WHAT is Daniel's Abomination?

[5thKingdom]

only been reading scripture a few months but what has been discerned to me came from the LORD

And I have only been TEACHING Scripture of almost 50 years.
Your comments prove you lack discernment.

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[5thKingdom]

Again your comment has NOTHING TO DO with my comment...
I need to ignore you unless/until you learn how to have a "conversation"
If that is possible at your age.

why insult?

It is NOT an "insult" to note that your comments have NOTHING TO DO with my comments....

It is NOT an "insult" to note you do not understand how to have a "conversation"


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[Lost Witness]

Again your comment has NOTHING TO DO with my comment...
I need to ignore you unless/until you learn how to have a "conversation"
If that is possible at your age.





It is NOT an "insult" to note that your comments have NOTHING TO DO with my comments....

It is NOT an "insult" to note you do not understand how to have a "conversation"


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I forgive you


May The LORD Bless You and Keep You



Shalom aleichem

 

[Semper-Fi]

Which YOU should know by now since you cannot REFUTE a single word from Scripture...

Your whole gospel hinges on this

the A-Millennial Kingdom is the Gospel

The Good News Christ preached was The Coming Kingdom of God
to earth, where Christ reigns over all the physical kingdoms of man.

The millennium is a future event in which the nation of Israel
is restored, and all the promises about her are fulfilled.
This is a 1000 year event for the near future at the seventh Trumpet blast.

6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying,
Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or
the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

you can only DENY based on personal "feelings"... that means LESS than nothing.

When have I ever "based Scripture" on "my personal "feelings"?

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

"knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Matthew 5:17-20

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets:
I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise
pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom
of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be
called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed
the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case
enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Do you know what A Jot or A tittle means?

 

[The Righterzpen]

First, we are talking about the "Man of Sin"... not Judas

Secondly, the Bible is crystal clear WHEN the "Man of Sin" exists (just before Jesus Returns)
and WHEN the "Man of Sin" is "revealed" (just before Jesus Returns)

So the Bible is crystal clear WHEN the "Man of Sin" exists and WHEN he is "revealed"...
it has nothing to do with Judas.

"and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;...." Same wording; look it up in the Greek

The 'man of sin" is the "son of perdition".

There is no question the Atonement was complete at the Cross (that is WHEN He PAID for the sins of "His Sheep")

Secondly... the Scripture does NOT say all flesh would be in danger of not being saved...
you ADDED that to the text.

You fail to understand the difference between
WHEN Jesus paid for our sins and
WHEN each of us is regenerated (saved)

That is conflating two (2) subjects

Matthew 24:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no (notice this word right here??? It's the word NO. What does the word "no" mean? ) flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

There it is - right there in the passage. I didn't add it. Be my guest to go look it up in the Greek! There it is!

Jesus is the "lamb slain from the foundation of the world" Revelation 13:8. (Hint; the end had been determined by the Director before this "movie" ever started!) Those who are elect to salvation are elect before the foundation of the world. (Ephesians 1:4). How do you jive what happens in time with what happens before time? One God, one Plan, complete beginning to end. It's not actually "conflating two subjects". There is an answer to this, if you have the humility to learn what it is.

 

[The Righterzpen]

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked BE REVEALED,
whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Speaking of context:

Compare:
2Th 2:3 - Let no man deceive (aorist active) you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come (aorist active) a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed (aorist passive), the son of perdition.

Do you know what the aorist verb tense is and why it's usually translated as "past tense"?

2Th 2:4 - Who opposeth (present tense) and exalteth (present tense) himself above all that is called (present tense) God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth (aorist active) in the temple of God, shewing (present tense) himself that he is God.

2Th 2:6 - And now ye know what withholdeth (present active) that he might be revealed (aorist passive) in his time.

2Th 2:7 - For the mystery of iniquity doth already work (present tense) : only he who now letteth (present active) will let, until he be taken (2nd aorist) out of the way.

2Th 2:8 - And then (conjunction - "Conjunction junction, what's your function? Hooking up verbs and phrases and clauses." = This means verse 8 here is attached to the verses above it!) shall (future) that Wicked be revealed,(future) whom the Lord shall consume (future) with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy (future) with the brightness of (but why are all these verbs future tense? = because) his coming: (hasn't happened yet!)

2Th 2:9 - Even him, whose coming (noun) is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Th 2:10 - And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; (present active) because they received (aorist middle) not the love of the truth, that they might (aorist passive) be saved.

2Th 2:11 - And for this cause God shall (future) send them strong delusion, that they should believe (aorist active) a lie:

2Th 2:12 - That they all might be damned (aorist passive) who believed (aorist active) not the truth, but had pleasure (aorist active) in unrighteousness.

Note the only things that are future in this whole sequence are:
1. What is revealed at His coming; (because the "coming" hasn't come yet)!
2. Strong delusion that God will send just before the end.

Now go back to:
2Th 2:1 - Now we beseech (present active) you, brethren, by the coming (noun) of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering (noun) together unto him,

2Th 2:2 - That ye be not soon shaken (aorist passive) in mind, or be troubled, (present passive) neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is (perfect active) at hand.

Do you know what the perfect verb tense is and why that's sometimes translated as "past" and other's translated as "present" but NEVER translated as "future"?

 

[The Righterzpen]

First, it is not MY VERSION of eschatology... you pretend.

You claim Jesus revealed these things to you; yet... they contradict Scripture!

Secondly, it's because God speaks of future events as already being accomplished
because NONE of His Plans can be prevented.

Close, but not exactly.

God speaks of future events already being accomplished because in eternity; they have been. Not because "His Plans could not be prevented". (By any created agency this is true.) But God always reserved the right to change His own mind. Despite the fact that He didn't change His mind! The fact that He didn't change His mind is why things were accomplished before the foundation of the world.

Now, can you explain how that works? How do time and eternity work in conjunction with each other? I'm going to guess that you can't explain that; and this is why you keep dodging questions like this.

This is Theology 101 buddy...
why is it "news" to you?

You're correct. This is "theology 101".

But just because you can't explain it; doesn't mean that it's news to me! That's not my failing but only your assumed arrogance. Because I can explain it. You just haven't asked me for that explanation, because you assume you already know the answer.

Buddy, I do not have time for games.

Then stop playing them!

I asked you WHAT question I did not answer.

You refuse to TELL ME the questions

So you are wasting my time and yours.

When you want to get serious

THEN I will treat you seriously.

It's just that simple

You have simply pretended that you've answered, but you really haven't because you really don't know and you don't want to admit that you don't know.

That's the real problem here!

 

[The Righterzpen]

only been reading scripture a few months but what has been discerned to me came from the LORD

Keep on reading, studying and most of all praying for wisdom. God is good. His sheep hear His voice!

And all God's people said Amen!

 

[The Righterzpen]

And I have only been TEACHING Scripture of almost 50 years.
Your comments prove you lack discernment.

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INTERESTING!
To have been "teaching".... Scripture for almost 50 years and lack this amount of simple skills of social interaction!

Wow. I'm impressed!

 

[Jipsah]

What depth of understanding the Last Saints have.

 

[Jipsah]

5thKingdom said:
You cannot REFUTE a word I said... and yet you pretend I am arrogant?

Motorcycles, OM. Still waiting for that refutation.

 

[Jipsah]

5thKingdom said:
What depth of understanding the Last Saints have.

Measured in nanometers?

 

[The Righterzpen]

No... you are half right.
YOU do not know... but I do.

But back to the subject at hand: And now since you claim to know. Explain it!

Matthew 24:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no (notice this word right here??? It's the word NO. What does the word "no" mean? ) flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

There it is - right there in the passage. I didn't add it. Be my guest to go look it up in the Greek! There it is!

You still haven't answered this question.
And yes, I do know the answer to this question. And if you ask nicely, I will share the answer with you.

In the mean time though, here's the proof that word "no" is actually in the text. (In two place even!)

Mat 24:22 - And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mar 13:20 - And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

"...no..." (flesh be saved): Matthew 24:22

G3956 - pas - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G3956 - πᾶς pâs, pas; including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole:—all (manner of, means), alway(-s), any (one), daily, ever, every (one, way), as many as, no(-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.

www.blueletterbible.org

"...no.." (flesh should be saved): Mark 13:20

G3756 - ou - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G3756 - οὐ ou, oo; a primary word; the absolute negative (compare ) adverb; no or not:— long, nay, neither, never, no (X man), none, (can-)not, nothing, special, un(-worthy), when, without, yet but. See also , .

www.blueletterbible.org

(no flesh) "....should..." (be saved): Mark 13:20

G302 - an - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G302 - ἄν án, an; a primary particle, denoting a supposition, wish, possibility or uncertainty:—(what-, where-, wither-, who-)soever. Usually unexpressed except by the subjunctive or potential mood. Also contracted for .

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
Again your comment has NOTHING TO DO with my comment...
I need to ignore you unless/until you learn how to have a "conversation"
If that is possible at your age.

I forgive you

LOL...
You forgive me for you making a comment that has NOTHING TO DO with my comment

You are very confused


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[5thKingdom]

But back to the subject at hand: And now since you claim to know. Explain it!

Slow down and understand,
I NEVER disputed what Mat 24:22 teaches.
So I don't know WHY you are pretending otherwise?

You still haven't answered this question.

And I do not have to answer any question.
How is that?

I know the answer is WAY above your head
and I don't need any more of that.

You do not understand the CONTEXT of the verse...
you do not know WHO is on earth at that time.


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[5thKingdom]

Measured in nanometers?

You think you are so funny. A legend in your own mind.

Tell me please
WHAT have I said that you can REFUTE from Scripture.

The answer is NOTHING

Therefore, while you are too blind to see, you embarrass yourself pretending
that your "feelings" (and lack of understanding) establishes some Biblical Truth... It does not.

If you can REFUTE anything I said THEN (and only then) would you have standing to JOKE.
Instead, your words are the JOKE.


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[Lost Witness]

If that is possible at your age.

^^^^^
Insult

LOL...
You forgive me for you making a comment that has NOTHING TO DO with my comment

You are very confused

I forgave you for it ?

 

[5thKingdom]

^^^^^
Insult

No... just an observation
Get over yourself... that was days ago.

I forgave you for it ?

LOL...
you who does not even understand Christian Theology 101...
you who pretends God accepted your repentance (when God produces repentance)
you are not in a position to "forgive" anyone.

Again you are just pretending
You do that a lot

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[The Righterzpen]

Slow down and understand,
I NEVER disputed what Mat 24:22 teaches.
So I don't know WHY you are pretending otherwise?

You certainly did dispute Matthew 24:22. You liar!

There is no question the Atonement was complete at the Cross (that is WHEN He PAID for the sins of "His Sheep")

Secondly... the Scripture does NOT say all flesh would be in danger of not being saved...
you ADDED that to the text.

Right here: You stated the Scripture did not say something that very clearly it does say.

And I do not have to answer any question.
How is that?

Won't answer because you don't know the answer! That's what your response says to me!

Allegedly you've been "teaching" Scripture for 50 years and you act like this?? (Personally, I don't know what you're doing to Scripture; but I wouldn't call it teaching!)

But anyways. If you've been "teaching" Scripture for "almost 50 years" than you are the most immature 60 plus year old I've ever encountered.

You act more like a 15 year old with something to prove. Thus I don't believe you've been "teaching" Scripture for almost 50 years. I have a 21 year old son with autism and epilepsy who has better people skills than you do. (And the poor kid can't remember squat.)

Jesus had a saying for people like you. (Luke 7:31-32)

I know the answer is WAY above your head
and I don't need any more of that.

Again, only tells me that you don't know.

And you know how I know you don't know? Because if you did actually know; you are way too arrogant to not broadcast what you think you know. That's how I know; that you can't answer the question.

You do not understand the CONTEXT of the verse...
you do not know WHO is on earth at that time.

LOL - Who is on earth at the time doesn't matter because no entity God created could frustrate His plan!

Right.....????

So do share; why it is you think Matthew 24:22 says "no flesh would be saved" if the tribulation was not shortened?

(I'll give you a hint! If "no flesh would be saved" during the "great tribulation" and "flesh is saved" as part of the atonement; logic would dictate that the "great tribulation" HAD to take place as part of the atonement.

Who wants my Scriptural evidence to prove this - raise your hand!

 

[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
Slow down and understand,
I NEVER disputed what Mat 24:22 teaches.
So I don't know WHY you are pretending otherwise?

You certainly did dispute Matthew 24:22. You liar!

In what post?
I am not saying you are a liar.
I suspect you are confused.

But... since you called me a liar.
Now you are required to show WHERE I lied.
Tell me the post or cut-and-paste my comment

To simply call me a liar - without any proof - is childish.
You are acting as a child.



5thKingdom said:
There is no question the Atonement was complete at the Cross (that is WHEN He PAID for the sins of "His Sheep")

Secondly... the Scripture does NOT say all flesh would be in danger of not being saved...
you ADDED that to the text.

Right here: You stated the Scripture did not say something that very clearly it does say.

Try again..
your comment DOES NOT show anything.

(1) Are you commenting on what I said about the Atonement?
(2) Are you commenting on what I said about "all flesh would be in danger of NOT being saved"?

Put your big boy pants on and SHOW the Scripture that "clearly says" what I said it does not.
This is not hard. When you make a comment you MUST be able to show the Scripture that supports your doctrine.
Otherwise you only express your "feelings" and that means LESS than nothing.



5thKingdom said:
And I do not have to answer any question.
How is that?

Won't answer because you don't know the answer! That's what your response says to me!

(1) First, you do not have to answer.
I could not care less

(2) Second, you only PRETEND I don't know the answer.
And you have no (legitimate) reason for pretending.

There is a DIFFERENCE between me refusing to answer a question
and me NOT KNOWING the answer...
Learn the diffence.



5thKingdom said:
I know the answer is WAY above your head
and I don't need any more of that.

Again, only tells me that you don't know.

LOL....
I gave you a REASON

You pretend otherwise.
That is just you pretending

And you know how I know you don't know? Because if you did actually know; you are way too arrogant to not broadcast what you think you know. That's how I know; that you can't answer the question.

No... that is just a childish statement.
You embarrass yourself.

There can be MANY reasons WHY I don't want to answer your question.
And, in fact, I GAVE you the reason... you want to pretend otherwise.
But you are only pretending.

Your logic is the logic of a child.
In adult life things are more complicated than your childish beliefs.



5thKingdom said:
You do not understand the CONTEXT of the verse...
you do not know WHO is on earth at that time.

LOL - Who is on earth at the time doesn't matter because no entity God created could frustrate His plan!

Unfortunately for you
The POINT is NOT God being frustrated.

The POINT is understanding the CONTEXT of the verse.

I made a comment and you DEFLECTED to a different subject entirely.
That is an indication of how childish your comment are.

Try to respond to what is actually SAID
instead of deflecting to a different subject entirely
THAT is how adult conversations work.

So do share; why it is you think Matthew 24:22 says "no flesh would be saved" if the tribulation was not shortened?

(I'll give you a hint! If "no flesh would be saved" during the "great tribulation" and "flesh is saved" as part of the atonement; logic would dictate that the "great tribulation" HAD to take place as part of the atonement.

LOL... the Atonement was FINISHED at the Cross.
I have already told you this and ANY Saint would tell you this.
This is Christian Theology 101... why is it "news" to you?


So your THEORY about Matthew 24:22 is already proven to be a false doctrine
because you insist if involves "the Great Tribulation HAD to take place as part of the Atonement"


Now... I am willing to concede that your PROBLEM is you simply cannot articulate your thoughts...
but THAT is a requirement of having adult conversations... so that is all on you.


And you can pretend that "logic would dictate"... but that is just you pretending.
You do not get to DEFINE what "logic" may (or may not) dictate.
That is just childish talk again.


PAY ATTENTION:
The text says "no flesh would be saved".
That does NOT mean ONLY the saved flesh on earth...
that INCLUDES all of the unsaved flesh on earth also.


And THAT destroys you theory about the Atonement... AND the meaning of the text.
not that your argument was not already destroyed by the (Biblical) FACT
the Atonement was FINISHED at the Cross.


Your THEORY contradicts the text.
So your theory is already proven wrong


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