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Which are false/ misleading - because the first statement is certainly true (Mohammed had 16 wives, 2 concubines and another dozen 'uncertain' relationships...)
That's a pretty good summary of the history of Christianity until not so very long ago.The history of Islam has been conversion by the sword and peodophilia. Mohammed had I don't know how many wives, one of whom was a nine year old.
Most of the time the only way he could get people to embrace islam was by the sword. Convert or die.
Both these have never changed. Over the last 12 months I have read half a dozen books about Islam written by ex muslims and the truths revealed about the way women and children are treated is horrendous.
Islam is a religion for men to abuse others and as that is the tradition perpetrated by men for men, next to no one complains about the fact.
The Koran says it is OK to lie to the infidels if it means putting one over them. The Koran says it is OK to kill the infidels if they stand in the way of an Islamic caliphate or if they refuse to convert to Islam.
The death penalty is standard for anyone who leaves Islam and joins another religion because in doing so they are dishonouring their family.
No. I have already posted how that is not true.Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims.
And Christians differ how?Muslims of all persuasions have the avowed intention of establishing islam as the only true religion. Every new mosque that is built it is another step to taking over that country according to them.
Again, that is not true. Please, spend some time researching these things before making such baseless, ill-educated claims.Terrorist acts by individuals have nothing to do with islam according to muslims when nearly all terrorists attacks are the product of islam.
It's not what you are portraying it as.So what is true islam? It speaks for itself.
Not shocking, not even surprising - just another nutjob talking out of his donkey.This is a pretty shocking article:
ISIS Say Only a Matter of Time Before Europe Is Conquered; Plan 'Largest Religious Cleansing Campaign' in History
That's a pretty good summary of the history of Christianity until not so very long ago. .
And Christians differ how?
Sugar or salt on your breakfast?I think your comparison is a false one - do you have any examples of people who have been murdered for Christian apostasy?
This is slightly a trick question, because if you can find any examples then I will obviously reply that these people were not Christians to commit such acts - simply because there is no such instruction or teaching in the bible (which is obvious given the 6th commandment)...
By contrast it is a well known and little disputed fact that apostasy from Islam is a crime punishable by the death penalty....you may be able to find a very small minority of Muslim scholars that may argue that the death penalty is an inappropriate punishment, but the overwhelming majority will argue that apostasy is a religious crime and that the penalty of death is well supported in both the hadith and quran.....
That's a pretty good summary of the history of Christianity until not so very long ago.
No. I have already posted how that is not true.
And Christians differ how?
Again, that is not true. Please, spend some time researching these things before making such baseless, ill-educated claims.
It's not what you are portraying it as.
Let me guess - you are reacting to Man Haron Monis. The Australian media should be seriously censured for their portrayal of that event.
I doubt anyone here would deny that the Iranian government is pretty awful. So are many governments around the world. So we many western governments until relatively recently, executing people over religious disagreements, etc. The treatment you would receive in prison in most countries around the world is horrific by western sensibilities; I'd hate to end up in prison in, say, PNG.Sorry to say I don't look for information that is true from an agnostic. I prefer information from people that are on the ground and have been there done that.
My knowledge of islam was gained long before Monis came on the scene like a book I read recently written by two Iranian christian woman who were jailed for nearly a year without charge because they gave a bible to a friend. When they were released thanks to christians praying for them on a daily basis, they still hadn't been charged.
The treatment that women of any kind received in that jail was barbaric, disgusting and cruel. One woman was hanged because she was raped, but I guess you will deny such things happen.
He has. He pointed out to you terrorists who are not muslims.I will repeat that not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims and until you can produce evidence to the contrary, I will stand by what I said.
I doubt anyone here would deny that the Iranian government is pretty awful. So are many governments around the world. So we many western governments until relatively recently, executing people over religious disagreements, etc. The treatment you would receive in prison in most countries around the world is horrific by western sensibilities; I'd hate to end up in prison in, say, PNG.
He has. He pointed out to you terrorists who are not muslims.
Let's be clear; one only need provide a single case to disprove your assertion.Has he? He stated up to 2005. We don't live in 2005. We live in 2014 and the world is a different place these days. The list of proscribed organisations from the USA is more indicative of what is happening.
Tell me, how many non islamic terrorists have you heard about this year who have conducted mayhem against others?
Except it was doing that for longer than islam has existed.
Tell me, how many non islamic terrorists have you heard about this year who have conducted mayhem against others?
But it did for much of history. And that's how it got most of the territory it holds. Where as most of the Islamic world was converted to Islam though traders and missions. (Remembering mist of Islam is east, not west, of Arabia, though the indes and Indo-China).I said "does not further" - as in describing what is happening in the modern era
And that would be you, would it? Please provide examples of you having "been there done that" so we all know what makes you so much better informed than me. And while you're at it, please provide a detailed synopsis of my life so we can all see that I have not "been there done that."Sorry to say I don't look for information that is true from an agnostic. I prefer information from people that are on the ground and have been there done that.
You read a book about 2 women in prison? Wow, you must really know Islam inside out!My knowledge of islam was gained long before Monis came on the scene like a book I read recently written by two Iranian christian woman who were jailed for nearly a year without charge because they gave a bible to a friend. When they were released thanks to christians praying for them on a daily basis, they still hadn't been charged.
Why would I deny it?The treatment that women of any kind received in that jail was barbaric, disgusting and cruel. One woman was hanged because she was raped, but I guess you will deny such things happen.
lol! If I were a dhimmi, or a muslim, I would have exceptional experience of Islam and therefore be in a far more knowledgeable position than youI realise by your comments that you are one of Islam's dhimmis, you may even be a muslim yourself but like most topics, I do not formulate my understanding of it by listening to the opinions of people who are obviously not experts on it and have no experience of the reality of it.
I see others have already posted further evidence. Will be nice to see you retract the claim.I will repeat that not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims and until you can produce evidence to the contrary, I will stand by what I said.
Nobody expects the Spanish InquisitionI think your comparison is a false one - do you have any examples of people who have been murdered for Christian apostasy?
Don't you just hate it when the bible doesn't just contradict you but takes it one step further? God tells you not just to kill the apostate, but also to burn down his city, kill his livestock and plunder his wealth!This is slightly a trick question, because if you can find any examples then I will obviously reply that these people were not Christians to commit such acts - simply because there is no such instruction or teaching in the bible (which is obvious given the 6th commandment)...
Sorry, but I'm going to include terrorists who may be muslims but acted for non-religious reasons (eg fighting for political independence). And the answer is........ 42.Tell me, how many non islamic terrorists have you heard about this year who have conducted mayhem against others?
Don't you just hate it when the bible doesn't just contradict you but takes it one step further? God tells you not just to kill the apostate, but also to burn down his city, kill his livestock and plunder his wealth!
Deuteronomy 13: etc etc
Do I need to provide another reference to the Spanish Inquisition? Maybe you'd prefer this instead?I repeat my question - do you have any examples of people who have been murdered for Christian apostasy?
No, but I suspect I could find some. I've given 2 references to people being killed for Christian apostasy as originally requested. You may not move the goalposts now.To put the question more clearly - do you have any examples of Deuteronomy 13:6-10 being enforced?
Consider what Jesus says in Matthew 5:19. Jesus trumps PaulConsider what Paul says in Romans 10:4 - about Christ being the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
We have Jesus saying you are bound by the OT laws. We then have Paul saying perhaps you are not. But Paul later says if you keep one OT law you need to keep them all.Christians are not bound by the OT/ Mosaic laws which is why you won't find this instruction applied to Christian apostasy. I do not know however what the Jewish response or explanation would be in this issue however.;.
Matthew 5:19And you've referred to the Spanish Inquisition in your post - but exactly what commandment and/or teaching of Jesus Christ can be shown to influence or support what happened this inquisition?
I made a comparison between the history of 2 religions based on another poster's overly biased version of one of those religions. I did not, and am under no obligation to, say anything about their central figures or teachings. I also said it was a "pretty good summary", not an exact representation. You have been provided evidence that my comment is fair. You have done nothing to cast doubt on the validity of the comment. Guess what? History doesn't change just because you don't like it.Making a comparision between Christianity and Islam requires a focal point so really you need to bring in the 2 central figures to each religion - Jesus and Mohammad - and look at the influence they had on this subject from what they said, taught, their behaviour and so on
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