What "rights" do homosexuals "deserve" to have -- WITH POLL!!

[Dysnomia]

There are a myriad of different interpretations of the Bible. Each denomination has it's own take on whether gays/lesbians be allowed to marry in the eyes of God. They ought to be given all of the same legal rights as everyone else and deal with marriage on a religious level within their own faith.

NOT make a blanket rule to cover everyone

 

[BreadAlone]

I agree, given that the man-made rules do not directly conflict with God-given ones. Gay marriage does not conflict, however, as it only is a means of legal contract. What gay marriage implies, can be debated, but its not about the implications of what gay marriage is about, its whether they can be legally married. I'll state again that I only read condemnation to same-sex sex. I can see the fundamentalist side of this, that homosexuals wish to define themselves according to their sexual preference, and demand to have equality in what was originally a God-given institution. This however is a civil matter, and not a religious one, because of our freedoms.

If they'd change the name of homosexual marriage to another, but it would still be a union of exact status..I'd be okay with it as an American citizen. (However, I am but a stranger here..but nevertheless..)

 

[BAFRIEND]

There are a myriad of different interpretations of the Bible. Each denomination has it's own take on whether gays/lesbians be allowed to marry in the eyes of God. They ought to be given all of the same legal rights as everyone else and deal with marriage on a religious level within their own faith.

NOT make a blanket rule to cover everyone

Well, Muhammed the Prophet married and had sex with a six year old girl. So in all fairness should Muslims be able to marry and molest children ?

 

[Dysnomia]

So in all fairness should Muslims be able to marry and molest children?

Of course not. You'll note that in Muslim countries they have laws against that kind of thing.

As it is, pedophilia has nothing to do with whether or not religious denominations recognize their respective members' unions as within the faith or not.

If folks want civil unions, give them civil unions. Let different faiths determine whether a civil union also counts as a marriage on their own without trying to impose the decision of one on everyone else. That's what religious freedom is in this country.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Yes, those who follow after the Holy Spirit hear the truth. Those that follow other spirits hear the lies of the enemy of our souls. Whether they be spirits of pride, spirits of perversion, spirits of envy..... etc. Only ONE Spirit leads and guides us into all truth. That is the Holy Spirit.

There are a myriad of different interpretations of the Bible. Each denomination has it's own take on whether gays/lesbians be allowed to marry in the eyes of God. They ought to be given all of the same legal rights as everyone else and deal with marriage on a religious level within their own faith.

NOT make a blanket rule to cover everyone

 

[IamRedeemed]

Well, I don't, so that one is number 5 in my Bible.

But nevertheless, your parents and the government
are two different entities and that commandment
has nothing to do with government.

We are to be law abiding citizens though, but in a republic,
people have a voice and while they are allowed to use to it
influence law, they should by voting their consciences imo,
while they can.

If you number the commandments the way Lutherans do, the fourth is "Honor your father and mother that it may go well with you, and that you might enjoy long life on the earth."

 

[Catherineanne]

What, in heaven's name, is the sin in exhorting our brethren? It is the honourable thing to do--it honours God!

It is only honourable if we have first removed the beam from our own eye. Otherwise, our first concern has to be our own heart, and our own sin.

Christ said, very clearly, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Exhort away, but only if you yourself are without any sin whatever in your own heart.

If nothing else, the sin of pride in feeling holier than the person on the receiving end of all that piety should be enough to keep anyone's mouth shut.

Meanwhile, while sorting out our own sin, we should follow the advice of St Francis who said, preach the gospel at all times. If absolutely necessary use words. In other words, preach the gospel by who you are and what you do, not by chastising your brothers and sisters in Christ for their supposed sins.

 

[Catherineanne]

Those who choose homosexuality deny God.

Not so. God is love, and those who express love and compassion towards our gay brothers and sisters do so in the knowledge that man cannot love anyone more than God loves them first.

Those who deny this love are the ones who deny something of God, both in themselves and in our faith.

And usually this is because they are first of all denying something deep within themselves.

 

[Floatingaxe]

It is only honourable if we have first removed the beam from our own eye. Otherwise, our first concern has to be our own heart, and our own sin.

Christ said, very clearly, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Exhort away, but only if you yourself are without any sin whatever in your own heart.

That is right. As a normal heterosexual I lack a log of my own. I amabsolutely free and right to preach the truth to those who err in the area of homosexuality. Thanks.

If nothing else, the sin of pride in feeling holier than the person on the receiving end of all that piety should be enough to keep anyone's mouth shut.

Heaven forfend! Actually what we are being assaulted by here is the utter unabashed pride of the sinner in debate.

Meanwhile, while sorting out our own sin, we should follow the advice of St Francis who said, preach the gospel at all times. If absolutely necessary use words. In other words, preach the gospel by who you are and what you do, not by chastising your brothers and sisters in Christ for their supposed sins.

My sisn has been nailed to the cross. St.Francis of Assisi was only partly correct. We have a mandate by God to correct our brothers and sisters...even if they say in their foolishness that they are brothers and sisters.


I happen to believe that by the opposition to the truth, that they aren't, and should be allowed to go merrily on their way. But as they continue in a Christian Forum, proclaiming Christianity, they need to be made aware that they are far from God and that they need salvation desperately, for their sin will lead them to damnation.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Not so. God is love, and those who express love and compassion towards our gay brothers and sisters do so in the knowledge that man cannot love anyone more than God loves them first.

Those who deny this love are the ones who deny something of God, both in themselves and in our faith.

And usually this is because they are first of all denying something deep within themselves.

It's not love that coddles a sinner. These people need to repent, and fast. God hates what they are doing, and it will get them to hell, and not with Him. Woe to the one who coddles the homosexual as well--for they will be judged for not telling the truth.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I figured out what happened here! Actually what happened was that Catholicon, took my statement, did not change the font or the color or anything and rearranged words and changed words to suit herself and it was THAT quote, that you were responding to, so it was not your fault and it wasn't you who changed anything I said.
(which is here http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=41319737&postcount=106)

She should next time use the quote function and if she wants to reword what someone else says using their quote then it would be good manners in the least to change the font and color to match the rest of his post.

But it is a good thing you pointed this out to me. Shows you need to be on your guard against them like the Bible cautions.

 

[Catherineanne]

That is right. As a normal heterosexual I lack a log of my own. I amabsolutely free and right to preach the truth to those who err in the area of homosexuality. Thanks.

I would not exchange places with you for all the tea in China. What does Paul say of those who claim to be without sin?

I happen to believe that by the opposition to the truth, that they aren't, and should be allowed to go merrily on their way. But as they continue in a Christian Forum, proclaiming Christianity, they need to be made aware that they are far from God and that they need salvation desperately, for their sin will lead them to damnation.

Be careful, my friend. The line you draw will run just above your head in eternity.

What part of 'Judge not lest ye be judged' do you not understand?

 

[Catherineanne]

It's not love that coddles a sinner. These people need to repent, and fast. God hates what they are doing, and it will get them to hell, and not with Him. Woe to the one who coddles the homosexual as well--for they will be judged for not telling the truth.

Where does the Bible say I should not 'coddle' a gay?

You're just making this stuff up now, aren't you?

 

[BAFRIEND]

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I would not exchange places with you for all the tea in China. What does Paul say of those who claim to be without sin?





Be careful, my brother. The line you draw will run just above your head in eternity.

What part of 'Judge not lest ye be judged' do you not understand?

She is not claiming to be without sin.

When you see a video of somebody randomly killing on TV and think, "Gee, that is horrible what that guy is doing"- does that mean you are claiming to be without sin?

 

[BAFRIEND]

Where does the Bible say I should not 'coddle' a gay?

You're just making this stuff up now, aren't you?

Maybe you should read some quotes from Jesus like he warns that not everyone who says Lord Lord are going to heaven.

Does the Lord sound like a Mollie-Coddler to you ?

 

[Catherineanne]

Maybe you should read some quotes from Jesus like he warns that not everyone who says Lord Lord are going to heaven.

Does the Lord sound like a Mollie-Coddler to you ?

Oh, so you have to read one thing, as from Matthew 25, the one you mention, and pretend it says something else?

Thanks for that. I think I will stick to what Scripture actually says, and not paraphrase it to suit my own prejudices. My Bible says love your enemies and do good to those who hurt you. It says nothing whatever, in any place, on any page, about avoiding coddling.

 

[Catherineanne]

She is not claiming to be without sin.

When you see a video of somebody randomly killing on TV and think, "Gee, that is horrible what that guy is doing"- does that mean you are claiming to be without sin?

God said, thou shalt not kill.

God did not say anywhere, thou shalt not be gay.

Sin is not in being, but in behaviour. And sinful behaviour is not what we do, but how we do it.

There is no single action in the world which is always and at all times holy. If the heart is not right, it is not holy. And if the heart is right, then it is.

Did Our Lord teach us nothing?

 

[BAFRIEND]

God said, thou shalt not kill.

God did not say anywhere, thou shalt not be gay.

Jesus and the OT only speak of marriage and divorce as between a man and a woman:

again again again:

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders … (1Cor 6:9)

Fornication is not nine-tenths of the law- it is sin and the punishment for non-redemption and perpetual sin is brimstone.

 

[catlover]

It's not love that coddles a sinner. These people need to repent, and fast. God hates what they are doing, and it will get them to hell, and not with Him. Woe to the one who coddles the homosexual as well--for they will be judged for not telling the truth.

God hates greed and gluttony...do you inform people at a buffet they are sinning?

 

[Floatingaxe]

God hates greed and gluttony...do you inform people at a buffet they are sinning?

No, and I don't tell homosexuals on the street they are perverts either, but when they come in here, proud as punch of their sin, claiming that they have a relationship with Jesus Christ, I have a God-given obligation to refute and rebuke.

Christians normally are convicted of their sinning and seek Godly help. The homosexuals that you see who claim Christianity have no conviction of their sin due to their seared consciences. It is very difficult to make them see their sin---it is a stronghold.

Only intercession and deliverance will help.

In this place, we are virtually talking to a brick wall...