What is "true" Islam?

[ebia]

3 seconds worth of desk research finds:

"Restrictions, harassment, and intimidation towards people who practice their religion increased in every major region of the world in 2012 except the Americas, with Christians the major target, says a new report by the Pew Research Center."

Religious Hostilities Reach Six-Year High | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project

Did you read the report?

It looks at how religious persecution is getting worse globally.

It doesn't attempt to address the question of which religion cops the most.

 

[ebia]

3 seconds worth of desk research finds:
Article - Christians: The world's most persecuted people - Comment - Voices - The Independent

Seems to rely on the pew research, which doesn't say what it says it says, ano a report by International Society for Human Rights which isn't even mentioned on their website, so we have no idea what that actually says.

Also, German Chancellor Angela Merkel declared that Christianity is "the most persecuted religion in the world."

And?

The Most Persecuted Religion in the World[bless and do not curse]|[bless and do not curse]Kelly James Clark

Relies on the work of Rupert Short, which (when you read the small print) is anecdotal and relies on the Pew Research (which doesn't attempt to answer this question) for statistics.

7 Reasons Christians is the Most Persecuted in the World : IgnitumToday

Is a discussion of why christians are persecuted, not evidence that they are the most persecuted.

Maybe you should have spent more than 3 seconds on it. Like taking the time to read your evidence and see if it actually evidenced the claim being contested.

 

[Episaw]

To be honest, banging on about a typo doesn't say much about the substance of your argument

Thankyou for your opinion. Duly noted and rejected. As this is an open forum I can say what I like as long as it is not offensive. if you don't like it bu**er off.

 

[Episaw]

Iran’s continued mistreatment of its Christian minority was raised at a recent meeting of the United Nations Human Rights Council. Attieh Fard, a lawyer specialising in human rights, urged President Hassan Rouhani to make good on his promises to the United Nations in New York by releasing the 42 Christians known to be in jail and the 45 awaiting trial. Fard said these figures represent only known cases and that the number is likely to be much higher, but that many have remained silent due to threats by the government. In doing so, she said in her September. 24 report, the Iranian government had infringed its national and international legal obligations.

At least 300 Christians have been arrested in the past three years in Iran, with the most common charges being actions against public security and propaganda against the regime. Many of these Christians were arrested while taking part in “house churches” to worship and pray together. “In bringing about these charges against Christians, both the government and the judiciary have made an error of law and fact because Christian gatherings either at homes or churches are mainly formed for Christians to worship together and to read and study the Bible, not to change the regime, and they do not have a goal of any political activity. So these are wrong judgments,” said Fard.

Source: World Watch Monitor

 

[Episaw]

Many pastors in iran have been arrested, while even those released are often kept under a kind of house arrest, according to Fard. Rev. Robert Asseriyan, who was arrested earlier this year, is one such example. Since his release, Asseriyan has been prevented from speaking with any other Christians, she said. “Some church leaders who are not arrested are threatened by the government that unless they cease their activities or stop going to churches, either they, or their families, will be harmed,” she said. Iran has announced that it is committed to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, including Article 18, which ensures the right of any individual to change religion.

However, Fard said that the government has “repeatedly arrested Christians who have converted from Islam, confiscated their properties and forced them to quit their job or forced their employers to fire them”. Fard shared the example of one teacher who had been working for the Ministry of Education for 30 years. After he was found to be a Christian, he was fired. Some Christian women have lost custody of their children after their divorces from Muslim men because they are judged as Christians to have forfeited their rights. In one case, the judge told a mother of a two-year-old daughter that she could retain custody of her daughter if she became Muslim.

Source: World Watch Monitor

 

[Episaw]

Many Christians in Iran are forced to marry in Muslim ceremonies and to conduct Islamic funerals for Christian family members. Fard also mentioned that Christians are both prevented from inviting non-Christians to attend services but also from accepting any non-Christians who wishes to attend. Fard concluded: “It is obvious that the Islamic government has taken actions to prevent access of both Christians and the public to Christian societies, churches and Christian literature, despite the Christians’ constitutional, national and international rights. Iran has said it’s committed to its international obligations, so it should start to take measures to protect these constitutional rights.”

Source: World Watch Monitor

 

[ebia]

Thankyou for your opinion. Duly noted and rejected. As this is an open forum I can say what I like as long as it is not offensive. if you don't like it bu**er off.

From the rules

do not post violent, disturbing, graphic, or sexually explicit images or text. Profanity or foul language is not allowed. This includes using punctuations or acronyms to bypass the profanity filter and a few non-censored words found here.

 

[ebia]

I think we are all aware that the Iranian government is awful to all sorts of people: christians, atheists, Sunni Muslims, homosexuals, anyone who wants a drink, anyone who criticises the government, ...

(At least everyone except Australian politicians who like to pretend that iranian asylum seekers are economic migrants so they can persecute them as well)


What you are being asked to do is back up the claim you made.

 

[Episaw]

From the rules

do not post violent, disturbing, graphic, or sexually explicit images or text. Profanity or foul language is not allowed. This includes using punctuations or acronyms to bypass the profanity filter and a few non-censored words found here.

The word I used is not profanity in my country. It is part of everyday speech even for christians and no one bats an eyelid.

 

[Episaw]

What you are being asked to do is back up the claim you made.

Doh! WORLD WATCH MONITOR. In case you can't see that...WORLD WATCH MONITOR

 

[ebia]

The word I used is not profanity in my country. It is part of everyday speech even for christians and no one bats an eyelid.

If you need to be asterisks in to get past the profanity filter ...

 

[ebia]

Doh! WORLD WATCH MONITOR. In case you can't see that...WORLD WATCH MONITOR

I mean, you need to back up the claim you made originally, that Christians are the most persecuted people.

Anacdotes about individual instances of persecution, however real, don't do that.

 

[Robban]

Thankyou for your opinion. Duly noted and rejected. As this is an open forum I can say what I like as long as it is not offensive. if you don't like it bu**er off.

Nice, is this a shadow of the persecution from ye olde Europian Christianity?

The most persecution took Place within their own ranks,

if Catholics, Lutherans, Calvinistsm, Quakers, the list is long,
are all considered Christian.

 

[Episaw]

I mean, you need to back up the claim you made originally, that Christians are the most persecuted people.

Why? I am not here to be harried and cajoled by you. I will do what I want to do and if you don't like it that is your problem, not mine.

 

[LilLamb219]

MOD HAT ON

Let's keep on topic, please!

MOD HAT OFF

 

[ebia]

Why?

Because it would enhance your credibility if you demonstrate that you make claims you understand and can substantiate.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Because it would enhance your credibility if you demonstrate that you make claims you understand and can substantiate.

You cannot enhance something that does not exist

 

[ianb321red]

Seems to rely on the pew research, which doesn't say what it says it says, ano a report by International Society for Human Rights which isn't even mentioned on their website, so we have no idea what that actually says.

I have provided evidence, and the discussion can continue to review this evidence, but you need to read it properly and think about how it can be applied to this discussion in the first place.

In the meantime feel free to provide your own evidence to support a differing view point..

Both yourself and Bungle Bear seem to be very tardy in stumping up ANY evidence for ANYTHING you argue for....

 

[ianb321red]

Did you read the report?

It looks at how religious persecution is getting worse globally.

It doesn't attempt to address the question of which religion cops the most.

Read it properly - especially the bit on harrassment which isolates individual religions..

 

[ianb321red]

I mean, you need to back up the claim you made originally, that Christians are the most persecuted people.

Anacdotes about individual instances of persecution, however real, don't do that.

Since you are a Christian why don't you either support the claim - you must have some interest in the magnitude of Christian persecution - or provide evidence that shows which religious IS the most persecuted?

The evidence seems to suggest that it is Christians, but you seem intent on picking holes in this claim rather than provided a clear counter argument - and evidence to support it.

Why don't you spend more effort supporting your own views rather than pulling apart - and failing - views of other Christians?