out of the middle east.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Reread what you wrote paying special attention to the part I highlighted.

The Jews have appropriated the national name "Israel" for themselves, believing they are the last of the Israelites. They are actually the descendants of the tribes of Judah and Levi, and some from the tribe of Benjamin.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

BTW, are you aware that some proponents of this theory claim that the Japanese are descended from one of the lost ten tribes?

This has no historical or traditional basis whatsoever, along with the theory that native Americans are as well.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Reread what you wrote paying special attention to the part I highlighted.

Nor did I claim there was. You claimed that "The modern day descendants of ancient Israel are the Anglo-Saxon democracies,". This is known as "British Isrealism" or "Anglo-Israelism". Modern examination of British DNA shows that they do not have the genetic markers that would be expected in someone of Middle Eastern descent.

Since there is no DNA evidence either way there is no compelling evidence that the theory isn't valid.

 

[Queller]

That is evidence that the Israelites were "a different manner of people" from other middle east peoples throughout their history. Recall that God set them apart from the nations around them. Abraham sent his servant to bring his son Isaac a wife from among his own people. So if genetic testing could have been done three thousand years ago it might have revealed that the Israelites were very different from their neighbors genetically. The DNA of the tribe of Zebulon might be identical to the Dutch (Netherlands) people today. Israel just didn't intermarry with the nations around them, so when they went into captivity they took their DNA with them, out of the middle east.

Wow. God set the Israelites apart from everyone else in the Middle East by changing their DNA. Who knew?

Never mind that Israeli DNA does show genetic markers similar to other people in the area.

 

[Queller]

This has no historical or traditional basis whatsoever, along with the theory that native Americans are as well.

Actually it does. Japanese-Jewish Common Ancestry Theory

 

[Queller]

Since there is no DNA evidence either way there is no compelling evidence that the theory isn't valid.

Actually, the DNA evidence argues against it quite well. Your idea that historical Israelites had different DNA markers from every other group in the Middle East is simply baseless fantasy.

Not to mention absolutely no linguistic or archeological evidence of British Israelism either.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Actually it does. Japanese-Jewish Common Ancestry Theory

How did the Jews wind up with Israel's history book, and religion, and they didn't?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Wow. God set the Israelites apart from everyone else in the Middle East by changing their DNA. Who knew?

Never mind that Israeli DNA does show genetic markers similar to other people in the area.

Sure, but the Jews are only one tribe, and they remained in that region long after the 10 tribes were gone.

To fully understand what you are observing you must realize that God didn't bring the entire nation of Israel to northern Europe. It is likely that he reconstituted those tribes from a few selected descendants from each tribe whose lineage was kept pure (of course that lineage has since been corrupted but not before God accomplished his purpose). Recall that God had this planned from the beginning. The rest perished as did those who died in the desert under Moses. Same pattern of new beginnings.

It must also be understood that British Israelism has nothing to do with one's salvation.

 

[Queller]

How did the Jews wind up with Israel's history book, and religion, and they didn't?

I don't know and I don't care.

You claimed that "This [Japanese-Jewish ancestry] has no historical or traditional basis whatsoever" I gave you a link showing that the idea has been around for at least 350 years. This soundly refutes your claim.

Whether the idea is a reasonable or not, I have no idea. It's probably just as reasonable as the idea that the British, Americans, Australians, and whoever else are direct descendants of the ten tribes.

 

[Queller]

Sure, but the Jews are only one tribe, and they remained in that region long after the 10 tribes were gone.

To fully understand what you are observing you must realize that God didn't bring the entire nation of Israel to northern Europe. It is likely that he reconstituted those tribes from a few selected descendants from each tribe whose lineage was kept pure (of course that lineage has since been corrupted but not before God accomplished his purpose). Recall that God had this planned from the beginning. The rest perished as did those who died in the desert under Moses. Same pattern of new beginnings.

It must also be understood that British Israelism has nothing to do with one's salvation.

Too bad there is no evidence for any of this.

And no, a lack of opposing evidence does not mean that the idea is true when there is no evidence supporting it.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Do people still cite Behe, Dembski, et al?

The difference now is we have Francis Collins and he seems to be well accepted by evolutionists.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Too bad there is no evidence for any of this.

And no, a lack of opposing evidence does not mean that the idea is true when there is no evidence supporting it.

The belief persists because of compelling circumstantial evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wondering if anything original or interesting has come in this time.

We found some missing links in evolution:

EV-L--I--

And it's not even spelled right:

E--V-I--L

 

[joshua 1 9]

Israelites had different DNA markers from every other group in the Middle East is simply baseless fantasy.

Judea and the Arabs call upon Abraham as their patriarch and the DNA shows that this is accurate and true.

 

[Queller]

The belief persists because of compelling circumstantial evidence.

What circumstantial evidence is that? There is no evidence from genetics, linguistics, or archeology.

 

[Queller]

Judea and the Arabs call upon Abraham as their patriarch and the DNA shows that this is accurate and true.

What's your point? We aren't talking about Arabs, we're talking about the English and Americans.

 

[Queller]

The difference now is we have Francis Collins and he seems to be well accepted by evolutionists.

Francis Collins accepts the evidence for evolution and a 14 billion year-old universe. In what sense do "you" have him?