What's new in the world of Creationism vs Evolution?

[joshua 1 9]

That's a good 3.5 billion years or so of life evolving without the world being in "a fallen condition and in need of redemption."

God destroyed the dinosaurs with Pangea. God wants to redeem mankind. John 3:16 ""For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."

 

[joshua 1 9]

My post was on the transition between pre-Sudoku and post-Sudoku culture. How is that different?

What is Sudoku? Some sort of problem solving puzzle?

 

[Cearbhall]

God destroyed the dinosaurs with Pangea. God wants to redeem mankind. John 3:16 ""For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."

This has absolutely nothing to do with my question.

And dinosaurs were around until 65 million years ago.

 

[joshua 1 9]

And dinosaurs were around until 65 million years ago.

Jesus said: "It is finished!" There are people that looked forward to that point in time and now we look back to that point in time. That was when He did what He needed to do to redeem us. Genesis 1:31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good ... It could have taken millions and billions of years for God to do what HE did, but there was a point in time when he was finished and His work was perfected. To be perfect means to be whole, finished, mature. A flower in full bloom is perfect. Of course there is no time for God, He is outside of time. So He does not change, He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

 

[Queller]

My point was that linguistics cannot be used to determine historic ethnic background if the person or peoples are completely disconnected from them.

There is no reason that people descended from the original ten tribes would be "completely disconnected" from their ancestors.

That said anyone raised in a cosmopolitan setting uses expressions that could have originated anywhere in the world, many of which aren't even understood by those speaking them. So if I use an expression that originated in the far east it doesn't mean that I have ancestors there.

You don't seem to understand how linguistics is used to determine the origin of a language. The Germanic languages (of which English is an example) did not originate anywhere in the Middle East. They originated in Northern Europe (Sweden, Finland, the Netherlands) around 750 BC and spread south. There is no evidence in the history of those languages of a Middle Eastern influence in their origins

 

[Queller]

We study their history, possess their religion, and fulfill prophecies concerning them.

I didn't ask if we studied them. I asked what about their culture reflects Israelite roots.

Those concerning Joseph, through Ephraim and Manasseh; the birthright promises.

Can you give some specific examples?

The evidence is found by reconciling biblical history and prophecy with the history of Britain and America.

Again, can you give some specific examples?

 

[Queller]

We know that farming spread from ancient Mesopotamia to Europe.

How European Farmers Spread Agriculture Across Continent

What does that have to do with the claim the England and America are descended from the some of the lost ten tribes?

 

[joshua 1 9]

What does that have to do with the claim the England and America are descended from the some of the lost ten tribes?

That is not my claim, you have to talk to whoever is making that claim. I am just saying the Hebrew people took farming to Europe, but I do not get into the detail of what tribe may have been involved.

 

[Queller]

That is not my claim, you have to talk to whoever is making that claim. I am just saying the Hebrew people took farming to Europe, but I do not get into the detail of what tribe may have been involved.

Got any evidence that it was Hebrew people who took farming to Europe? Nothing in your linked article supports that claim.

 

[Loudmouth]

What is Sudoku? Some sort of problem solving puzzle?

What is agriculture other than a solution to food problems?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Got any evidence that it was Hebrew people who took farming to Europe?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/science/ancient-farmers-archaeology-dna.html

 

[joshua 1 9]

What is agriculture other than a solution to food problems?

With farming they could feed more people and that means the population could grow.

 

[Queller]

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/science/ancient-farmers-archaeology-dna.html

From your link:

"Early farmers in Turkey moved across the western part of the country, crossed the Bosporus and traveled into Europe about 8,000 years ago."

Correct me if I'm wrong but Turks aren't Hebrew, are they?

 

[AV1611VET]

From your link:

"Early farmers in Turkey moved across the western part of the country, crossed the Bosporus and traveled into Europe about 8,000 years ago."

Correct me if I'm wrong but Turks aren't Hebrew, are they?

The Turks came from Gomer, Japheth's son.

 

[joshua 1 9]

From your link:

"Early farmers in Turkey moved across the western part of the country, crossed the Bosporus and traveled into Europe about 8,000 years ago."

Correct me if I'm wrong but Turks aren't Hebrew, are they?

Farmers from Anatolia appear to have moved into Europe around 8,000 years ago, replacing the hunter-gatherer cultures that lived there.

Farming is first thought to have emerged in the Levant region of the eastern Mediterranean in what is now Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.

Read more: Europe's first farmers came from Turkey, DNA from Anatolian skeletons show | Daily Mail Online

The ruins of Gobekli Tepe goes back to the 10th–8th millennium BCE. We are not sure what went on there. We do know that this was not a permanent settlement and these people were not farmers. Farming began in the Tigris Euphrates river valley in what was known as Mesopotamia. There were two groups of people living there at the time. The Semitic people conquered the Sumerians.

The Sumerians had gardens shaded by tall date palms where they grew peas, beans and lentils, vegetables like cucumbers, leeks, lettuces and garlic, and fruit such as grapes, apples, melons and figs. Later other foods were grown like onions, beetroot, turnips, pears, pomegranates, nuts and various herbs. In the south the most important crop was the date. Further north, in Assyria, it is too cold in the winter for the date to fruit.

From around 4000 B.C. milk from sheep, goats and cows was used to make butter. Meat was largely reserved for the elite. They ate sheep, goats, beef and poultry. Delicacies included gazelle, mice and locusts. Drying, salting and smoking fish was important (see Food and Cooking). Sheep and goats were also important for their wool and hair. The sheep's fleece was plucked (combed out) rather than shorn. The Standard of Ur shows that sheep and goat were being bred for their long fleeces by 2600 B.C.

Gods and Goddesses

 

[Queller]

Farmers from Anatolia appear to have moved into Europe around 8,000 years ago, replacing the hunter-gatherer cultures that lived there.

Farming is first thought to have emerged in the Levant region of the eastern Mediterranean in what is now Israel, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.

Read more: Europe's first farmers came from Turkey, DNA from Anatolian skeletons show | Daily Mail Online

The ruins of Gobekli Tepe goes back to the 10th–8th millennium BCE. We are not sure what went on there. We do know that this was not a permanent settlement and these people were not farmers. Farming began in the Tigris Euphrates river valley in what was known as Mesopotamia. There were two groups of people living there at the time. The Semitic people conquered the Sumerians.

The Sumerians had gardens shaded by tall date palms where they grew peas, beans and lentils, vegetables like cucumbers, leeks, lettuces and garlic, and fruit such as grapes, apples, melons and figs. Later other foods were grown like onions, beetroot, turnips, pears, pomegranates, nuts and various herbs. In the south the most important crop was the date. Further north, in Assyria, it is too cold in the winter for the date to fruit.

From around 4000 B.C. milk from sheep, goats and cows was used to make butter. Meat was largely reserved for the elite. They ate sheep, goats, beef and poultry. Delicacies included gazelle, mice and locusts. Drying, salting and smoking fish was important (see Food and Cooking). Sheep and goats were also important for their wool and hair. The sheep's fleece was plucked (combed out) rather than shorn. The Standard of Ur shows that sheep and goat were being bred for their long fleeces by 2600 B.C.

Gods and Goddesses

What, if anything, does this do to provide evidence that the Hebrews took farming to Europe? Your link said it was the Turks that did that, not the Hebrews.

The Semitic people who conquered the Sumerians were the Akkadians (Assyria and Babylonia), not the Canaanites (Phoenicians and the Hebrews).

 

[joshua 1 9]

What, if anything, does this do to provide evidence that the Hebrews took farming to Europe? Your link said it was the Turks that did that, not the Hebrews.

The Semitic people who conquered the Sumerians were the Akkadians (Assyria and Babylonia), not the Canaanites (Phoenicians and the Hebrews).

Farming began in the Fertile Crescent, knows as the Cradle of Civilization. Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden planted by God Himself. In many ways on many levels this was a new beginning for mankind.

 

[Queller]

Farming began in the Fertile Crescent, knows as the Cradle of Civilization. Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden planted by God Himself. In many ways on many levels this was a new beginning for mankind.

I'm still not seeing any evidence that the Hebrews were the ones who took farming into Europe, as you claimed. You have presented links as support for this idea that instead provide evidence that it was the Turks who took farming to Europe.

Do you have any evidence (not just stories) to support your idea?

 

[Gene2memE]

Farming began in the Fertile Crescent

Maybe not.

Based on recent evidence of preserved cereal crops and tools, its just as likely farming (as in domestication, planting and cultivation of crops) actually began in multiple locations, both in the Fertile Crescent, and outside it in sites around Turkey and Central Asia.

As we continue to learn more about early agriculture, we continue to push back time lines (cultivation of proto-domestic crops may be as old as 23,000 years) AND broaden the areas where we think agriculture developed.

For example, evidence from Chinese neolithic site suggest millet domestication may have begun in Northern China as early as 14,000 to 16,000 years ago.

I've got a study on my hard drive somewhere that fig domestication in Northern Africa might be even older, possibly as far back as 16,000 to 18,000 years ago, during one of the 'warm, wet Sahara' periods.

I'd not be surprised if Western Asia or Central Asia showed up older evidence still.

The picture has become sufficiently clouded that it's hard to honestly argue for the Fertile Crescent as the sole origin for agriculture. Its more likely that farming arose independently, multiple times in multiple locations.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Do you have any evidence (not just stories) to support your idea?

Farming began with the Hebrew nation and then spread to the non Hebrew nations. God lifts up a people to be a great nation and they set an example for the other nations to follow.