What is the purpose of the Sabbath?

[BNR32FAN]

In heaven it says we will be working so we will not be bowing before the Lord 24/7 in heaven according to scriptures.

What passage are you referring to?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I don’t know what they did snd neither do you. What I won’t do is start making assumptions about what they did in order to promote my theology.

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man and man was made before the very first Sabbath Genesis 1:26, I don't believe that Adam and Eve sinned from the very first day. God rested right after He created man- what do you think man was doing on the very first Sabbath? I choose to believe they celebrated the Sabbath with our Creator just like the saints will be forever Isaiah 66:23 as promised by God. Exodus 31:16

Do you hold the same standard to scripture on Sunday keeping? Maybe you can provide scripture where keeping the first day of the week is a commandment of God written with His own finger? Where God said the first day is the holy day to Him or to us? Where does God bless the first day or sanctify it. If you hold this high of standard that everything must be explicit than I imagine you would find this scripture about Sunday-keeping in the bible.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What passage are you referring to?

“They shall build houses and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit. They shall not build and another inhabit; they shall not plant and another eat … and My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands” Isaiah 65:21-22

 

[SabbathBlessings]

If your employer says your going to work from Saturday to Saturday do you think think that means your only going to work one day a week on Saturday? If he said you’ll work from 9AM to 5Pm do you think that means you’ll only work at 9AM and then again at 5PM? C’mon you know what the words “from” and “to” mean. Be straight about it don’t try to make the verse into something it isn’t.

I go to church from one Sabbath to another which does not mean I go to church every day. The verse does not say everyday or from one day to another it says from one Sabbath to another....

and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. Isaiah 66:23

Just like the commandment, we are to keep holy every seventh day Exodus 20:8

The seventh day is the Sabbath Exodus 20:10.

God does not change.

God bless.

 

[pasifika]

most of these sabbath threads soon turn into the same back and forth from the same people and with the same canned arguments (myself included and if it's you too you know who you are). But for the moment let's table the arguments of the requirement of the Sabbath and talk about the purpose of the Sabbath which I feel is a more noble conversation.

So in whatever you say, make sure you are speaking about the purpose and not just rehashing the same things we can see in pages and pages of threads before this. A mother may say to her child "eat your vegetables" so the immediate instruction/requirement is clear which is to eat the vegetable but nothing is said about the purpose of eating the vegetables and it's to that purpose I'm getting at.

Let's try and be critical about this too and avoid sentiments like "because God says to obey it". Although that may be a statement of motivation it is not a statement of purpose and to that expect a reply of "Why does God say to obey it?" Better yet ask yourself why first, and keep asking why until you can get to the root and that should show you the purpose.

What is the purpose of the Sabbath?

Purpose of the Sabbath is to rest or cease from work.

 

[pasifika]

I go to church from one Sabbath to another which does not man I go to church every day. The verse does not say from every day or from one day to another it says from one Sabbath to another....

and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. Isaiah 66:23

Just like the commandment, we are to keep holy every seventh day Exodus 20:8

The seventh day is the Sabbath Exodus 20:10.

God does not change.

God bless.

How can a sinner keep something holy?

 

[guevaraj]

How can a sinner keep something holy?

Brother, according to Hebrews 3 and 4, we keep God's "rest" holy by entering the Sabbath at the appointed time and not entering any other time. The "rest" spoken of in Hebrews 3 and 4 "has been ready since He made the world". God did not give them this "rest" for 40 years with Manna, them keeping a seventh day Sabbath from morning to morning which was correct in Eden, but not near the Promised Land until they reached the Promised Land and kept a Sabbath from evening to evening that is not a day of the week as defined in Genesis from morning to morning and confirmed below, because the Sabbath remembered is in the time zone of Eden.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

Although God gave them His Sabbath in the Promised Land, under Joshua they did not understand the "rest" of God's Sabbath to keep the Sabbath outside the time zone of the Promised Land. To correct this misunderstanding since Joshua, "God set another time for entering His rest, and that time is today", in the new covenant with the call in Hebrews 3 and 4 to keep God's true Sabbath "rest". The "rest" that God wants us to enter "today", in the new covenant when believers find themselves living outside the time zone of the Promised Land, "has been ready since He made the world".

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:8-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

How can a sinner keep something holy?

Are you suggesting God commanded us to do something that is impossible to do? When we keep the Sabbath holy God blesses and sanctifies us. Ezekiel 20:12, Isaiah 58:13-14

 

[pasifika]

Are you suggesting God commanded us to do something that is impossible to do? When we keep the Sabbath holy God blesses and sanctifies us. Ezekiel 20:12, Isaiah 58:13-14

Is it possible to keep it then?
Under the old covenant?

Maybe you should take your view to Paul here what he says in Galatians 3:11.. clearly no one who relies on the law is "justified" before God...

So, it's important to think what it means to be "justified" from something ie law...

If the law can be able to justify you before God then it possible to keep it But if the law cannot justify you, then you won't be able to keep it..

 

[pasifika]

Brother, according to Hebrews 3 and 4, we keep God's "rest" holy by entering the Sabbath at the appointed time and not entering any other time. The "rest" spoken of in Hebrews 3 and 4 "has been ready since He made the world". God did not give them this "rest" for 40 years with Manna, them keeping a seventh day Sabbath from morning to morning which was correct in Eden, but not near the Promised Land until they reached the Promised Land and kept a Sabbath from evening to evening that is not a day of the week as defined in Genesis from morning to morning and confirmed below, because the Sabbath remembered is in the time zone of Eden.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

Although God gave them His Sabbath in the Promised Land, under Joshua they did not understand the "rest" of God's Sabbath to keep the Sabbath outside the time zone of the Promised Land. To correct this misunderstanding since Joshua, "God set another time for entering His rest, and that time is today", in the new covenant with the call in Hebrews 3 and 4 to keep God's true Sabbath "rest". The "rest" that God wants us to enter "today", in the new covenant when believers find themselves living outside the time zone of the Promised Land, "has been ready since He made the world".

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:8-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Do you have to be holy before you can keep something holy?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Is it possible to keep it then?
Under the old covenant?

Maybe you should take your view to Paul here what he says in Galatians 3:11.. clearly no one who relies on the law is "justified" before God...

So, it's important to think what it means to be "justified" from something ie law...

If law the can be able to justify you before God then it possible to keep it But if the law cannot justify you, then you won't be able to keep it..

We are in the New Covenant and God write His laws in our hearts and minds Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33. They are in our hearts and we keep because we love God. They are written in our minds so we remember to do them. James 1:22, Romans 2:13, Revelation 14:15

Who said anything about keeping the law to be justified? You keep the law because that is what establishes faith Romans 3:31 through love to God. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Do you have to be holy before you can keep something holy?

God wants us to be like Him, which is holy. God only asks us to do things so we can be more like Him, follow His example. God's commandments express the character of God, when we obey it brings us to God. Galatians 3:24 Sin separates us from God, which is why we are told to keep the commandments John 14:15 and when doing so we are provided the Holy Spirit to help us obey John 14:16-18 and we are given the Holy Spirit when we obey. Acts 2:38, Acts 5:32

It's all the time I have for now.

God bless.

 

[pasifika]

We are in the New Covenant and God write His laws in our hearts and minds Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33. They are in our hearts and we keep because we love God. They are written in our minds so we remember to do them. James 1:22, Romans 2:13, Revelation 14:15

Who said anything about keeping the law to be justified? You keep the law because that is what establishes faith Romans 3:31 through love to God. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3

How can the law established faith?
I thought is the other way around.."faith established the law".. Romans 3

 

[guevaraj]

Do you have to be holy before you can keep something holy?

Brother, no! As long as we are "growing" individually and collectively, paying attention to the leading of the Holy Spirit, we are on the right track. "What we will be has not yet been made known", what the Bible does say is that when Jesus returns, "we will be like him."

See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure. (1 John 3:1-3 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[pasifika]

God wants us to be like Him, which is holy. God only asks us to do things so we can be more like Him, follow His example. God's commandments express the character of God, when we obey it brings us to God. Galatians 3:24 Sin separates us from God, which is why we are told to keep the commandments John 14:15 and when doing so we are provided the Holy Spirit to help us obey John 14:16-18 and we are given the Holy Spirit when we obey. Acts 2:38, Acts 5:32

It's all the time I have for now.

God bless.

God only gave the law so they can be conscious of their sins... Romans 3.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

How can the law established faith?
I thought is the other way around.."faith established the law".. Romans 3

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God only gave the law so they can be conscious of their sins... Romans 3.

Not sure who "they" are. God does not anyone to sin. Sin does not come from God but from the devil 1 John 3:8

Yes, the law points out sin (so we know what to not do) Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7 and sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 when we sin we are in danger of judgement James 2:10-12, Revelation 11:19, Matthew 5:21 Hebrews 10:26-30.

 

[pasifika]

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Read it properly..

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Read it properly..

You should too. . .

 

[pasifika]

Not sure who "they" are. God does not anyone to sin. Sin does not come from God but from the devil 1 John 3:8

Yes, the law points out sin (so we know what to not do) Roman 3:20, Romans 7:7 and sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 and when we sin we are in danger of judgement James 2:10-12, Revelation 11:19, Matthew 5:21 Hebrews 10:26-30.

"They" I referenced to those whom God gave the law to...Romans 2:12-14