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What is the purpose of the Sabbath?

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Please see the quote below
The law (OC) point to God's Righteousness, although that Righteousness cannot be given by the law (OC) But by Faith in Christ.
As the law is NOT based on Faith, but of works (self works).
 
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The law (OC) point to God's Righteousness, although that Righteousness cannot be given by the law (OC) But by Faith in Christ.
As the law is NOT based on Faith, but of works (self works).
Bad translation, it is the Faith of Christ. And the law is of God not self works. Of ourselves we can do nothing.
 
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Bad translation, it is the Faith of Christ. And the law is of God not self works. Of ourselves we can do nothing.
Yes, the Law (OC) is of God but it based on self works.."we will do everything that God said"..Exodus 19:8 (God gives commands "people" will do..). This is the old covenant...

New covenant is God commands and God will do..and we have to "Believe".
 
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I can’t imagine you are serious. If you are or not please feel free to ignore me. Thanks
Absolutely serious, because it all depends on where you break the sentences.

Verse 6 by itself does not look like a commandment, but rather a statement about God's character.
 
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Absolutely serious, because it all depends on where you break the sentences.

Verse 6 by itself does not look like a commandment, but rather a statement about God's character.
Then I will you. Because I don’t believe you believe your own words let alone have somebody else believe them . Take care.
 
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Yes, the Law (OC) is of God but it based on self works.."we will do everything that God said"..Exodus 19:8 (God gives commands "people" will do..). This is the old covenant...

New covenant is God commands and God will do..and we have to "Believe".
No where does it say in the Holy writ that the law is based on self works.
 
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No where does it say in the Holy writ that the law is based on self works.
You don't need to find the exact word "self works" but you need to understand it what the old covenant law requirements is, to prove whether is based on "self works" or God.
 
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Yes, the Law (OC) is of God but it based on self works.."we will do everything that God said"..Exodus 19:8 (God gives commands "people" will do..). This is the old covenant...

New covenant is God commands and God will do..and we have to "Believe".
So then why do you not believe we need to obey the 4th commandment? It is God's power that enables us to keep it. It's no works of ours to obey Him.
 
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So then why do you not believe we need to obey the 4th commandment? It is God's power that enables us to keep it. It's no works of ours to obey Him.
If you want to obey the 4th commandment or any commandments. First you need to "Believe" the Gospel. For anyone who "believe" enter into God's Rest..Hebrews 3. (This will take a life time to achieve Not 7days).
 
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If you want to obey the 4th commandment or any commandments. First you need to "Believe" the Gospel. For anyone who "believe" enter into God's Rest..Hebrews 3. (This will take a life time to achieve Not 7days).
Why do you say that? It has been my experience that when I first began to choose to listen to the Holy Spirit at all times and be obedient to Him my life started changing that very day.
 
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Why do you say that? It has been my experience that when I first began to choose to listen to the Holy Spirit at all times and be obedient to Him my life started changing that very day.
Why do I say that? Because the 4th commandment comes in a set of 9 other commandments, and failing to uphold one of the other 9 commandments automatically failed you from keeping the 4th commandment and all commandments..James 2:10.

The end results of our fellowship with the Holy Spirit is to be like Jesus..1John 4:17. This is "holiness", and if we get to this stage then we keep All commandments including the 4th.
 
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Then I will you. Because I don’t believe you believe your own words let alone have somebody else believe them . Take care.
I certainly do believe what I say. Exodus 20:6 isn't, in itself, a commandment.

But supposing it is, this would be a commandment as well, wouldn't it?

May you take care, as well!
 
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I certainly do believe what I say. Exodus 20:6 isn't, in itself, a commandment.

But supposing it is, this would be a commandment as well, wouldn't it?

May you take care, as well!
Huh? God saying He brought Israel out of bondage is a command? You're going to have to explain that grammar to me.
 
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Huh? God saying He brought Israel out of bondage is a command? You're going to have to explain that grammar to me.
Exactly! Exodus 20:6 in itself is not a commandment.

Edit: And in light of the OP, the purpose of the Sabbath is to teach us God's ways.
 
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I agree, and this scripture came to my mind
Yes the "old covenant" it's based solely on the "person" who decided to follow this old covenant law. Nothing to do with God help or Christ or Grace or Faith..those who seek to be justified by the Law (OC) have alienated from Christ, they have fallen away from Grace..Galatians 5:4
 
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Why do I say that? Because the 4th commandment comes in a set of 9 other commandments, and failing to uphold one of the other 9 commandments automatically failed you from keeping the 4th commandment and all commandments..James 2:10.

The end results of our fellowship with the Holy Spirit is to be like Jesus..1John 4:17. This is "holiness", and if we get to this stage then we keep All commandments including the 4th.
So? Why do I have to fail on the 4th commandment any more than the other 9? You're going to have to explain this to me. Sin is sin and the same urges apply to breaking all the commandments. All I have to do to break the commandment not to commit adultery is to look at a woman with lust in my heart. All I have to do to commit murder is to hate someone. Your comment baffles me.
 
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Exactly! Exodus 20:6 in itself is not a commandment.

Edit: And in light of the OP, the purpose of the Sabbath is to teach us God's ways.
So you're going to take verse 6 out of it's context so you can claim it isn't a commandment? Sorry, but I find that pretty devious.
 
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So you're going to take verse 6 out of it's context so you can claim it isn't a commandment? Sorry, but I find that pretty devious.
It looks to me like verse 2 is in the same context.

Anyways, the purpose of the Sabbath is to teach us God's ways.
 
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