What was reformed?

[Dave L]

But who gave the reformers this authority to do such a thing?

Scripture alone.

 

[Dave L]

How can there be more that one true church?

The true Church is also called the body of Christ. It is invisible until two or three meet in his name at any place they choose. It becomes invisible again when they go their separate ways.

Institutional visible churches are not the church. But are more like religious franchises that sell services to believers of a certain mind-set. They can offer certain levels of truth but many end-up brainwashing their subjects to grow the business.

 

[thecolorsblend]

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[Athanasius377]

No one has the right to read the Bible and decide on doctrine for himself or to start a church! matt 16:18 only Jesus founded the church on Peter and the apostles eph 2:20
Doctrine dogma or truth must be revealed by God!

Then tell us, where can I find Rome's infallible interpretation on the entire bible? Not just a couple verses but the entire bible.

 

[b4jesustoday]

Philip
mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
The reformers abandoned this church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles eph 2:20 and without Any authority Started new churches (sects)

the church founded by Christ is a perfect society and cannot err in matters of faith and morals

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

jn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Christ continues His ministry in His church thru the apostles same mission power and authority!
Peter the apostles and their successors act in the person of Christ even to the forgiving of sins jn 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Apostles are God breathed! The one, Holy, Catholic, and apostolic church is eternal!

 

[b4jesustoday]

Then tell us, where can I find Rome's infallible interpretation on the entire bible? Not just a couple verses but the entire bible.

mt 16:18
Mt 28
Jn 20
Jn 16:13 jn 8:32
Eph 2:20
Peter the apostles and their successors

 

[Athanasius377]

mt 16:18
Mt 28
Jn 20
Jn 16:13 jn 8:32
Eph 2:20
Peter the apostles and their successors

That's not what I asked for. Where is Rome's infallible interpretation of the entire Bible?

Also why do you refer to yourself as a traditional catholic?

 

[b4jesustoday]

Pete? Nice name but what to do with you? How do you combat spiritual blindness?

Jesus is Head of the Church, not the pope, Peter or anyone else.
who ever claimed He was not?
Peter called pope but that just means father, He the Vicar of Christ, in other words Christ continues His ministry thru His church thru the apostles and their successors with the same mission power
And authority! Peter is the head of the church on earth, Christ ascended into heaven before that He appointed Peter head of the church on earth!

mt 16:18 thou art Peter etc.
matt 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter...

John 21:17
He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Lord Jesus is the Rock on which the church is built, not any man.

that’s not what Jesus and the Bible say
Mt 16:18 Peter eph 2:20 the apostles
It is Jesus church He is the builder and the corner stone

Peter was a sinner. Peter was guilty of hypocrisy. Not much of a start for an infallible pope. He was married.

Peter the apostles and all their successors are men all are sinners and have fallen nature!

Peter is not infallible in his personal life, not sinless, only infallible when with his apostolic authority he defines a doctrine revealed by Christ on faith and morals to the universal church! As promised by Christ mt 16:18 jn 8:32 jn 16:13 jn 20 jn 21:17

Enforced celibacy is contrary to God's word and a mark of false teaching. (1 Timothy 4:3).

Nonsense the church does not forbid marriage, I was married 25 yrs, priestly celibacy is a discipline not a doctrine, there are rites in the church where priests can be married and have a family, no forces a man to be a priest, they have free will!

 

[Dave L]

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The Catholics assembled the Scriptures into books. The scriptures were already here.

 

[b4jesustoday]

Also why do you refer to yourself as a traditional catholic?

Jn 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

there’s only one true church!

 

[thecolorsblend]

The Catholics assembled the Scriptures into books. The scriptures were already here.

Mmm, yeah but not rly tho. Humanly-speaking, the Catholic Church wrote the New Testament.

 

[Neostarwcc]

Still not right. Sacraments do not save.

No. They dont but its a vast improvement over the 16th century church.

We also have the pope claiming Atheists are saved. You cant win every battle. The Catholic church will probably never accept the 5 solas but, Calvinists and Arminians are also constantly arguing on theology. When.it comes to sinful mankind you have to pick your battles. The mainstream church has vastly improved thanks to the actions of the reformers.

 

[Dave L]

Mmm, yeah but not rly tho. Humanly-speaking, the Catholic Church wrote the New Testament.

Paul, Matthew, Mark, John and a few others wrote it. Did you guys plagiarize it?

 

[BNR32FAN]

What was reformed?
What was the authority for the reformation? Or
Where does the Bible say to have a reformation?

Well you have to understand that the intention behind the the reformation was justified given the actions of the Roman Church at that time. Unfortunately they just didn’t get the doctrines right.

 

[b4jesustoday]

There is only one savior Jesus Christ!

he saves thru His church and His sacraments!

Baptism!


Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Matt 28:19 ( Disciples by baptism not faith alone)


Mk 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.


Mark 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved!

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)


John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)


John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)


John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)


John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.(Baptism)


Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?


37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.


Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


Romans 6:3

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?


1 Corinthians 12:13

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.


Galatians 3:27

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.


Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (baptism)


1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.


21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)

(Outside the ark and the church there is no salvation!)

 

[b4jesustoday]

Well the reformers were not apostles!

the one true church cannot be reformed!
Mt 16:18

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

But you haven't proven it wrong.

It may not be wrong. Do you think it’s possible it could be wrong? I’m just asking is it possible at all?

 

[Loversofjesus_2018]

Scripture alone.

Mind telling me where?

 

[b4jesustoday]

What’s the question? Sorry

 

[thecolorsblend]

No. They dont but its a vast improvement over the 16th century church.

We also have the pope claiming Atheists are saved. You cant win every battle. The Catholic church will probably never accept the 5 solas but, Calvinists and Arminians are also constantly arguing on theology. When.it comes to sinful mankind you have to pick your battles. The mainstream church has vastly improved thanks to the actions of the reformers.

I can think of one "sola" for sure that we'll never accept. We have a thing against man-made doctrines, you see.