WHAT is Daniel's Abomination?

[5thKingdom]

You say only Last Saints, yet you seem to be the only saint[single]
that understands this theory of yours.

LOL... the only one ON THIS FORUM

Or do you pretend this forum includes ALL THE SAINTS
Are you really that simple?

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[Semper-Fi]

LOL... the only one ON THIS FORUM

Or do you pretend this forum includes ALL THE SAINTS
Are you really that simple?

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Semper-Fi said:
Can you show where this information was provided to over
200 theologians in the best Seminaries in America? and to over
200 pastors teaching in the most conservative/Reformed churches.

Yes... why would you think I am lying?

"The information was sent (repeatedly) to over 200 theologians
in the best Seminaries in America and to over 200 pastors
teaching in the most conservative/Reformed churches.

And nobody could offer ONE VERSE of Scripture to refute anything
said. Just as today nobody can offer ONE VERSE to refute anything,
they can only DENY the information is Biblically valid.

So you sent your paper [The History of Man] to over 200 theologians
in the best Seminaries in America and to over 200 pastors/churches.

I could do that say with my own view of the hidden truth of church history.
Seems there was no saints that agreed with you. Did any reply back?

Did you even go/been asked to a Seminary and teach this paper?

My guess they either did not reply, like most people here,
or you rejected every bible idea replied/presented, like you do here.

Even if [you taught] in the best Seminaries in America this,
I would still choose the bibles views on these subjects.

Besides You are arrogant, rude to others, and repeat the same thing,
you know the truth that was hidden, all others wrong.

God would never give a un-humble person special knowledge,
let alone have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.

You did not know what a url was, and not even know how to copy/paste one.

Yes I think you are lying. Can you show where this information/paper was (repeatedly)
provided to over 200 theologians in the best Seminaries in America?
and the 200 pastors teaching in the most conservative/Reformed churches?

Please show hard facts from other sources then your typewriter.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Semper-Fi said:
He says [only] the last Saints have this knowledge, and [God told him].
But he has never found other Saints (plural) to agree as far as I know.

What a LIE.
I know what other Saints teach the same as me.
YOU do not know them.

If you would slow down and actually read what people say.
What I said was "as far as I know" no one agrees with you.

P.S. see above

 

[DavidPT]

Yes I think you are lying. Can you show where this information/paper was (repeatedly)
provided to over 200 theologians in the best Seminaries in America?
and the 200 pastors teaching in the most conservative/Reformed churches?

Paste the following into Google search engine keeping it encased in quotes.

"Dr. Theodore J. Wardlaw Austin Presbyterian Seminary, Austin, TX"

 

[Semper-Fi]

Paste the following into Google search engine keeping it encased in quotes.

"Dr. Theodore J. Wardlaw Austin Presbyterian Seminary, Austin, TX"

There is a bunch of pictures, but can not read any of the small print.
Looking for his paper on [The History of Man]

 

[DavidPT]

There is a bunch of pictures, but can not read any of the small print.
Looking for his paper on [The History of Man]

That particular search should have netted only one result, that being 5thKingdom's website where he posted this. I don't know what you mean by a bunch of pictures?

The way I initially found his website was by typing the following in Google

5thKingdom+kingdom+of+heaven

Which then led to this screen

Showing results for 5th Kingdom+kingdom+of+heaven
Search instead for 5thKingdom+kingdom+of+heaven

And that if you click on the latter, his site shows up in the search results at maybe 2nd or 3rd down from the top. It will be obvious which link is pertaining to his site.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Paste the following into Google search engine keeping it encased in quotes.

"Dr. Theodore J. Wardlaw Austin Presbyterian Seminary, Austin, TX"

I typed that in quotes (Duck Duck Go) and actually get an Austin Presbyterian Seminary page; but nothing about "5th kingdom". I typed it into Yandex and got more hits but they were still Austin Presbyterian Seminary. But nothing about "The history of man" or anything like that.

 

[The Righterzpen]

@Semper-Fi
I saw a statement you posted on the (I think it was "history of man") thread. The statement / question was about the meaning of "time, times 1/2 time". Have you found a Bible passage that defines what that actually means. I know 3.5 is used in Revelation.

I've found some "interesting coincidences" that seem "historically relevant" to the number, though may not actually mean anything. Curious if you've found any Bible passages I don't know about.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Tell me...
WHO PROMISES the TRUTH of Daniel's prophecies remained "closed-up" and "sealed" from all Saints
until the Last Saints "shall understand" (and preach) that TRUTH at the "Time-of-the-End"...

Was it ME that promised that?
Was it the Word of God that promised that?

I hope this question is not TOO HARD for you to answer.

Well, Interesting: I looked up "time" and "end" in the Hebrew.

It literally comes out as "stop the words and seal the book even to the (eternal adornment) of the (point of cutting off)"

The references in Daniel say nothing about "last saints" "shall understand" (and preach)....

Revelation 10 talks about "sealing up" the words of the "seven thunders".

Most people interpret the "seal up" from Daniel to be a reference to the book of Revelation. Yet interestingly, there are things in Revelation that remain sealed until time is actually over.

Revelation 10
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,

6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

 

[Semper-Fi]

What about the Scriptures that say the Beast exists for
3.5 "times" and 3.5 "days" and 3.5 years (42 mos)
and 3.5 "watches of the night"?

Do you know what " a time" means?

Yes, I know the 3.5 "times" = the 3.5 "days" = the
3.5 years [42 mos] = the 3.5 "watches of the night"

Not sure if the 3.5 "days", or the 3.5 "watches of the night"
is calculated using "a time" anywhere. But in prophecy a “time”
is "a prophetic 360-day year" for your information and [others].

Why not use a solar year? Or a year of 3651/4 days?

You see there are OTHER passages that indicate
the Ten "Kings/Horns' have power for
3.5 "times"
3.5 "days"
3.5 years [42 mos]
3.5 "watches of the night"

Those are not all the same events.
Where does the bible say the Ten "Kings/Horns' have power
for 3.5 "days", and 3.5 "watches of the night" ?

I also know the "Abomination" lasts 2300 literal days.
In fact the Bible teaches the Saints are within the
"Abomination of Desolation" for 2300 literal days.

This is incorrect.

The "Abomination" is one thing, cleansing the sanctuary is
another, and is done after the "Abomination". It takes two
thousand and three hundred days to cleanse the sanctuary.

"And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days;
then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Daniel 8:14 (KJV)

What is the sanctuary that needed cleaning, and what was the
Abomination that defiled the temple/sanctuary? The Abomination
did not last 2300 days. 2300 evening and mornings would be 1150
days to clean sanctuary. A time is not used for this number.

The word "sacrifices" is added, we are the temple/church today.
The "daily" was taken away, what is this Daily talked about?

I am an expert on eschatology I know

And yet you do not understand there is 2 "Abomination of
Desolation" spoken of in the bible, one past one future.
Or how to figure a "time"

In Daniel 12 an end-time Antiochus violently shatters the power
of the holy people. But in Daniel 8, he subtly comes to the
temple with flatteries.

In One the daily is taken away because of transgression, the other a
“daily” taken away because of righteousness—to the place of safety.

The first one in Daniel 8-11,24 this -happened around 167 b.c..
See posts #45, 46, 49, 56, 58, on this thread.

That's not bragging, everything I know I was given.

Lucky you.
Everything I know is from reading/studying Gods Word, the bible.
He speaks to me in His words, and I speak to Him in prayer.

Back to "times", Why not a solar year? Or a year of 3651/4 days?

A 42 calendar month, according to the calendar now in use,
would not be 1,260 days, but 1,276 days—and, if a leap year
occurred, 1,277. Or, if the extra half-year happened to be
the last half of the year, it would be 1,280 or 1,281 days.

Back then Gods calendal, a year was figured on a basis of
twelve 30-day months. Why ? Notice Gen. 7:11, Gen. 8:3-4:

The flood started on the 17th day of the second month.
At the end of 150 days, the ark rested on Mount Ararat,
on the 17th day of the 7th month. That was five months
to the day. Five 30-day months was precisely 150 days.

We find it definitely figured this way in both Daniel and Rev.

In Revelation 12:6,“a thousand two hundred and threescore days.”
In Revelation 13:5 (referring to a different event but the same
amount of time) is spoken of as “forty and two months.”
Daniel 12:7 the same expression “time, times, and an half [time]”.

The same amount of days is spoken of in Revelation 12:14 as “a time,
and times, and half a time.” The “time” is one prophetic year; the
“times” is two more prophetic years; and the whole expression is 3 1/2
prophetic “times,” a literal 1,260 days—or 31/2 years of 30-day months.

For your information, and others interested in this subject.

 

[Semper-Fi]

That particular search should have netted only one result, that being 5thKingdom's website where he posted this. I don't know what you mean by a bunch of pictures?

I searched what you gave, I must have searched microsoft bing instead.

 

[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
Yes, I know the 3.5 "times" = the 3.5 "days" = the
3.5 years [42 mos] = the 3.5 "watches of the night"

Not sure if the 3.5 "days", or the 3.5 "watches of the night"
is calculated using "a time" anywhere. But in prophecy a “time”
is "a prophetic 360-day year" for your information and [others].

Good for you... you are correct about that.

Now... you have a PROBLEM:
The 3.5 "times" is talking about the SAME PERIOD
as the 3.5 "days"... clearly 3.5 years does NOT match 3.5 days.

And the 3.5 "times" also represents the "42 months"...
which IS 3.5 YEARS

But the 3/5 "times" also represents the 3.5 "watches of the night"...
which is considerably LONGER than 3.5 years

YOU SEE...
In order to pretend we have found Biblical Truth we must be able
to HARMONIZE ALL RELATED VERSES.
And you have not.

Moreover, the Bible teaches the FIRST PART of this period last 2300 days (literally "evenings/mornings")
which represents 6.4 years BEFORE the "Sanctuary is cleansed" (which requires additional time)

In order to find the DURATION of the Great Tribulation/Revelation Beast
we need to harmonize ALL of these passages.

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[Semper-Fi]

p.s.
We also have "a year for a day" principle in the bible. God punished
that generation of Israelites Moses had led out of Egypt by with-
holding from them entry into the Promised Land for forty years.

God punished them on the principle of a year for every day—40 years’
duration of punishment for the 40 days of transgression.

We also have “ a day-for-a-year principle” in Ezekiel 4.
"I have appointed thee each day for a year”. God reversed
the actual application of the principle. Ezekiel was required
to bear Israel’s sins a day for each year they had sinned.

Leviticus 26 we have “seven times”—or seven prophetic “times”.

"And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I
will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.

“And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me,
then I will punish you seven times more for your sins”.

It is defined as “seven times,” and also as “sevenfold.”
Like in Daniel 3:19, the fire was made seven times hotter.

On this “year-for-a-day principle,” it becomes seven 360-day
years—a total of 2,520 days. And when each day is a year of
punishment—in this case, as in Numbers 14:34, a withholding of
a promised blessing—the punishment becomes the withdrawing of
and withholding the promised blessings for 2,520 years.

 

[5thKingdom]

You see there are OTHER passages that indicate
the Ten "Kings/Horns' have power for

3.5 "times"
3.5 "days"
3.5 years [42 mos]
3.5 "watches of the night"

Those are not all the same events.
Where does the bible say the Ten "Kings/Horns' have power
for 3.5 "days", and 3.5 "watches of the night" ?

LOL... yes they are.

WHY in the world would you ever say they are not the same event
when you cannot DEFINE what any of those events represents.

That is like you not understanding the definition of a word
and yet pretending you can offer an "informed opinion" on it's MEANING
You are embarrassing yourself.


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[5thKingdom]

p.s.
We also have "a year for a day" principle in the bible. God punished
that generation of Israelites Moses had led out of Egypt by with-
holding from them entry into the Promised Land for forty years.

That is not the POINT.

The EVENT shown is the Great Tribulation
the DURATION of that event is shown as different periods

You must HARMONIZE all those passages
BEFORE you can pretend to understand anything

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[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
I also know the "Abomination" lasts 2300 literal days.
In fact the Bible teaches the Saints are within the
"Abomination of Desolation" for 2300 literal days.

This is incorrect.

The "Abomination" is one thing, cleansing the sanctuary is
another, and is done after the "Abomination". It takes two
thousand and three hundred days to cleanse the sanctuary.

But that is exactly what I said.

Sigh... please READ my words for comprehension
before you go off half-cocked to dispute

The AOD lasts for 2300 days (much more than 3.5 years)
THEN (after the AOD is finished) there is an additional time
when the "Sanctuary is cleansed"

So ANYONE claiming the Great Tribulation Kingdom lasts LESS than 2300 days
is contradicting CLEAR Scripture


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[Semper-Fi]

That is not the POINT.

Last post was not posted to you, nor for your benefit.

 

[5thKingdom]

5thKingdom said:
I am an expert on eschatology I know


And yet you do not understand there is 2 "Abomination of
Desolation" spoken of in the bible, one past one future.
Or how to figure a "time"


Sigh...
the first was a "shadow" or "type" of the REAL AOD
which does not happen until the Fourth Kingdom.

WHAT IN THE WORLD do you think

(1) accusing me of not understanding when I do accomplishes
other than to make you look stupid

(2) noting the "shadow" or "type" that has NOTHING to do with the ACTUAL
accomplishes... other than to make you look stupid

We are NOT talking about the "shadow".. we are talking about the ACTUAL
try to focus and stay on point


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[Semper-Fi]

5thKingdom said:
I also know the "Abomination" lasts 2300 literal days.
In fact the Bible teaches the Saints are within the
"Abomination of Desolation" for 2300 literal days.

How can the temple/sanctuary be cleansed taking 2300 literal days to do so.
When the "Abomination of Desolation" that defiled it, is still in the sanctuary.
And the defiled saints are the ones cleansing the sanctuary? not happening.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

LOL... the only one ON THIS FORUM

Or do you pretend this forum includes ALL THE SAINTS
Are you really that simple?

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Right or wrong, thank you for the diligent attention to the word. Don't worry about the detractors, I think when we go to be with the Lord everyone will go to Bible school and we will all be humbled. We all need to be open to instruction. I know I do! I cannot count the times I have been corrected in the last 52 years. Praise the Lord.