What Power Does Satan Have?

[Ben12]

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Agreed.



Again agreed, but no one is an exception to the carrier rule. All have sin, all have sinned, sin is of the devil. In that understanding I have no use, requirement or rule to count sins against mankind and that Truth of Christ opens the door to allow me to LOVE all of my fellow man and to understand "who/what" I should not LOVE.

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I could write extensively about this subject. The system of the anti-Christ is the "real" control system pertaining to sin, it's works, it's actions. In the N.T. book of Rev. it's called Mystery Babylon which does make TRADE with the souls of mankind. The harlot of that system is upon the PEOPLE...and clearly stated as being there, ON PEOPLE.

We can look at our physical world and it's systems, and yes, we will see the "produce" in part of that system, but we really don't see the reality of Mystery Babylon and it's occupants BECAUSE it is an ANTI-SPIRITUAL working and God has in part hidden that world and that worlds workings...and that world is ONLY revealed in and by His Words...and this is what makes the REVEALINGS of Christ both VERY VERY precious, special and UNIQUE.

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BINGO! There is "their father" of THAT world, THE DEVIL/SATAN/THE GREAT DRAGON and he has "children," his minions, DEVILs, anti-spiritual JezaBEL, etc. ect.

ANY person who does NOT SEE THIS remains A CAPTIVE, BLINDED by that system. Those who DO see this SEPARATE both themselves and their fellow man FROM being the "same as" THAT SYSTEM and it's OCCUPANTS. You canNOT make a good tree into a bad tree. You canNOT make the bad tree yield FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. That system IS what is IS and it will not change until God destroys it. His Light of REVEALING does however certainly SHINE upon that world AND when His Light SHINES THERE, that world openly rebels before our eyes. The real time operation of this world can be seen RIGHT HERE today on this and any other website where GOD'S WORDS are handled BECAUSE 'those entities' are aroused an incensed to anger by HIS WORDS. They "automatically" RESIST! That "resistance" transpires IN mankind.



Ben, I want to be very clear here. WhenEVER we do not DIVIDE mankind (a person) from the PERSONAGE of the anti-Christ spirit(s,) that is a functioning of the spirit of ERROR operating IN that person FROM and CAUSED BY the PERSONAGE of the anti-Christ that is WITH THEM, but is NOT them...

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Ben, when we see the vast majority of our supposed BROTHERS and SISTERS supposedly IN CHRIST, who then BLAME, ACCUSE AND CONDEMN our fellow mankind to be burned alive forever in fire (or pick your favorite form of the eternal damnation of mankind) IS THAT NOT NOT NOT A WORKING OF THE ANTI-CHRIST AND IT'S SYSTEM???

Of course it is, beyond any doubt! The GREAT FALLING AWAY has already transpired and CONTINUES to transpire into our entire realm.

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Again Ben, to find understandings here we MUST DE-LINK our fellow man FROM those entities. IF you do not SEPARATE in that way, you will FALL VICTIM. Yet we also must understand and acknowledge that THOSE ENTITIES are in fact with and within us ALL..

A tough gig. I know. And I know this on a DAILY basis, even in myself.

Another note I will put here for you. God's Word was ALWAYS intended both to AROUSE and to EMPOWER that world and it's occupants until SIN becomes UTTERLY SINFUL in preparation for FINAL JUDGMENT DAY...WHICH DAY WILL AND IS ASSUREDLY COMING...upon this earth.

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Ben, I don't know if you have constructed this set of text here, but it is an exceptionally good view and construct from scriptures, EXCEPT when it starts to BLUR THE LINES between the CAPTIVES and the CAPTORS...

I prefer my Word to make a VERY CLEAN CUT of division between MANKIND and THOSE ENTITIES that are with and within us all. When that CUT does not transpire, then I know that writing remains IN PART and IN DARKNESS...because it will FALSELY blame people, my fellow man, and it will begin to MASK the others...and I see this in that last stretch...where "men" or "people" are not divided from that working.

It is our obligation as believers to SEPARATE and DIVIDE as Jesus did if we want and are LED by His Words to FOLLOW HIM. He will take us to DIVISION and He will FIGHT against HIS ENEMIES and will be FOR mankind...His offspring...every single time....for and in behalf of EVERY SINGLE CAPTIVE, you and I inclusive and even foremost. He fights "especially for" BELIEVERS.



Any "systematic religion of Christianity" that does NOT acknowledge and separate the working of the anti-Christ spirit is and remains BLINDED AND CAPTURED BY THAT SAME SYSTEM. Anyone who does not acknowledge and DIVIDE that system and it's occupants from my fellow man IS MY ENEMY and I will NOT camp in my enemies camp.

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Ben, we were NEVER promised a removal of the presence of indwelling sin. Do not be fooled by anyone promising a REMOVAL of that which has not been promised. In fact, you are assured by His Word to be placed in the MIDST of this battle, and we will not be removed FROM it...

You have put up a generally good treatise here in any case, save for a COUPLE OF SPOTS...and therein we continue to RUB...to get our shining.

enjoy!

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Amen

 

[Ben12]

Other people's responses do not excuse your own. You are responsible to Christ. Your attitude has been less than becoming . . . and you have yet to humble yourself and display the leading of the Spirit. Read Proverbs about the difference between how a wise man and a fool respond to rebuke and correction.

You know if I will humble my self it is not because you demand it. This is a Forum, a debate. If you are offended, then maybe it touched home. The day I become perfect, and without excuse; you will be the first to know. I said what I said for a reason.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

You know if I will humble my self it is not because you demand it. This is a Forum, a debate. If you are offended, then maybe it touched home. The day I become perfect, and without excuse; you will be the first to know. I said what I said for a reason.

You bashed your brothers . . . and Jesus commands your humility. Your lack of ability to recieve correction actually speaks deeply of your relationship with Christ.

What touched me is, once again, the lack of spiritual maturity by yet another person who calls themself a "christian" . . .

You are right, none of us will be perfected . . . but repentance is a lifestyle and Jesus COMMANDS you to be radical with sin and NOT make excuses. Suit yourself . . .

 

[Ben12]

You bashed your brothers . . . and Jesus commands your humility. Your lack of ability to recieve correction actually speaks deeply of your relationship with Christ.

What touched me is, once again, the lack of spiritual maturity by yet another person who calls themself a "christian" . . .

You are right, none of us will be perfected . . . but repentance is a lifestyle and Jesus COMMANDS you to be radical with sin and NOT make excuses. Suit yourself . . .

You cannot get past a little negative; you you speak of maturity? God wants overcomers..

In His great victory over the power of Satan He was a sign that pointed unerringly to another company of overcoming sons. In all the churches of Revelation there were two classes of people — those who were overcomers and those who were not. It is to the overcomers that the glorious promises are given, for they follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth, have partaken of His mind and of His will, and thus are equipped to reign in His kingdom.

Thus to them it is said: "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev. 2:7. "He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." Rev. 2:11. "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it." Rev. 2:17. "He that overcometh and keepeth My works to the end, to him will I give/wnw over the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessel of the potter shall they be broken to shivers even as I received of My Father, and I will give him the morning star." Rev. 2:26-28. "He that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God and he shall go no more out and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God which cometh down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my new name." Rev. 3:12, 13. "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne even as I overcame and am set down with My Father in His throne." Rev. 3:21. "He that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

You cannot get past a little negative; you you speak of maturity? God wants overcomers..

In His great victory over the power of Satan He was a sign that pointed unerringly to another company of overcoming sons. In all the churches of Revelation there were two classes of people — those who were overcomers and those who were not. It is to the overcomers that the glorious promises are given, for they follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth, have partaken of His mind and of His will, and thus are equipped to reign in His kingdom.

Thus to them it is said: "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev. 2:7. "He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." Rev. 2:11. "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it." Rev. 2:17. "He that overcometh and keepeth My works to the end, to him will I give/wnw over the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessel of the potter shall they be broken to shivers even as I received of My Father, and I will give him the morning star." Rev. 2:26-28. "He that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God and he shall go no more out and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God which cometh down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my new name." Rev. 3:12, 13. "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne even as I overcame and am set down with My Father in His throne." Rev. 3:21. "He that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

A little negative . . . YOU ARE CALLING BROTHERS IN CHRIST PHARISEES . . . of whom CHRIST REBUKED THE STRONGEST AS REPROBATES!

If you cannot see your error then you are even worse than I thought. And BTW you can be as negative as your wicked heart will be . . . AS LONG AS THERE IS REPENTANCE. But you have shown none.

I am aghast at your attempts to justify and dignify your sin . . . and how do you think sinners overcome? REPENTANCE. Nice try though . . .

 

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Satan blames and accuses our fellow man, and believers in Christ in particular...

An excellent demonstration at the tail end of this thread for which I blame none of mankind no matter what they may think they hear.

Someday we may be moved to see the real culprits behind all of these matters and find out IT WASN'T US but was "with us."

enjoy!

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[Mathetes the kerux]

Satan blames and accuses our fellow man, and believers in Christ in particular...

An excellent demonstration at the tail end of this thread for which I blame none of mankind no matter what they may think they hear.

Someday we may be moved to see the real culprits behind all of these matters and find out IT WASN'T US but was "with us."

enjoy!

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Truly we do NOT wrestle with flesh and blood . . . yet the evil of the human heart has much to do with sin also.

The three fronted war of the World, Flesh and the Enemy indeed.

 

[k2svpete]

Satan blames and accuses our fellow man, and believers in Christ in particular...

An excellent demonstration at the tail end of this thread for which I blame none of mankind no matter what they may think they hear.

Someday we may be moved to see the real culprits behind all of these matters and find out IT WASN'T US but was "with us."

enjoy!

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If it wasn't us then how can we be held responsible for our actions, thoughts & words? God is just and would not hold us responsible if we weren't would he?

 

[squint]

If it wasn't us then how can we be held responsible for our actions, thoughts & words? God is just and would not hold us responsible if we weren't would he?

When was the last time you eradicated sin via responsibility? We were never promised sinless flesh or mind and your presentations merely make God's children into anti-christ spirits...which action in and of itself speaks for what compels you.

Yes, there is a WAR...His Love is our Victor over the powers of darkness who are NOT US...

 

[Ben12]

If it wasn't us then how can we be held responsible for our actions, thoughts & words? God is just and would not hold us responsible if we weren't would he?

Is that not what Jesus did on the cross; does He need to die a second time for our sins. His blood is greater then all the sin of Adam..

 

[k2svpete]

When was the last time you eradicated sin via responsibility? We were never promised sinless flesh or mind and your presentations merely make God's children into anti-christ spirits...which action in and of itself speaks for what compels you.

Yes, there is a WAR...His Love is our Victor over the powers of darkness who are NOT US...

Exactly, we were not promised that we would be sinless as soon as we accepted Christ. We still have our imperfect, carnal mind and corruptable bodies. This does not abrogate us of the responsibility to do our best to put off the 'old self' and emulate Christ.

THAT is what my point is. We cannot point the finger at anyone else for OUR shortcomings.

 

[k2svpete]

Is that not what Jesus did on the cross; does He need to die a second time for our sins. His blood is greater then all the sin of Adam..

No, no, Christ died once for all mankind. The opint I am making as above is that we are still responsible for our actions. If we weren't, God would not judge us.

When it comes time to stand at the judgement seat and our sins are counted, those in Christ will have Him by our side where He can be our advocate, our redeemer and having paid the price for us, we can be justified. (Be that actual or metaphorical)

 

[squint]

Exactly, we were not promised that we would be sinless as soon as we accepted Christ. We still have our imperfect, carnal mind and corruptable bodies. This does not abrogate us of the responsibility to do our best to put off the 'old self' and emulate Christ.

THAT is what my point is. We cannot point the finger at anyone else for OUR shortcomings.

Pointed out to your prior that "your practice" is no different than any other flavor of "religion." You simply blame and accuse mankind for their own "shortcomings" or "sins."

IF you were a believer you'd kinda have to ask yourself, why did God make such soiled offspring? And if He did so, why would we expect to be able to change what God has wrought? Or even more, IF He is our Father, and born such fouled children, then that also becomes an inevitable and logical REFLECTION OF HIM.

Even in the metal health field they try to teach "disassociation." You cannot "disassociate yourself" from what you ARE. That working is mere FALSE DENIAL.

Christianity in it's truest sense DOES NOT COUNT SINS against mankind, as you are led to do. No amount of "ability" will CHANGE THE FACT that Word teaches the presence of INDWELLING SIN.

We can be assured however that God LOVES us all, NOT inspite of our indwelling sins, as if we are some substandard making of Him, but because we are GOD'S CHILDREN...AND AS SUCH we are already PERFECT even though presently IMMERSED in pain, suffering and death.

We in our truest sense ARE NOT THE SAME AS those things, and there we find our DIVISION and our VICTORY by His "TRUTHFUL" conveyances whether we "get it or not."

Word teaches plainly and openly that mankind is NOT the same as the sin that indwells them, no matter how much you are led to SMEAR your fellow man, and to tell the slave they are MERE SLAVES of THEMSELVES. That presentation is "worldly wisdom" and a conveyance that you can buy from any peddler of the "make yourself better" school.

enjoy!

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[k2svpete]

Which is oc course why you still cannot present any scripture to back your arguments up.

You completely miss the mark and read/read into things only what YOU want to. It really is disappointing.

Man was created with free will, simple. Adam and Eve chose to disobey the one rule that God had created, thereby creating sin for without law there is not sin. So how can being responsible for your actions possibly be construed as blaming others for your problems?

Who is counting sins? I've never suggested that we're keeping tally and attemp to create some sort of pecking order. Another fabrication of yours.

Christianity acknowledges that WE are ALL sinners and because of this sin are seperated from God. Only through Jesus Christ are we sanctified and made holy and acceptable unto God. No blame-storming, just accepting that WE are the sinners and salvation is a PERSONAL journey and responsibility.

 

[Ben12]

Which is oc course why you still cannot present any scripture to back your arguments up.

You completely miss the mark and read/read into things only what YOU want to. It really is disappointing.

Man was created with free will, simple. Adam and Eve chose to disobey the one rule that God had created, thereby creating sin for without law there is not sin. So how can being responsible for your actions possibly be construed as blaming others for your problems?

Who is counting sins? I've never suggested that we're keeping tally and attemp to create some sort of pecking order. Another fabrication of yours.

Christianity acknowledges that WE are ALL sinners and because of this sin are seperated from God. Only through Jesus Christ are we sanctified and made holy and acceptable unto God. No blame-storming, just accepting that WE are the sinners and salvation is a PERSONAL journey and responsibility.

Talk about not backing it with scripture? Freewill?????​

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Romans 3:11 ​

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. ​

God told Adam; if you eat of this tree; you will die; so Adam died (spiritually). Only though death can that be turned around; the death of Jesus on the cross; as well as the death to self; which is the second death or death to death. God wanted Adam to sin; so that God’s people will be changed. If Adam was just a perfect spiritual being with no defects; He would have just like many you disagree with ; a puppet/robot. God desires obedience more then sacrifice; this takes a process of (SPIRITUAL) growth.

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It was God’s choose Adam to sin because God has a greater plan. If God did not ordain Adam and Eves sin; then He is not all knowing. Yes we have a free will; but not one verse in the Bible declares this when it comes to salvation. God draws us or if you dig a little harder He drags us; there is NO FREE WILL when you are being dragged. ​

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John 6:44​

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws​

(drag Greek) him, and I will raise him up at the last day​

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1670 helkuo (hel-koo'-o); drag ​

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Jeremiah 18:2​

Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words. 3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. 4 And the vessel that he made ofclay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.​

The Children of Israel could of taken 9 days to cross the wilderness. BUT No God led them for forty years. Now we are walking in this wilderness of life for the same reason:

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Deut 8:1-2 ​

All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers. 2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments. (KJV)​

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Which is oc course why you still cannot present any scripture to back your arguments up.

You still have quite a pile up of simple measures of common sense from our last exchange. Whenever I "exchange views" with people, I presume in their behalf that they do not need the citings because they should know them by heart.

For example, when Satan spoke through Peter, was Peter SATAN? You should know which scripture I reference.

You completely miss the mark and read/read into things only what YOU want to. It really is disappointing.

Making my fellow man into Satan just ain't my bag...This also has been presented to you prior. IF All mankind are presented in scriptures as being God's offspring DID God then foster SATAN as offspring? Is God flawed by having born SATAN? You again should not need the scripture citing...it is Acts 17:23-29

Man was created with free will, simple.

Au contraire again. Men's will's are surely NOT as "free as" God's Will for example, so it is rather disengenuous to call a will that is less than THAT free as free. A "lesser will" is not a free will. God also works in mankinds will showing again that man's will is TAMPERED WITH at least by God since you do not believe there is a power of EVIL INFLUENCES other than your fellow man.

Adam and Eve chose to disobey the one rule that God had created,

Besides the fact that you reek with blame, accusations and condemnation toward Adam, you might also consider that Adam was SUBJECT TO deception. Adam was SUBJECTED TO DEATH...Adam's fate did not hinge on a mere "decision" nor was God's Intention for His son Adam to leave him bound in a wet pile of dust.

thereby creating sin for without law there is not sin.

Sin "entered" by that one man (Romans 5:12) showing that sin is an action APART FROM Adam's creating it with his decisions. God APPLIED The Law that the OFFENCE would ABOUND...(Romans 5:20) and that SIN would become UTTERLY SINFUL (Romans 7:13) Paul did not say he deceived HIMSELF. He said that SIN deceived him. He said that SIN sprang to arousal by THE LAW...just as it did WITH ADAM...(Romans 7:9)

There was also an EXTERNAL FULCRUM of deception, unless of course you would also like to make Adam the SAME AS the serpent which deceived him. All the free will in the world can not eradicate the presence of INDWELLING SIN.

You cannot "get rid of SIN's indwelling presence by making "good decisions."

So how can being responsible for your actions possibly be construed as blaming others for your problems?

No one said that there is not a "battle." The sin each of us carry in our flesh and minds is NO LONGER I just as it was for Paul in Romans 7:17-21 and Paul in that presentation was not the SAME AS the EVIL that was present with him whenever he desired to do good. Neither was Paul the SAME AS the messenger of Satan that he stated was put upon himself to buffet his flesh. You have addressed NONE of these observations from our prior discussion.

Who is counting sins?

You just SMEARED ADAM, God's son, for making a BAD CHOICE and CAUSING his own SIN. God apparently didn't make Adam with a "good enough" will to NOT SIN eh?

And using that same logic, Jesus who was without SIN was that merely by making GOOD DECISIONS?

I've never suggested that we're keeping tally and attemp to create some sort of pecking order. Another fabrication of yours.

Since you have NO OTHER FULCRUM for SIN and it's CAUSE simple logic dictates that you BLAME AND ACCUSE only your fellow man FOR SINS.

Christianity acknowledges that WE are ALL sinners and because of this sin are seperated from God.

You really need to deal with Paul's statements about his own indwelling sin, which Paul termed NO LONGER I. So follow the little bouncing logic ball here: IF the sin indwelling Paul was NO LONGER I from the Romans citing above, THEN who was his sin indwelling him OF?

John the Apostle tells us that whoever commits sin is OF THE DEVIL. (1 John 3:9) So again, using your logic construct, IF Paul sinned, which we know Paul did, THEN WAS PAUL THE DEVIL? IF Paul had EVIL present with him whenever he desired to do good, THEN WAS PAUL EVIL?

All of the above were what you left behind in our last exchange, and of course you know why. Because your form of understandings DICTATE that MANKIND are THE DEVIL and SATAN...no matter how you try to soft soap the terms down to mere "resistance." Instead of "resistance" just put in the term SATAN and THE DEVIL.

Only through Jesus Christ are we sanctified and made holy and acceptable unto God. No blame-storming,

We are not advised to eradicate judgment for SINS. Sin is and will remain utterly condemned by God and since you have no one else to place JUDGMENT upon for these matters of scripture, again your logic dictates that ONLY MANKIND can be blamed and accused (not EXcused) for SINS.

just accepting that WE are the sinners and salvation is a PERSONAL journey and responsibility.

All the personal responsibility and good decision making in the world will NEVER eradicate the presence of indwelling sin any more than holding a cork underwater will keep it there if your hand is removed.

enjoy!

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[armothe]

All the personal responsibility and good decision making in the world will NEVER eradicate the presence of indwelling sin any more than holding a cork underwater will keep it there if your hand is removed. squint

But if we abide by the Lord's commandments and follow much of the wisdom in God's Word we can dramatically limit the amount of sin in our lives.

-A

 

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But if we abide by the Lord's commandments and follow much of the wisdom in God's Word we can dramatically limit the amount of sin in our lives.

-A

Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.

Romans 13:10
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

It is Satan in the flesh and minds that "resists" God who IS LOVE.

 

[Ben12]

But if we abide by the Lord's commandments and follow much of the wisdom in God's Word we can dramatically limit the amount of sin in our lives.

-A

Our rightousness is as filthy rags; you are speaking of self rightousness. It is only thought the blood of Jesus that we are rightous.

A Hebrew Priest could not wear wool; why? because it causes sweat.

Why was cains offering not as good as his brothers Abel? One was from the sweat of the ground; the other was the sheding of blood.

 

[armothe]

Our rightousness is as filthy rags; you are speaking of self rightousness. It is only thought the blood of Jesus that we are rightous.

Following the Lord's commands is righteous. And in doing so - reduces the amount of sin which occurs in our lives. Are either of you saying these aren't righteous things?

-A