What "rights" do homosexuals "deserve" to have -- WITH POLL!!

[Catholicon]

Well God MADE gay people gay, so your argument doesn't work.

If "orientation" was an sin in the eyes of God, He
a) would have spoken of gay/bi and transgender marriage in a negative light
and
b) wouldn't have made people gay

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Actually, it is just the opposite. We are to preach the evangel ("Good Message" or "Good News") to the lost, showing them that not only can the Law not save anyone, but by the Law we are all deserving of nothing other than death, but that Jesus provides the answer, and that through His Grace.

But, while Christians are certainly to encourage one another and together we are to study the scriptures and grow in grace and learning, we are specifically commanded not to judge one another.

Telling those who refuse to repent to stop sinning will only make people mad. We're told to hold each other accountable though, right? We're told in scripture how to deal with sin in the church. We hold brethren and the lost to different standards.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Well God MADE gay people gay, so your argument doesn't work.

If "orientation" was an sin in the eyes of God, He
a) would have spoken of gay/bi and transgender marriage in a negative light
and
b) wouldn't have made people gay

It's not mentioned in any light, all we get is universal condemnation of same sex sex.

 

[BAFRIEND]

They have laws now that allow the state to indefinitely lock up child molestors and other sexual offenders. The Groene family was wiped out in Colorado after the state of Washington ignored the advice to keep Duncan locked up indefinitely.

If we can get gay sex to be outlawed again (as it is in the Bible)- there is no reason why they can't throw away the key on the perpetual offenders.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Well God MADE gay people gay, so your argument doesn't work.

If "orientation" was an sin in the eyes of God, He
a) would have spoken of gay/bi and transgender marriage in a negative light
and
b) wouldn't have made people gay

God makes people- but I don't blame God when babys are born without brains or arms and I also do not blame God when someone has a confused sexual orientation.

God is not the reason why people lie and He is also not to blame for someone choosing to lead an objectively immoral sexual lifestyle.

 

[BAFRIEND]

a) would have spoken of gay/bi and transgender marriage in a negative light
and

Jesus and the OT only speak of marriage between a man and a woman and Jesus makes clear the legality over marriage when he speaks on divorce.

Also, for the one millionth time:

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders … (1Cor 6:9)

 

[AetheriusLamia]

I actually gave a ten minute speech advocating gay marriage in my COMM-2200-H01 course....

 

[Floatingaxe]

I have no agenda. I am a conservative Christian, and when I was saved, I chose to accept that the Scriptures, in their original manuscripts, were God-breathed, and profitable for for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16)

I believe in reading the scriptures naturally. This means treating them as literally as possible, but recognizing poetic forms (such as similies and metaphors). Whenever there is any question about the intent of a verse, I ask how the original readers would have understood it. I also pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit. Sometimes, in order to understand how the original readers would have understood a passage, it is necessary to examine other works written in the same culture and at the same time, or to read commentaries written as close in time to the scripture as possible, or to examine the archeological evidence.

I believed, as I had been taught, that the Bible condemns homosexuality, right up until I started studying what the Bible actually says, rather than what other people told me it said. It was the Bible, and the Holy Spirit that convinced me that while a certain action was forbidden to the Jews, and while fornication, adultery, and incest are wrong whether the other person is male or female, the Bible is deliberately silent on all private physical relations within a marriage covenant, and that covenants between God's people are blessed even when they are the same gender.

Where in your Holy Scriptures did my Holy God declare Himself a LIAR?

He never once declared homosexuality as good, nor acceptable...because it is fornication, and committed OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE.

Homosexual "Christians" make an unholy god in their own image.

 

[Catholicon]

"Objectively"?

Maybe you should find a dictionary. There's NOTHING "objective" about bigotry.

 

[Catholicon]

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders … (1Cor 6:9)

OFFENDERS. NOT people in a loving committed relationship.

 

[BAFRIEND]

"Objectively"?

Maybe you should find a dictionary. There's NOTHING "objective" about bigotry.

I do not agree with sin nor do I choose to agree with lifestyles that perpetualy break the Lord's commandments.

Paul warned us about the sexually immoral and:

As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer (1 Tim 1-3)

If that makes me a biggot then I am a bigot because God commands it.

 

[Catholicon]

I do not agree with sin nor do I choose to agree with lifestyles that perpetualy break the Lord's commandments.

Which of the 10 Commandments would that be, then?

 

[BAFRIEND]

OFFENDERS. NOT people in a loving committed relationship.

How about a loving commited sexual relationship between a 10 year old boy and a 50 year old man ?

You would have to agree that in that case it would be wrong (I hope).

So, you would also have to acknowledge that not every commited relationship has license from God or moral society.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Which of the 10 Commandments would that be, then?

Adultery.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Howcome you changed what I said?
I know we are in agreement. I am just trying to figure out why
you quoted part of what I said and then changed a part of it.
I kept looking at it, trying, but I still couldn't figure it out. lol

What I said was:

If "orientation" was an option in the eyes of God, He
a) would have spoken of gay/bi and transgender marriage in a positive light
and
b) would have given us alternative bodies to use as we wish

The Lord NEVER spoke of anything outside a man and a woman
in marriage in a positive light. EVER. OT or NT

So we are agreed!

Jesus and the OT only speak of marriage between a man and a woman and Jesus makes clear the legality over marriage when he speaks on divorce.

Also, for the one millionth time:

 

[Catholicon]

2. The right to exist but homosexuality should be criminalized & gays should be imprisoned for life.

BAFRIEND

Either that's a poe or you seriously need counselling...

 

[Floatingaxe]

OFFENDERS. NOT people in a loving committed relationship.

"Loving", "committed" are still offensive to God. When you defy the God who made you, you cannot say you love Him and the idol of homosexuality as well. You cannot serve two masters.

He asks you to give up your sin--not embrace it.You must choose: Jesus Christ or homosexuality.

Those who choose homosexuality deny God.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Actually that is not true from a Biblical standpoint.
Those who claim to be Christians are subject to exhortation
of other saints within the body.

See off the top of my head, 1 Corinthians chapter 5
as well as 2 Timothy 3:16-17, 2 Timothy 4:3-5,
James 5:19-20, Jude 1:20-22 just to name a few.

We are indeed told to 'go and sin no more'. This is good and honourable behaviour.

We are not, however, told to 'go and tell other people to sin no more'. This is neither good nor honourable behaviour.

 

[BAFRIEND]

We are not, however, told to 'go and tell other people to sin no more'. This is neither good nor honourable behaviour.

As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer (1 Tim 1-3)

Have you ever even read the Bible ?

 

[BAFRIEND]

Howcome you changed what I said?
I know we are in agreement. I am just trying to figure out why
you quoted part of what I said and then changed a part of it.
I kept looking at it, trying, but I still couldn't figure it out. lol

What I said was:

If "orientation" was an option in the eyes of God, He
a) would have spoken of gay/bi and transgender marriage in a positive light
and
b) would have given us alternative bodies to use as we wish

The Lord NEVER spoke of anything outside a man and a woman
in marriage in a positive light. EVER. OT or NT

So we are agreed!

I was skimming and thought you were one of them.

sorry.