What "rights" do homosexuals "deserve" to have -- WITH POLL!!

[CaDan]

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship
of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be
a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4

Jesus said in Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathers not
with me scatters abroad.

and in Luke 11:23
He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathers
not with me scatters.

The world says "love everyone according to our standards and you will have peace."

Is that what Jesus said?

Jesus said in Matthew 10:34-38:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a
man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother,
and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall
be they of his own household. He that loves father or mother more
than me is not worthy of me: and he that loves son or daughter more
than me is not worthy of me. and he that taketh not his cross,
and follows after me, is not worthy of me.

Quite different than what the world says, isn't it?

God loves the world.

 

[Zecryphon]

Is that why so many heterosexual, Christian marriages fail because they are not loving commitments. Is that why so many end in adultery?
What basis is their for a Christian marriage is it isn't loving commitment just list many gay marriages?

"Is that why so many heterosexual, Christian marriages fail because they are not loving commitments. Is that why so many end in adultery?"

I think it's part of the reason. I think another reason is that Christians don't take marriage seriously anymore. For a lot of people it's just tradition, something you're supposed to do when you grow up. Add to that the message that people have received that your personal happiness is what's most important. If your needs aren't getting met, find someone or something that will meet your needs. Sacrificing for your partner, putting somebody else's needs first, that's a thing of the past. But that's what Christianity teaches. We no longer live for ourselves but for Christ and our fellow human being.

"What basis is their for a Christian marriage is it isn't loving commitment just list many gay marriages?"

I don't understand the question.

 

[CaDan]

This is yet another Scripture used by you
out of context. Again, I refer you to 2 Timothy 2:15

Considering that one of the major themes of Romans is unity between Jewish and Gentile believers and that although they come out of different traditions and have different practices, they are united in Christ, I think your critique of taking the verse out of context is misplaced.

A quicky quote from Deutero-Paul regarding diligence in working with the logos of God is not really supportive of your position. You appear to be relying on translation artifacts from 16th century English. spoudazo does not really translate as "study" in the modern meaning of the term and orthotomeo is more of a reference to a skilled or straight cut. Methinks a bit of Protestant theology slipped into that translation to make is more sola scriptura than it is in the original.

 

[IamRedeemed]

What is it that unifies though? The flesh? That which is born of spirit is spirit, but that
which is born of flesh is flesh. As I pointed out already, Jesus said, His Word which is
the Sword, does not bring peace. It divides and sets people at variance with one another
and even members of your own household will be your foes, if you are a keeper of His Word.

That is why there are some here who love the concept of being a Christian, but
deny the living Christ and deny the living Word. Instead they follow "another Jesus".
One they made that they like and who likes everything about them, and requires
nothing and will shower them with everlasting life and blessings for doing the things
on purpose that sent Him to the cross.

Their Jesus is more like Confuscious or Buddha and the like. He is not resurrected.
Was just a man, is not God. And some here live just to taunt those
who speak the Holy Word with boldness, and they shall have their reward as well.
For they are spiritual adulterers and adulteresses according to the Word and as
such make themselves enemies of God's (James 4:4) encouraging
people to remain in bondage in their condemned state. See John 3:17-19

For they cannot sleep unless they have caused trouble or vexation; their sleep is taken away unless they have caused someone to fall. For they eat the bread of wickedness and drink the wine of violence. But the path of the [uncompromisingly] just and righteous is like the light of dawn, that shines more and more (brighter and clearer) until [it reaches its full strength and glory in] the perfect day [to be prepared]. The way of the wicked is like deep darkness; they do not know over what they stumble.

Proverbs 4:15-18 Amplified

Considering that one of the major themes of Romans is unity between Jewish and Gentile believers and that although they come out of different traditions and have different practices, they are united in Christ, I think your critique of taking the verse out of context is misplaced.

A quicky quote from Deutero-Paul regarding diligence in working with the logos of God is not really supportive of your position. You appear to be relying on translation artifacts from 16th century English. spoudazo does not really translate as "study" in the modern meaning of the term and orthotomeo is more of a reference to a skilled or straight cut. Methinks a bit of Protestant theology slipped into that translation to make is more sola scriptura than it is in the original.

 

[CaDan]

What is it that unifies though? The flesh?

Yes. And the spirit. Both together. That is the miracle of the Incaration. That is why Mary is the Mother of God. Flesh and spirit together. Sown in corruption and raised in incorruption.

That which is born of spirit is spirit, but that
which is born of flesh is flesh.

Perhaps a review of the Definition of Chalcedon is in order:

Therefore, following the holy fathers, we all with one accord teach men to acknowledge one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, at once complete in Godhead and complete in manhood, truly God and truly man, consisting also of a reasonable soul and body; of one substance with the Father as regards his Godhead, and at the same time of one substance with us as regards his manhood; like us in all respects, apart from sin; as regards his Godhead, begotten of the Father before the ages, but yet as regards his manhood begotten, for us men and for our salvation, of Mary the Virgin, the God-bearer; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, recognized in two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the distinction of natures being in no way annulled by the union, but rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming together to form one person and subsistence, not as parted or separated into two persons, but one and the same Son and Only-begotten God the Word, Lord Jesus Christ; even as the prophets from earliest times spoke of him, and our Lord Jesus Christ himself taught us, and the creed of the fathers has handed down to us.​

Separation of the flesh and the spirit and rejecting one in order to fulfill the other is one of the marks of Gnosticism.

As I pointed out already, Jesus said, His Word which is
the Sword, does not bring peace. It divides and sets people at variance with one another
and even members of your own household will be your foes, if you are a keeper of His Word.

Yes, the Gospel breaks down existing social orders. As Glass*Soul wrote in one of the most profound things ever posted on this site:

The Gospel is messy business. It gravitates to bad neighborhoods and discarded people. It climbs over fences and burrows under them to access the ruins where the powers that be have finished extracting what they desired and have moved on. It's tenderest and most profound work is done in deep secret in incomprehensible circumstances...

That is why there are some here who love the concept of being a Christian, but
deny the living Christ and deny the living Word. Instead they follow "another Jesus".
One they made that they like and who likes everything about them, and requires
nothing and will shower them with everlasting life and blessings for doing the things
on purpose that sent Him to the cross.

Perhaps. However, if you would engage people rather than mocking and condemning them, you might find a very different sort of belief.

Their Jesus is more like Confuscious or Buddha and the like. He is not resurrected.
Was just a man, is not God.

Again, perhaps. However, I have found that many people have deep and complex thoughts about Jesus of Nazareth and the Logos of God. Things are not quite as binary as you propose.

And some here live just to taunt those
who speak the Holy Word with boldness, and they shall have their reward as well.

Yes, and that is sad. Might I suggest we do something to better the tone of the discourse rather than sink to their level?

For they are spiritual adulterers and adulteresses according to the Word and as
such make themselves enemies of God's (James 4:4) encouraging
people to remain in bondage in their condemned state. See John 3:17-19

And Jesus of Nazareth, the very Word of God, loves them very, very much.

For they cannot sleep unless they have caused trouble or vexation; their sleep is taken away unless they have caused someone to fall. For they eat the bread of wickedness and drink the wine of violence. But the path of the [uncompromisingly] just and righteous is like the light of dawn, that shines more and more (brighter and clearer) until [it reaches its full strength and glory in] the perfect day [to be prepared]. The way of the wicked is like deep darkness; they do not know over what they stumble.
Proverbs 4:15-18 Amplified

Proverbs has a lot to say about what is righteousness; as do the "minor" prophets. Some pretty surprising stuff.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

It's so easy to argue yourself out of Jesus' very simple commands, isn't it?