What must we do for the forgiveness of sins?

[Alithis]

Everyone is forgiven already on account of the death of Christ who suffered and died on behalf of all.

Well thats just flat out untrue .and the scriptures you posted did not even come close to supporting it. In fact they refuted it.

 

[~Anastasia~]

Forgiveness is available to all. Atonement has been made for all.

Some will accept it, some may reject it.

God isn't going to force it on anyone.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Well thats just flat out untrue .and the scriptures you posted did not even come close to supporting it. In fact they refuted it.

So Jesus only died for some people?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Will GOD justify those whose faith is not in HIS SON?

It is through faith in His Son that we are justified.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

It's what you just did in your prior post pointing out Paul's letters to a believing body and applying it to even those outside the body. Something Paul did not do

What do you think "God demonstrates His love in that while we were yet still sinners Christ died for us" means other than that Christ died not for the righteous but for the unrighteous; that God sent His Son to save an unfaithful, unbelieving, sinful world by taking unbelieving, sinful people and making them believing people justified by His grace?

Did Jesus die to save us, or did He die so we could perform the right actions and save ourselves?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[RaymondG]

-CryptoLutheran

Will GOD justify those whose faith is not in HIS SON?[/QUOTE]


What did Man have to do to reap the benefits of Adam's Actions? Do we have to believe that Adam did what He did before we benefit from his action? What if we stop believing in Adam, are we no longer affected by His Action?

If none of those apply to Adam.....Why do you put such restrictions on the Work of Christ? Christ work only affects us if......what again? And Adams work affects us whether we want it to or not? Is this your view?

 

[Jeff4607]

So Jesus only died for some people?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jeff4607]

"Many are called, but few are chosen."

 

[RaymondG]

"Many are called, but few are chosen."

Are you one of the chosen? If so, how did you find this out?

 

[ViaCrucis]

"Many are called, but few are chosen."

So Christ died only for the elect; He chose some and passes over the others. Correct?

So God's love for the world doesn't mean that God loves everyone, or that God has called everyone to repentance, or the Scripture that says it is the desire of God that all be saved, and that God is the Savior of all men; it is only for the select few that Christ came, only for the select few that Christ died; and everyone else was born as nothing more than kindling--never ever having had hope of salvation because they were outside of the great commission.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jeff4607]

So Christ died only for the elect; He chose some and passes over the others. Correct?

So God's love for the world doesn't mean that God loves everyone, or that God has called everyone to repentance, or the Scripture that says it is the desire of God that all be saved, and that God is the Savior of all men; it is only for the select few that Christ came, only for the select few that Christ died; and everyone else was born as nothing more than kindling--never ever having had hope of salvation because they were outside of the great commission.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jeff4607]

Have you not read about the flood?

 

[Jeff4607]

Are you one of the chosen? If so, how did you find this out?

 

[Jeff4607]

I first believed. Then I answered the call to repentance. He forgave me. My heart changed. It was sensitive to Him. The scriptures then came alive.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Have you not read about the flood?

I'm quite familiar.

Which is also why there is a massive difference between the flood and what Christ did. The story of the flood is the story of God "starting over" by removing wicked people from the world and beginning anew with Noah and his family; which is also why if we pay attention to the narrative we'll notice that to that end the flood was a complete failure. And it is following this that we see how God is actually going to address wickedness in the world; by calling Abram out from Ur and to give him a promise to him and his wife, naming him Abraham because he would be the father of many nations--which he becomes through the Seed of Promise Jesus Christ.

The flood is a story about how wiping out everyone and starting over won't and can't solve the problem of sin--it is instead through Abraham and his progeny that God will bring about the redemption of the world, which He does and has done through His only-begotten Son, our Lord Jesus Christ.

The cross is not the flood; the cross is the opposite of the flood; it is God coming down to suffer at the hands of sinners in order to save those sinners.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jeff4607]

I'm quite familiar.

Which is also why there is a massive difference between the flood and what Christ did. The story of the flood is the story of God "starting over" by removing wicked people from the world and beginning anew with Noah and his family; which is also why if we pay attention to the narrative we'll notice that to that end the flood was a complete failure. And it is following this that we see how God is actually going to address wickedness in the world; by calling Abram out from Ur and to give him a promise to him and his wife, naming him Abraham because he would be the father of many nations--which he becomes through the Seed of Promise Jesus Christ.

The flood is a story about how wiping out everyone and starting over won't and can't solve the problem of sin--it is instead through Abraham and his progeny that God will bring about the redemption of the world, which He does and has done through His only-begotten Son, our Lord Jesus Christ.

The cross is not the flood; the cross is the opposite of the flood; it is God coming down to suffer at the hands of sinners in order to save those sinners.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jeff4607]

[ The Narrow and Wide Gates ] “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

And the angels "messengers" who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day

 

[Monk Brendan]

DP

 

[Monk Brendan]

The fact that you teach easy- believism, and you attempt to muddy the waters about forgiveness tells me that you may not have the spirit of God. Some of the saints have easily connected the dots and have answered correctly. It is not hard to understand from scripture that repentance is required for the forgiveness of sins. You are among many that have entered the sheep fold by means other the the front gate.

I DON'T preach easy believeism. I know from my own experience that becoming a Christian is hard WORK. It isn't just easy "believe and receive." I know from my own experience that I had to listen to the Gospel many times, then I had to sit in my own space in my mind, and try to sort out truth from error. Jerry Falwell and his ilk were in error. They preached a prosperity gospel that IS easy believeism. I do not. You do not know how many hours I have spent on my knees (or my face) in prayer, asking God to reveal His truth to me. You cannot know how many times I have searched the Scriptures. When I had it all figured out what I had to do to be "saved," I repented of all of the foolishness that I had done, of all the sins I had committed, and I asked God to forgive me. Then I spent many hours learning from the Bible and from the Holy Spirit (the One you say I don't have) what He wanted me to do. From there, for the almost 40 years as a Christian (I'm 65 now), I have listened to God, and tried, in my own faltering way to do what He has asked me to do.

I spent a year in Alaska as a missionary to the Soviets. I even helped lead a former head of the KGB to Christ. I have spent many hours as a leader in a multi-national evangelism program. I have done all I can. Now I am spending the rest of my days as a monk, with prayer as my main WORK.

You don't get to sit there in your non-denominational comfy chair and judge my walk with Christ. You don't know me at all. So don't you dare try to judge how I live for Jesus!

So, what have I said that would even begin to make you believe that I am a false shepherd?

 

[Monk Brendan]

Paul made many mistakes due to his pre-conversion life as a hater of Christianity.
Mostly, he only changed who he hated.

That is not a good representation. Study Acts a little better.