What is "true" Islam?

[ebia]

As I said, if you want to investigate every minutiae of the fact, do your own research.

Unlike you, when I know that someone has a habit of reporting the truth, I don't spend all my time trying to prove he is lying or finding fault with what he is saying.

And one thing I don't know is the meaning of the word repeting.

I didn't ask you to prove its untrue.
But unless you established its truth to a reasonable level of reliablility, and understood it's meaning, then you are gossiping.
What your headline means is not minutiae, it's basic,

"I don't want to do any work" is not an excuse for gossiping.

And if you present a claim then the onus is on you to back it up.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

As I said, if you want to investigate every minutiae of the fact, do your own research.

OK, done that. I can confidently state (and I can back this up) that Christians are not the most persecuted people on earth.

Unlike you, when I know that someone has a habit of reporting the truth, I don't spend all my time trying to prove he is lying or finding fault with what he is saying.

From your posts in this thread, I'd be surprised if you spent time investigating anything. How do you know it's the truth?

And one thing I don't know is the meaning of the word repeting.

Seriously, your grammar is less than perfect. Don't go there, I'd have a field day with you.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

You have some weird and wonderful claims. The numbers of christians on the planet have no bearing on the amount of persecution they suffer.

On the contrary, the number of Christians has a huge bearing on the amount of persecution they suffer. It's basic, school level statistics.

Whether there are 2 million christians or 2 billion, the amount of suffering they experience can be the same. In other words, they get killed, tortured, beheaded, raped, hacked to death, made homeless etc. etc.

How many times have you or anyone in your congregation been "killed, tortured, beheaded, raped, hacked to death, made homeless etc"?

 

[Danny777]

OK, done that. I can confidently state (and I can back this up) that Christians are not the most persecuted people on earth.

Doesn't this all depend on your definition of what constitutes 'persecution', who you define as a 'Christian' and what time period you use?

In any case, I'd be interested in you backing up your assertion...

 

[ebia]

How many times have you or anyone in your congregation been "killed, tortured, beheaded, raped, hacked to death, made homeless etc"?

FWIW, there are some in mine that likely have, and most in a previous congregation that were precisely because they had run away from that stuff.

But mostly by Buddhists, not Muslims.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Doesn't this all depend on your definition of what constitutes 'persecution', who you define as a 'Christian' and what time period you use?

In any case, I'd be interested in you backing up your assertion...

You're getting to the nub of it. My point, really, is that Episaw has no idea what definitions have been used in the research he has(n't) read, yet he still claims that he knows his assertions are true. I've asked him to support his claim, Ebia has also asked. There has been no response. Perhaps you could ask him, too?

I'm happy to provide my evidence once Episaw has presented his. If I present mine first we all know where that will lead. It's way past time for Episaw to put up or shut up.

 

[Episaw]

Seriously, your grammar is less than perfect. Don't go there, I'd have a field day with you.

And the meaning of the word repeting is......

 

[Episaw]

2. Pakistan's Largest Attack on Christians Claims 82 Lives
Read more at It Was Terrifying Being a Christian in 2013 - CP Lists Just a Handful of the Most Horrific Persecution Stories of the Year

3. Islamists Torch, Destroy and Vandalize over 70 Christian Churches and Institutions
Read more at It Was Terrifying Being a Christian in 2013 - CP Lists Just a Handful of the Most Horrific Persecution Stories of the Year

4. Syria's Civil War and Rebels Increasingly Threaten and Target Christians
Read more at It Was Terrifying Being a Christian in 2013 - CP Lists Just a Handful of the Most Horrific Persecution Stories of the Year

Pastor Saeed Abedini's Imprisonment in Iran - One Among Many
Read more at It Was Terrifying Being a Christian in 2013 - CP Lists Just a Handful of the Most Horrific Persecution Stories of the Year

 

[ebia]

2. Pakistan's Largest Attack on Christians Claims 82 Lives
Read more at It Was Terrifying Being a Christian in 2013 - CP Lists Just a Handful of the Most Horrific Persecution Stories of the Year

3. Islamists Torch, Destroy and Vandalize over 70 Christian Churches and Institutions
Read more at It Was Terrifying Being a Christian in 2013 - CP Lists Just a Handful of the Most Horrific Persecution Stories of the Year

4. Syria's Civil War and Rebels Increasingly Threaten and Target Christians
Read more at It Was Terrifying Being a Christian in 2013 - CP Lists Just a Handful of the Most Horrific Persecution Stories of the Year

Pastor Saeed Abedini's Imprisonment in Iran - One Among Many
Read more at It Was Terrifying Being a Christian in 2013 - CP Lists Just a Handful of the Most Horrific Persecution Stories of the Year

How about supplying what you have been asked for:
An explanation of what "the most persecuted" means
Evidence that, by that measure, Christianity is the most persecuted.

Stop waffling and either back up your assertion or withdraw it.

 

[King Mob]

I never said it was. I said that the latest report is that christians are the most persecuted faith on earth. if you are so concerned about every minutiae of the fact, then go research it and find out for yourself.

What latest report?

 

[Episaw]

A lawyer for the state of Punjab, Pakistan has described the murder of a Christian couple by a mob of at least 500 to 600 as "brutal and barbaric." The post-mortem report on their twin deaths (first revealed in the Supreme Court on Dec. 15) showed that both husband and wife were still alive when they were thrown into the brick kiln where they both worked, and that they burned to death.

 

[Episaw]

Four of every five acts of religious discrimination in the world today are directed against Christians, according to the Germany-based International Society for Human Rights. The secular US think tank the Pew Forum says Christians face harassment or oppression in 139 nations, nearly three-quarters of all the countries on earth.

It is not just Muslims, who themselves often face horrendous persecution, who attack Christians. In the Indian state of Orissa, Hindu nationalists attacked Christians in a vicious pogrom in 2008, killing 500, injuring thousands with machetes, and leaving 50,000 homeless. A nun was raped and paraded naked through the streets, watched by police who arrested no one.

In Burma, Bhutan, Nepal and Sri Lanka, Buddhist militants have murdered Christians, Muslims and Hindus. In 2010 the Burmese military attacked Christian minorities from helicopters, reportedly killing thousands.

 

[ebia]

At least we've moved on from portraying it as though muslims are responsible for it all.

But we are still stuck on raw figures.

Which is persecuted more:
A religion of 1,000,000 where 10% are persecuted
Or
A religion of 1,000 where 100% are persecuted.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I never said it was. I said that the latest report is that christians are the most persecuted faith on earth. if you are so concerned about every minutiae of the fact, then go research it and find out for yourself.

Hold your horses there! You just shifted those goalposts again. Your claim is that Christians are the most persecuted people on earth, not the most persecuted faith on earth.

Stump up the evidence or retract the assertion.

 

[Danny777]

Hold your horses there! You just shifted those goalposts again. Your claim is that Christians are the most persecuted people on earth, not the most persecuted faith on earth.

Stump up the evidence or retract the assertion.

Meanwhile, could you provide the evidence you have that the Christian's are not the most persecuted group as both you and Episaw have made equally confident assertions. This will naturally depend on your definition of 'persecution' and 'Christian'...

 

[ianb321red]

Hold your horses there! You just shifted those goalposts again. Your claim is that Christians are the most persecuted people on earth, not the most persecuted faith on earth.

Stump up the evidence or retract the assertion.

3 seconds worth of desk research finds:

"Restrictions, harassment, and intimidation towards people who practice their religion increased in every major region of the world in 2012 except the Americas, with Christians the major target, says a new report by the Pew Research Center."

Religious Hostilities Reach Six-Year High | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project

Article - Christians: The world's most persecuted people - Comment - Voices - The Independent

Also, German Chancellor Angela Merkel declared that Christianity is "the most persecuted religion in the world."

The Most Persecuted Religion in the World | Kelly James Clark

7 Reasons Christians is the Most Persecuted in the World : IgnitumToday

 

[King Mob]

3 seconds worth of desk research finds:

"Restrictions, harassment, and intimidation towards people who practice their religion increased in every major region of the world in 2012 except the Americas, with Christians the major target, says a new report by the Pew Research Center."

Religious Hostilities Reach Six-Year High | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project

Article - Christians: The world's most persecuted people - Comment - Voices - The Independent

Also, German Chancellor Angela Merkel declared that Christianity is "the most persecuted religion in the world."

The Most Persecuted Religion in the World[bless and do not curse]|[bless and do not curse]Kelly James Clark

7 Reasons Christians is the Most Persecuted in the World : IgnitumToday

If this is evidential of Christian persecution, who's heritage would you put it down to?

 

[theFijian]

And the meaning of the word repeting is......

To be honest, banging on about a typo doesn't say much about the substance of your argument

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Meanwhile, could you provide the evidence you have that the Christian's are not the most persecuted group as both you and Episaw have made equally confident assertions. This will naturally depend on your definition of 'persecution' and 'Christian'...

I already told you when I would present my evidence. I note that you are chasing me but not Episaw. Why is that?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

3 seconds worth of desk research finds:

"Restrictions, harassment, and intimidation towards people who practice their religion increased in every major region of the world in 2012 except the Americas, with Christians the major target, says a new report by the Pew Research Center."

Religious Hostilities Reach Six-Year High | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project

Article - Christians: The world's most persecuted people - Comment - Voices - The Independent

Also, German Chancellor Angela Merkel declared that Christianity is "the most persecuted religion in the world."

The Most Persecuted Religion in the World[bless and do not curse]|[bless and do not curse]Kelly James Clark

7 Reasons Christians is the Most Persecuted in the World : IgnitumToday

So you've found evidence that Christianity may be the most persecuted religion. That's not Episaw's claim. Can you find evidence that Christians are the most persecuted people?